Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.

[Boeregeneraal]

400BC ! Wow!!!!! Way before the crusades! In fact, i can barely believe it! Something doesn't sound right?

[newman]

'Kelts' comes from the greek word 'keltoi' meaning strangers. History records many people being described as 'kelts' but they are not neccessarily the people who we refer to as kelts today.

[Dexter]

When people says something is Nazi they mean it's evil and racist.
*The colonialists killed hunderds of millions of people.
*I don't think people actually care if they would have a shower in a 200 milion people's lives.
*The thought they are supreme of the natives.
*They thought they have better culture.

The colonialists were evil.

[newman]

When people says something is Nazi they mean it's evil and racist.
*The colonialists killed hunderds of millions of people.
*I don't think people actually care if they would have a shower in a 200 milion people's lives.
*The thought they are supreme of the natives.
*They thought they have better culture.

The colonialists were evil.

*They did not kill "hunderds of millions of people". There weren't that many people in the new world.
* They and their culture were superior to that of the natives. People who can cross oceans, make magnetic compasses and build universities and keep written records are superior to those who exist for thousands of years and cannot invent a wheel.

[Dexter]

When people says something is Nazi they mean it's evil and racist.
*The colonialists killed hunderds of millions of people.
*I don't think people actually care if they would have a shower in a 200 milion people's lives.
*The thought they are supreme of the natives.
*They thought they have better culture.

The colonialists were evil.

*They did not kill "hunderds of millions of people". There weren't that many people in the new world.
* They and their culture were superior to that of the natives. People who can cross oceans, make magnetic compasses and build universities and keep written records are superior to those who exist for thousands of years and cannot invent a wheel.

*They killed 200 milions natives in America only. They also killed Milions of black slaves.
*The Indians were much more advenced in their Astronomy and sometimes they were more advenced in their way of building. The Chinese were much more advenced than the Europeans than and they even got America befor tham. They didn't had superior to that of the natives. Because superior culture suppose to be much more moral than the infrior one, well, the European culture than was evil and arrogant while the Native wasn't.

[Dexter]

Really, I can't believe you actually justify the horrible things that Colonialist did.

[newman]

Really, I can't believe you actually justify the horrible things that Colonialist did.

I'm not justifying it. I'm saying it's a fact of life and human developement. No people on Earth are the original inhabitants of their land. Hebrews displaced caananites, Kelts displaced neanderthals. Even the Australian aborigines of today displaced a previous race who lived in Australia before them.

EVERYBODY ON EARTH HAS DISPLACED SOMEBODY ELSE.

Nobody can expect to remain primitive and not be conquered. It's reality. Get used to it.

[Dexter]

The case with the Hebrews is diffrent because the caananites marged with the Hebrews.
Besides, is your morality is 2000 years old morallity ?

[Ambiorix]

Really, I can't believe you actually justify the horrible things that Colonialist did.

I'm not justifying it. I'm saying it's a fact of life and human developement. No people on Earth are the original inhabitants of their land. Hebrews displaced caananites, Kelts displaced neanderthals. Even the Australian aborigines of today displaced a previous race who lived in Australia before them.

EVERYBODY ON EARTH HAS DISPLACED SOMEBODY ELSE.

Nobody can expect to remain primitive and not be conquered. It's reality. Get used to it.

Voilà. Can we now cut the P.C.-crap please?

The Indians had temples were they offered thousands of people by pulling out their - still beating - hearths.
Do you call that a righteous culture?? No, it was also Nazi-barbarity.

[Ambiorix]

The case with the Hebrews is diffrent because the caananites marged with the Hebrews.
Besides, is your morality is 2000 years old morallity ?

marged? what do you mean?

[Ambiorix]

Newman's morality is Kahanist real thinking.
Look at Kahane's videos.
He says just the same about the arabs.
"I am the only Israeli that respects the arabs.
 How can an arab be an Israeli citizen, if he sings..."

He was right: Israel must expel all arabs.
Don't you agree , Dexter?

