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Kiwi

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Murderer wins right to be father
« on: December 05, 2007, 07:35:35 PM »
In this news link a murderer has won the right to father a child. I am dead against even the thought of this monster producing little monsters.  >:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/humber/7128145.stm
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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 08:23:27 PM »
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 05, 2007, 07:35:35 PM
I am dead against even the thought of this monster producing little monsters.  >:(

I don't think that's a fair statement. His children may be very good people.

That isn't the point. The issue is murderers should be treated like the beasts they are. They should not have the joy of having children.
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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 09:05:54 PM »
it depends by what you mean by murderer...Look at Yigal Amir..Is he a murderer that deserves to have children? I think so...But Charles Manson or some evil beast? No...
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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2007, 09:12:18 PM »
it depends by what you mean by murderer...Look at Yigal Amir..Is he a murderer that deserves to have children? I think so...But Charles Manson or some evil beast? No...
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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2007, 09:13:07 PM »
actually now that i think about it..i retract what i said...for those beasts, they can procreate, but cannot keep the kids..have to give it up for adoption.
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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 09:23:42 PM »
Murder is an unlawful act. I can't see how anyone can support breaking the law.

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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 09:29:33 PM »
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 09:13:07 PM
actually now that i think about it..i retract what i said...for those beasts, they can procreate, but cannot keep the kids..have to give it up for adoption.
This, I agree with.  It is a mitzvah to have children...

Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 09:12:18 PM
it depends by what you mean by murderer...Look at Yigal Amir..Is he a murderer that deserves to have children? I think so...But Charles Manson or some evil beast? No...
Yigal Amir is not a murderer...
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Re: Murderer wins right to be father
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 10:41:52 PM »
Quote from: OdKahaneChai on December 05, 2007, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 09:13:07 PM
actually now that i think about it..i retract what i said...for those beasts, they can procreate, but cannot keep the kids..have to give it up for adoption.
This, I agree with.  It is a mitzvah to have children...

Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 09:12:18 PM
it depends by what you mean by murderer...Look at Yigal Amir..Is he a murderer that deserves to have children? I think so...But Charles Manson or some evil beast? No...
Yigal Amir is not a murderer...


To us he isn't..but to others he is...So if we were to lay down the law that murderers could not have kids, then what if, Gd forbid, the other side ruled and forbade a hero that they considered a murderer to not be allowed to have kids?  If you notice, Torah rules take these things into consideration and it's fascinating how the Rabbis back in the day think.

So I will go with that murderers should be allowed to make kids, but should not be allowed to keep them and have to give them away for adoption...
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