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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2007, 12:18:07 AM »
So tell us Dexter how you would have said "service" in Biblical Hebrew? And if he meant slaves he would have said "Haim Yehiyu L'chem L'avadim".
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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2007, 07:32:43 AM »
So tell us Dexter how you would have said "service" in Biblical Hebrew? And if he meant slaves he would have said "Haim Yehiyu L'chem L'avadim".
Shirut, LeSharet:
"וַיִּמְצְאוּ אֶת־אֲבִישַׁג הַשּׁוּנַמִּית וַיָּבִאוּ אֹתָהּ לַמֶּלֶךְ...וַתְּהִי לַמֶּלֶךְ סֹכֶנֶת וַתְּשָׁרְתֵהוּ" (מלכים א א, ד)
"הַקְרֵב אֶת־מַטֵּה לֵוִי וְהַעֲמַדְתָּ אֹתוֹ לִפְנֵי אַהֲרֹן הַכֹּהֵן וְשֵׁרְתוּ אֹתוֹ" (במדבר ג, ו)

Rambam says
  קיבלו עליהן המס, ולא קיבלו העבדות, או שקיבלו העבדות, ולא קיבלו המס--אין שומעין להם"
means: "Accepted the taxes and not slavery, or accepted slavery and not texes, we don't listen to tham".

Maybe Rambam meant slavery as a proverb but I would like someone that know Hebrew clearly to tell me.
OK, I take my words partly back because I suspect the Rambam means their slavery will be that they will have no political rights and they will low their heads infornt of us etc'. What do you think ?
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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2007, 04:01:44 PM »
Rabbi Kahane writes about it. ( Their a Chapter). But he writes "Tribute and Servitude"
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2007, 11:47:26 PM »
Rabbi Kahane writes about it. ( Their a Chapter). But he writes "Tribute and Servitude"
Where?

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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2007, 12:04:38 AM »
Rabbi Kahane writes about it. ( Their a Chapter). But he writes "Tribute and Servitude"
Where?

Ore Hara'ayon, chapter 20.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2007, 12:37:07 AM »
Rabbi Kahane writes about it. ( Their a Chapter). But he writes "Tribute and Servitude"
Where?
Ore Hara'ayon, chapter 20.
Ah - I haven't read Or Hara'ayon yet (there aren't many places you can find it, at least in the US).  Although a friend of mine has it, so I guess I could just borrow it from him.  I suppose I'll have to give him back his copy of Why Be Jewish first...  ;D

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Re: Are Gentiles allowed to live in The Land of Israel ?
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2007, 12:39:59 AM »
Rabbi Kahane writes about it. ( Their a Chapter). But he writes "Tribute and Servitude"
Where?
Ore Hara'ayon, chapter 20.
Ah - I haven't read Or Hara'ayon yet (there aren't many places you can find it, at least in the US).  Although a friend of mine has it, so I guess I could just borrow it from him.  I suppose I'll have to give him back his copy of Why Be Jewish first...  ;D

Really? I got both volumes without a problem some time ago. Try making some searches you will probably find it. (maybe ill check).
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

Please visit: (The Greatest lectures on Earth).
http://torahanytime.com/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Zecharia_Wallerstein/