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Ron Paul on Israel
« on: December 19, 2007, 01:00:20 AM »


He said that Israel is better without US foreign aid and that Israel can destroy the terrorists without America. And he says that we shouldn't hold Israel back from doing anything.

I like what he says about Israel in this clip but this guy is a lunatic...

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 01:09:45 AM »
I have been typing this for a bit... glad maybe more of you will believe me when i say that i really do think that RP is a good choice for you guys to support.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 01:22:08 AM »
Blaming our offense on terror for the reason they want to attack us is absurd. Ron is a nut.

And on that clip he seems pro Israel. But other speeches I didn't get that impression.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2007, 01:29:55 AM »
I just don't trust Paul at all.
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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 01:31:56 AM »
He is saying basically the same thing that he has been saying in all of his speeches.  Now he may disagree as to why, but does the reason he thinks they attack really matter or is it more important that he is advocating the same thing as you are.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 01:33:11 AM »
Blaming our offense on terror for the reason they want to attack us is absurd. Ron is a nut.

Obviously our foreign policy is one reason the terrorists want to attack us. But it is not the only reason as Ron Paul would have you believe. He is dangerously naive about the world we live in.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 01:39:30 AM »
Ron Paul called Israel the terrorist in the Israel-Lebanon conflict.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2007, 01:50:51 AM »
Ron Paul called Israel the terrorist in the Israel-Lebanon conflict.

Doesn't shock me.


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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 01:51:52 AM »
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    I rise in opposition to this resolution, which I sincerely believe will do more harm than good.

    I do agree with the resolution's condemnation of violence. But I am convinced that when we get involved in foreign conflicts and send strong messages, such as this resolution will, it ends up expanding the war rather than diminishing the conflict, and that ultimately comes back to haunt us.

    Mr. Speaker, I follow a policy in foreign affairs called non-interventionism. I do not believe we are making the United States more secure when we involve ourselves in conflicts overseas. The Constitution really doesn't authorize us to be the policemen of the world, much less to favor one side over another in foreign conflicts. It is very clear, reading this resolution objectively, that all the terrorists are on one side and all the victims and the innocents are on the other side. I find this unfair, particularly considering the significantly higher number of civilian casualties among Lebanese civilians. I would rather advocate neutrality rather than picking sides, which is what this resolution does.

I believe that this is the statement that you are referring to.  In this statement he makes the comment "It is very clear, reading this resolution objectively, that all the terrorists are on one side and all the victims and the innocents are on the other side. I find this unfair, particularly considering the significantly higher number of civilian casualties among Lebanese civilians. I would rather advocate neutrality rather than picking sides, which is what this resolution does." which i believe is the part that you have a problem with.  What this says is that Israel is not the victim like they are made out to be in the resolution and that the blame for the scope of the conflict lies on both sides.

Before this he reaffirms the notion that it is not the US's place to get involved and that we should let Israel and Lebanon work it out on their own.  How is this something that you don't want.  Do you want the US telling you what you should be doing like a parent?  How are you in control of your own country when you are forced into this kind of UN resolution.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 01:52:36 AM »
If Ron Paul were president, G-d forbid, the Muslim terrorists would attack America FAR MORE because Muslims always attack when they sense weakness and cowardice. And Paul's policies of appeasement would be justifiably interpreted by the Muslim Nazis as weakness and cowardice.

The current American policies that cause Muslim terrorism are the policies of weakness. Paul would make America's response to the Islamonazis even weaker, in fact much weaker. This would guarantee massive Islamic terrorism. The Muslims want to conquer the world and will NOT stop if we ignore them. The opposite is true: they will take advantage of any American decision to pretend that we can coexist in a world where Muslim terrorist nations are accumulating trillions of petrodollars, sponsoring terrorism and genocide, and building nuclear weapons for the express purpose of annihilating millions of Christian and Jewish "infidels".

The imbecile Paul and his moronic zombie supporters know NOTHING about Islam or Muslims or Arabs. And many of his supporters are literally rooting for the Muslim terrorists because they hate America (many Paul supporters are anti-American and anti-Christian anarchists) and because they hate little Israel (most Paul supporters are Jew-haters, and many are outright Nazis).

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2007, 02:04:44 AM »
If Ron Paul were president, G-d forbid, the Muslim terrorists would attack America FAR MORE because Muslims always attack when they sense weakness and cowardice. And Paul's policies of appeasement would be justifiably interpreted by the Muslim Nazis as weakness and cowardice.

100% CORRECT.

They will view us as weak and attempt to destroy us.

"Secular Zionism is racism. Religious Zionism is Judaism."
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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2007, 02:11:04 AM »
I saw him on Glenn Beck Tonight and he is saying that if we (The United States) leave the Middle East then the Muslims won't attack us again. And Glenn Beck said that it is the goal of the Muslims to implement Sharia Law in the United States and Europe and Ron Paul basically denied that they want Sharia. Only a Self Hating Jew would vote for Ron Paul. And for Gentiles only someone who hates this country would support this scum.
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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2007, 02:15:45 AM »
Re:  "...called Israel the terrorist in the Israel-Lebanon conflict..."

Thats GOOD!

I wish all the enemies of the Jews to be completely TERRIFIED of us.

That is the only thing Muzzie maniacs understand.

Peace with the Islamic world means subjecting them to such overwhelming and crushing brutality that they cower in fear and are afraid to let the sun shine on them.

That Israeli General with a patch over one eye who wrought fear and terror into the hearts of Israel's enemies!...that face of his was one macabre and unforgettable sight.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2007, 11:47:24 AM »
If Ron Paul were president, G-d forbid, the Muslim terrorists would attack America FAR MORE because Muslims always attack when they sense weakness and cowardice. And Paul's policies of appeasement would be justifiably interpreted by the Muslim Nazis as weakness and cowardice.

