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The Midianites and The Kenites
« on: December 17, 2007, 09:56:41 PM »
Chaim mentioned The Midianites on this week's Ask JTF. Originally, didn't they all convert to Judaism under Jethro, Moses's father in law? Are they the same as The Kenites? Yael in The Book of Judges was a Kenite but she was Jewish because they all converted. When did they convert?

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Re: The Midianites and The Kenites
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 02:36:13 PM »
I think it was only Yitro [Jethro] that converted, otherwise there is no reason they would open a war against the Jewish tribes (or kingdom, I am not sure).
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Re: The Midianites and The Kenites
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 05:23:13 PM »
Dexter is right, Yitro and his family converted, but not his nation.
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Re: The Midianites and The Kenites
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 07:28:40 AM »
Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on December 26, 2007, 08:04:18 PM
Then who are The Kenites? Yael in The Book of Judges was a Kenite but she was Jewish because they all converted. When did they convert?


Only part of the Kenites converted, as Atniel the Kenite, a bit befor the destruction of Amalek. Befor Shaul destroyed Amalek he asked the Kenites to be seperate of Amalek, befor that they were connected to tham.

Yael wasn't Jewish as far as I know...
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Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

"When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one... When you gaze into the abyss, it also gazes into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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