[Dexter]

The case with the Hebrews is diffrent because the caananites marged with the Hebrews.
Besides, is your morality is 2000 years old morallity ?

marged? what do you mean?

The Cnaanites mixed with Hebrews until there was no diffrent between them and Hebrews. Sometimes the Hebrews converted whole people to Judaism and than mixed with them.

He was right: Israel must expel all arabs.
Don't you agree , Dexter?

I don't think expeling the Arabs is rational thing. I support this:
http://www.hayozma.org/Default.aspx?lng=Eng

[newman]

The case with the Hebrews is diffrent because the caananites marged with the Hebrews.
Besides, is your morality is 2000 years old morallity ?

They didn't merge. There's no trace of them or their culture or their religion.
Yet, Indians and aborigines have merged with europeans but maintained their culture and religion. So The Jews are worse than europeans according to your own reasoning.

The British colonists were far kinder than any previous empire. Compare British rule to that of the Romans, Turks, Greeks or Egyptians.

[Dexter]

The case with the Hebrews is diffrent because the caananites marged with the Hebrews.
Besides, is your morality is 2000 years old morallity ?

They didn't merge. There's no trace of them or their culture or their religion.
Yet, Indians and aborigines have merged with europeans but maintained their culture and religion. So The Jews are worse than europeans according to your own reasoning.

The British colonists were far kinder than any previous empire. Compare British rule to that of the Romans, Turks, Greeks or Egyptians.

They did marged. The Hebrews didn't destroyed the Cna'anites but converted them to Judaism and marged we tham. Many words in Hebrew are of the Cna'anite god's names : EL (G-d (in general)), SHACHAR (Sunrise) etc'.

It's so not reasnoble to compare empires of the 18th century AD to those of the 1 century BCE. The Europeans were'nt kinder than the empires you mantion. The Greeks mostly gave you religiouse freedom, the Romans too. The Turks and the Egyptians were much better than the French and the British.

[newman]

The case with the Hebrews is diffrent because the caananites marged with the Hebrews.
Besides, is your morality is 2000 years old morallity ?

They didn't merge. There's no trace of them or their culture or their religion.
Yet, Indians and aborigines have merged with europeans but maintained their culture and religion. So The Jews are worse than europeans according to your own reasoning.

The British colonists were far kinder than any previous empire. Compare British rule to that of the Romans, Turks, Greeks or Egyptians.

They did marged. The Hebrews didn't destroyed the Cna'anites but converted them to Judaism and marged we tham. Many words in Hebrew are of the Cna'anite G-d's names : EL (G-d (in general)), SHACHAR (Sunrise) etc'.

It's so not reasnoble to compare empires of the 18th century AD to those of the 1 century BCE. The Europeans were'nt kinder than the empires you mantion. The Greeks mostly gave you religiouse freedom, the Romans too. The Turks and the Egyptians were much better than the French and the British.

Rubbish!

Even black academics acknowledge that the British empire was 10 times more benevolent than ANY of the older empires. Britain provided infrastructure, education and medical fascilities the apes NEVER had.

Need I remind you that Britain gave up it's colonies volluntarily. They were never defeated militarily.

Name ONE ancient empire that gave up a colony of it's own accord.

[Dexter]

Again, you CAN'T COMPARE EMPIRES THAT HAVE 2000 YEARS DIFFRENCES.
The Romans didn't murderd 200 milion people. When they took land they make one of the natives as a king and gave the natives their living space for them to serve in the Roman army (10 years). The British may built good stratcture, the Romans, Greeks, Turks, Egyptian (etc'..) too and the Romans/Greeks gave all the people who lived in their empires the same rights as everyone else have. At least in most cases.

The fact that the British gave up their colonies volluntarily was because the British had a really hard loss in the WWII and if they wouldn't give up their colonies their country will collepse economiclly. Furthermore, the fact that they gave up their colonies is compared to that the Germans gave Israel money for the Holocaust. The French murderd half a milion Arabs in 1956 when they didn't want to retreat Algiria.