100% CORRECT.

They will view us as weak and attempt to destroy us.

Agreed

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2007, 04:46:30 PM »
 If Ron Paul's "Boston Tea Party" ideas of dumping the IRS, Patriot Act, NAFTA, CIA, Iraq War, Federal Reserve, North American Union etc etc and "Big Nanny" government in general take hold of the country by then, there could be a mass rebellious "Can't pay, won't pay, won't obey" attitude in the country.

It might even spread abroad!

I fear for Dr Ron Paul's life!


 

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2007, 05:55:47 PM »
I do not believe Ron Paul is pro Israel at all. I do not trust him.
As an Independent, Tempermental, Fundamental, right-wing,
radical, Baptist, I'll tell you why.

Ron Paul (who claims to be a Christian himself, but I'm not so
sure about that) bashed Mike Huckabee's Christmas message
comparing Christianity to fascism. He basically said,

"When fascism comes, it’ll come bearing a cross".

Ron Paul on Huck’s Christmas ad


Now, I don't know about you, but as a Christian Zionist I
find his comment very, very, offensive. America has been
moving rapidly away from G-d and towards sin, and this
bonehead has the nerve to attack attempts to bring back
Judeo-Christian values to America? There's filth all over TV,
and Paul criticizes something the Founding Fathers honoured.

Ronald Reagan said in 1984, "America needs G-d more than
G-d needs America. If we ever forget that we are One Nation
Under G-d, then we will be a Nation gone under."

I can't see a real Christian saying what Ron Paul did, and so this
leads me to believe he does not believe the Bible when it tells us
we should be for Israel and the Jewish people.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2007, 06:03:36 PM »
I do not believe Ron Paul is pro Israel at all. I do not trust him.
As an Independent, Tempermental, Fundamental, right-wing,
radical, Baptist, I'll tell you why.

Ron Paul (who claims to be a Christian himself, but I'm not so
sure about that) bashed Mike Huckabee's Christmas message
comparing Christianity to fascism. He basically said,

"When fascism comes, it’ll come bearing a cross".

Ron Paul on Huck’s Christmas ad


Now, I don't know about you, but as a Christian Zionist I
find his comment very, very, offensive. America has been
moving rapidly away from G-d and towards sin, and this
bonehead has the nerve to attack attempts to bring back
Judeo-Christian values to America? There's filth all over TV,
and Paul criticizes something the Founding Fathers honoured.

Ronald Reagan said in 1984, "America needs G-d more than
G-d needs America. If we ever forget that we are One Nation
Under G-d, then we will be a Nation gone under."

I can't see a real Christian saying what Ron Paul did, and so this
leads me to believe he does not believe the Bible when it tells us
we should be for Israel and the Jewish people.



Weren't most of the founding fathers secular free masons? I thought they were escaping religious persecution from Europe. Also in regards to the pledge, I don't think the original pledge had the words "One nation under God", I believe that was added later.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2007, 06:49:40 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

the words under god were added June 14, 1954 due to an organization called the Knights of Columbus

The statement was a quote from Sinclair Lewis a 1930s playwright who made the quote "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." and Paul said that he did not know if that was a fair assessment but he thought that huckabee was parading himself around like hes the sole Christian in the race.  Paul himself is a protestant and i expect the main problem that you have with him is that he firmly believes the fundamentals that this country was built on with the separation of church and state.  Btw referring to yourself as a Fundamental Baptist Christian Zionists answers a lot of questions that i was having about you.

Also it is written in the constitution that public office does not come with a religious test
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no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2007, 06:56:01 PM »
I hope McCain gets nowhere.
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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2007, 07:26:15 PM »
He's a liar. His first act as Commander-in-Chief will be to declare war on Israel.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2007, 07:30:08 PM »
Ron Paul is a two faced liar.  I dont trust him for a half a second.   He makes me freaking sick. 

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2007, 07:47:31 PM »
You know, that English is not my mother language, so please excuse if I understood his speech wrong.
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I think the point is, that Ron Paul blames us (Western World) to upset the Muslimes. Basically he said, that the USA bears the guilt of the attacks on 9/11.

In his view is the USA the agressor and the Muslimes are the victims.

Please watch this video again and listen carefully ( )

Ron Paul talks like nearly all German politicans of today.
"Cities run by progressives don't know how to police. ... Thirty cities went up last night, I went and looked at every one of them. Every one of them has a progressive Democratic mayor." Rudolph Giuliani

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2007, 07:59:36 PM »
Golden, that's because he is a proud German. He wants to establish a Fourth Reich in America. Hitler was pro-Muslim too, just like Ron Nazi Paul.

I know that you are an exception, but the vast, vast majority of Germans (especially those in Germany) are hardcore Nazis to this day and always have been. VERY few Germans have rejected the Odinistic, pre-Christian beliefs that are the root of Teutonic antisemitism, and if anything, these views are more popular now than at any time since WWII.

That being said, I have several friends who are German or of German descent. But I'm not going to avoid saying that this nation is the scum of the earth.

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Re: Ron Paul on Israel
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2007, 08:01:40 PM »
Golden, that's because he is a proud German. He wants to establish a Fourth Reich in America. Hitler was pro-Muslim too, just like Ron Nazi Paul.

I know that you are an exception, but the vast, vast majority of Germans (especially those in Germany) are hardcore Nazis to this day and always have been. VERY few Germans have rejected the Odinistic, pre-Christian beliefs that are the root of Teutonic antisemitism, and if anything, these views are more popular now than at any time since WWII.

That being said, I have several friends who are German or of German descent. But I'm not going to avoid saying that this nation is the scum of the earth.

Agreed, Ron Paul is a nazi and most Germans are just "hiding Socialist nazis."