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Israel has a surprising friend in Poland
EagleEye:
That is because the West was more secular than the East (until Communism). But where did secularism get the Jews? Nazism had secular roots! The only difference between the East and the West is that the East was honest about how they felt about Jews, and the West lied until it finally murdered them (and the primary blame for the murders indeed is on the West).
newman:
--- Quote from: EagleEye on December 07, 2007, 10:11:30 AM ---That is because the West was more secular than the East (until Communism). But where did secularism get the Jews? Nazism had secular roots! The only difference between the East and the West is that the East was honest about how they felt about Jews, and the West lied until it finally murdered them (and the primary blame for the murders indeed is on the West).
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No it's with germany. Not England, France, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Switzerland, Ireland, Sweden or Norway. Pogroms happened in the east.....NOT the west9except germany). ALL of eastern europe are much worse Jew-haters than the west. Any book of Jewish history will tell you that. The west were not significantly less religious than the east until the post-war period.
Ultra Requete:
--- Quote from: newman on December 07, 2007, 10:18:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: EagleEye on December 07, 2007, 10:11:30 AM ---That is because the West was more secular than the East (until Communism). But where did secularism get the Jews? Nazism had secular roots! The only difference between the East and the West is that the East was honest about how they felt about Jews, and the West lied until it finally murdered them (and the primary blame for the murders indeed is on the West).
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No it's with germany. Not England, France, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Switzerland, Ireland, Sweden or Norway. Pogroms happened in the east.....NOT the west9except germany). ALL of eastern europe are much worse Jew-haters than the west. Any book of Jewish history will tell you that. The west were not significantly less religious than the east until the post-war period.
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Are you taking about pre XVIII century Western Europe where jews were repetidly kicked out from Scotland, England, France, Spain and Portugal and there were constant pogroms and only country where Jews were welcomed was Polish-Lituanian Comonwealth with 80% of all European Jews living there in XVI century? or about the period since the 1795 to 1918 when Poland was under German, Austrian and Russian ocupation and the pogroms were organised by Tsarist Russian goverment becouse the Jews suported Polish uprising and were wieved just as Poles as agents of the west. Or Between 1918-1939 where 3 milions of Polish Jews were living as full righted citisens and zionists Betar movement was armed by Polish Govermnt; Not to speaking about 80 thousend Jews who faught in Polish Army including M. Begin. The Myth of Polish Antisemitism as greatest in Europe was coined after Yalta, where the US and UK sold us to Stalin, that why the Kielce pogrom was orchestrated by NKWD to show the Poles as rabid Jew Eaters so the west was absolved of guilt for treason and everybody was happy.
EagleEye:
--- Quote ---that why the Kielce pogrom was orchestrated by NKWD to show the Poles as rabid Jew Eaters so the west was absolved of guilt for treason and everybody was happy.
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This is another topic I am interested in researching, the Kielce event. Many Poles suggest that the Soviets purposely fed the Polish people propaganda, for the purpose of discrediting their nationalism. IE, the Soviets wanted power, so they were willing to lose a few Jews to gain it. The thing is that the Communist Government destroyed all of its research in 1989. To me, this makes it look like they had something to hide, but I'll admit that I can't say with 100% certainty whether the Soviets purposely did this or not.
Ultra Requete:
--- Quote from: EagleEye on December 09, 2007, 04:39:45 PM ---
--- Quote ---that why the Kielce pogrom was orchestrated by NKWD to show the Poles as rabid Jew Eaters so the west was absolved of guilt for treason and everybody was happy.
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This is another topic I am interested in researching, the Kielce event. Many Poles suggest that the Soviets purposely fed the Polish people propaganda, for the purpose of discrediting their nationalism. IE, the Soviets wanted power, so they were willing to lose a few Jews to gain it. The thing is that the Communist Government destroyed all of its research in 1989. To me, this makes it look like they had something to hide.
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The Stalin and Soviets were good in divide and rule and all this misinformation buisness, and they were purposly instaling the few comunists with jewish ancestry in key party or secret police positions in conquered countries to bolster the antisemitism while simuntanisly persecuting Jewish zionists in USSR, in Poland those "Jews" with sometimes thin conection tojudaism or jewish culture were purged from the MBP (ministry of public security) from 1956 and ultimetly from expeled from the communist party in 1967 for mainly for charges of zionism.
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