[Kiwi]

The colonialists were evil.

Evil, bad nasty people grrrrrrrr, bringing civilized life to apes. 

[newman]

Again, you CAN'T COMPARE EMPIRES THAT HAVE 2000 YEARS DIFFRENCES.
The Romans didn't murderd 200 milion people. When they took land they make one of the natives as a king and gave the natives their living space for them to serve in the Roman army (10 years). The British may built good stratcture, the Romans, Greeks, Turks, Egyptian (etc'..) too and the Romans/Greeks gave all the people who lived in their empires the same rights as everyone else have. At least in most cases.

The fact that the British gave up their colonies volluntarily was because the British had a really hard loss in the WWII and if they wouldn't give up their colonies their country will collepse economiclly. Furthermore, the fact that they gave up their colonies is compared to that the Germans gave Israel money for the Holocaust. The French murderd half a milion Arabs in 1956 when they didn't want to retreat Algiria.

When did the Brits or any europeans murder 200 million people???

Romans gave people equal rights??

Britain made money from it's colonies. It was in it's economic interest to keep them, not give them up!

Dexter, you're being brainwashed with leftist crap.

[Husar]

When people says something is Nazi they mean it's evil and racist.
*The colonialists killed hunderds of millions of people.
*I don't think people actually care if they would have a shower in a 200 milion people's lives.
*The thought they are supreme of the natives.
*They thought they have better culture.

The colonialists were evil.

*They did not kill "hunderds of millions of people". There weren't that many people in the new world.
* They and their culture were superior to that of the natives. People who can cross oceans, make magnetic compasses and build universities and keep written records are superior to those who exist for thousands of years and cannot invent a wheel.

*They killed 200 milions natives in America only. They also killed Milions of black slaves.
*The Indians were much more advenced in their Astronomy and sometimes they were more advenced in their way of building. The Chinese were much more advenced than the Europeans than and they even got America befor tham. They didn't had superior to that of the natives. Because superior culture suppose to be much more moral than the infrior one, well, the European culture than was evil and arrogant while the Native wasn't.

I agree.

[newman]

When people says something is Nazi they mean it's evil and racist.
*The colonialists killed hunderds of millions of people.
*I don't think people actually care if they would have a shower in a 200 milion people's lives.
*The thought they are supreme of the natives.
*They thought they have better culture.

The colonialists were evil.

*They did not kill "hunderds of millions of people". There weren't that many people in the new world.
* They and their culture were superior to that of the natives. People who can cross oceans, make magnetic compasses and build universities and keep written records are superior to those who exist for thousands of years and cannot invent a wheel.

*They killed 200 milions natives in America only. They also killed Milions of black slaves.
*The Indians were much more advenced in their Astronomy and sometimes they were more advenced in their way of building. The Chinese were much more advenced than the Europeans than and they even got America befor tham. They didn't had superior to that of the natives. Because superior culture suppose to be much more moral than the infrior one, well, the European culture than was evil and arrogant while the Native wasn't.

I agree.

There were NEVER anywhere near 200 million souls in the Americas before European settlement!

As for killing that many..............do you have any idea how many soldiers it would take to kill 200 million people in the pre-industrial age? Euope didn't have the manpower toi kill 200 million!!!!!!

What absolute leftist BS you're spouting!

[dhimmi_pride]

Need I remind you that Britain gave up it's colonies voluntarily. They were never defeated militarily.

Really? Need I remind you of the American War of Independence newman??? The IRA in Ireland and the Irgun in Israel also come to mind. The Boers were able to fight and gain independence at various periods and Rhodesia was not given up it seceded against Britains will. Its colonies in Africa were given up voluntarily but the independence movements and military actions against the British there were also big factors, they knew it was not feasible for them to remain ahold of them and they generally left rather than stay and fight.

[Dexter]

Again, you CAN'T COMPARE EMPIRES THAT HAVE 2000 YEARS DIFFRENCES.
The Romans didn't murderd 200 milion people. When they took land they make one of the natives as a king and gave the natives their living space for them to serve in the Roman army (10 years). The British may built good stratcture, the Romans, Greeks, Turks, Egyptian (etc'..) too and the Romans/Greeks gave all the people who lived in their empires the same rights as everyone else have. At least in most cases.

The fact that the British gave up their colonies volluntarily was because the British had a really hard loss in the WWII and if they wouldn't give up their colonies their country will collepse economiclly. Furthermore, the fact that they gave up their colonies is compared to that the Germans gave Israel money for the Holocaust. The French murderd half a milion Arabs in 1956 when they didn't want to retreat Algiria.

When did the Brits or any europeans murder 200 million people???

Romans gave people equal rights??

Britain made money from it's colonies. It was in it's economic interest to keep them, not give them up!

Dexter, you're being brainwashed with leftist crap.

In America and Africa they killed 200 milions of people. The colonies may gave money but it also needed money to feed the people who lived there, build buildings, recover what has being destroyed by the Nazis at the WWII etc'.
The Romans gave every man or woman who lived in their empire a Roman citizenship and equal right. You should know that.

Oh, and newman, not everyone that doesn't agree with you is leftist, OK? You should understand European were evil and if you deny this than you are deluded.

As for killing that many..............do you have any idea how many soldiers it would take to kill 200 million people in the pre-industrial age? Euope didn't have the manpower toi kill 200 million!!!!!!

It wasn't by the Army but by independed white men and the Army.

[Dexter]

Yes it wasn't only the British who killed 200 milions. The # of killes by the British + the # of killes by French + The # of killes by spain is 200 millions less or more.

[newman]

Need I remind you that Britain gave up it's colonies voluntarily. They were never defeated militarily.

Really? Need I remind you of the American War of Independence newman??? The IRA in Ireland and the Irgun in Israel also come to mind. The Boers were able to fight and gain independence at various periods and Rhodesia was not given up it seceded against Britains will. Its colonies in Africa were given up voluntarily but the independence movements and military actions against the British there were also big factors, they knew it was not feasible for them to remain ahold of them and they generally left rather than stay and fight.

Thats two out of two thirds of the globe!

Resistance movements all failed against the British. Name one post war colony where Brits suffered heavy losses. There are none.

[dhimmi_pride]

When people says something is Nazi they mean it's evil and racist.
*The colonialists killed hunderds of millions of people.
*I don't think people actually care if they would have a shower in a 200 milion people's lives.
*The thought they are supreme of the natives.
*They thought they have better culture.

The colonialists were evil.

*They did not kill "hunderds of millions of people". There weren't that many people in the new world.
* They and their culture were superior to that of the natives. People who can cross oceans, make magnetic compasses and build universities and keep written records are superior to those who exist for thousands of years and cannot invent a wheel.

*They killed 200 milions natives in America only. They also killed Milions of black slaves.
*The Indians were much more advenced in their Astronomy and sometimes they were more advenced in their way of building. The Chinese were much more advenced than the Europeans than and they even got America befor tham. They didn't had superior to that of the natives. Because superior culture suppose to be much more moral than the infrior one, well, the European culture than was evil and arrogant while the Native wasn't.

I agree.

There were NEVER anywhere near 200 million souls in the Americas before European settlement!

As for killing that many..............do you have any idea how many soldiers it would take to kill 200 million people in the pre-industrial age? Euope didn't have the manpower toi kill 200 million!!!!!!

What absolute leftist BS you're spouting!

I agree with Newman. There are only 300 million people in America NOW! There were never that many natives. Although horrific things were certainly done to them. But they weren't always conquered by alot of violence. Read Broken Spears the Aztec acount of the Spanish colonialists arriving. It was amazing how easy, how few men, and how little violence it took to conquer them. When the spanish  first arrived on horses the natives thought they were monsters. But Aztecs soon made allies with them against their other enemies and were able to conquer pretty quickly.

Slaves were also considered valuable property. They weren't cheap and most people could not afford them. Why would someone kill a person they paid lots of money to buy?