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Should the forum be closed for Christmas?

Yes
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No
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Undecided
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Offline briann

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2007, 01:49:37 AM »
absolutely not!!!   Thats not what Christmas is about.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2007, 05:24:32 AM »
no

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #52 on: December 25, 2007, 06:34:15 AM »
Christmas isn't a time for people to abstain from electronics or work unlike shabbat..

however it is a time for people to be with family.. i myself went to my family an hour away for this momentus day and all Christians should try to be with family..

having said that this is a jewish forum and all non-jews need to respect that Christmas is not a festival for the jews to observe for reasons others can explain..

Short answer is no but on such an occaision true bible believing christians will want to celebrate this time and be with family rather than on forums

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #53 on: December 25, 2007, 06:42:11 AM »
JTF is our family O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #54 on: December 25, 2007, 12:45:29 PM »
JTF is our family O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
hmm, debatable.

Anyhow, to be honest I'm a bit of a loner, I can't sit with my family all day, I start feeling uncomfortable, I have to be on my own for a bit, hence why I'm here right now...

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2007, 12:52:42 PM »
JTF is our family O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
hmm, debatable.

Anyhow, to be honest I'm a bit of a loner, I can't sit with my family all day, I start feeling uncomfortable, I have to be on my own for a bit, hence why I'm here right now...

Family can be a pain in the bum. We choose our friends but get stuck with family.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2007, 01:02:43 PM »
JTF is our family O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
hmm, debatable.

Anyhow, to be honest I'm a bit of a loner, I can't sit with my family all day, I start feeling uncomfortable, I have to be on my own for a bit, hence why I'm here right now...

Family can be a pain in the bum. We choose our friends but get stuck with family.
I love my family, I'm just a loner by nature.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2007, 01:13:39 PM »
JTF is our family O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
hmm, debatable.

Anyhow, to be honest I'm a bit of a loner, I can't sit with my family all day, I start feeling uncomfortable, I have to be on my own for a bit, hence why I'm here right now...

Family can be a pain in the bum. We choose our friends but get stuck with family.

Family can be great, and friends are quite often fickle.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #58 on: December 25, 2007, 06:45:39 PM »
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Please be respectful toward your fellow Non-Christian. He is more righteous than you. He is a Torah observant Gentile while you are a Secular Jew.


I don't claim to be righteous.

Regarding Gentiles' Holidays, SOME Christians are requiered to abstain from REAL work on Sunday and their other Feasts according to their Chruches, but not to abstain feom ritual work, like using electricity.
However, according to Torah, a Gentile cannot make a holiday for himself. He can choose a day to rest, but it mist NEVER be the Jewish rest with all the details. And the Gentile must have in mind that his rest is voluntary and not a mitzvah. Hashem allowed Gentiles to work everyday. Whoever pretends to add to Hashem orders is placing his moral ideology over Hashem's Law and thus sinning. Generally Noachides choose Saturday (Seventh Day) for their rest. But remember that the rest MUST NOT be in the Jewish manner, and the Noachide must have in mind that his rest is voluntary, NOT MITZVAH. Otherwise he'd be claiming to have more mitzvot then the Seven given to him, that would be rebelion agaist G-d!!!!


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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #59 on: December 25, 2007, 07:04:59 PM »
Just a couple things,

First, I would like to wish JTF and it's Jewish members a MERRY
CHRISTMAS! Same goes to everyone else reading, including my
Christian brethren.

Literally, Christmas means “Mass of Christ” (i.e. celebration of Christ).
The account of Jesus' birth can be found in (Luke 2:1-11). Of course
many of you are quite correct, no where in the Bible does the word
"Christmas" appear, but at the same time no where in the Christian
Bible are we told not to celebrate the birth of Christ. As a result, I
personally don't have a problem celebrating Jesus' birth at Christmas
time. On the act of commercializing the whole thing though, I don't
agree with it, and that's a whole other matter we won't get into.

Secondly, as a Judeo-Christian, a Christian Zionist, I would like to
reiterate my full support for the Jewish people and their right to ALL
the land of Israel (Genesis 12:1-3). It is my duty to love and support
the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, and I do. If I could I would
even join up with the IDF and stand side by side with it's Jewish soldiers.
"For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I
will not rest." (Isaiah 62:1) The Jewish people are the "apple of G-d's
eye" [Deut 32:10, La 2:18, Zech 2:8]. I support JTF in their struggle
and it's fight to save Western Civilization.

Some of you have pointed out the theological differences between
Jews and Christians, of course we are not naive, we understand the
main theological difference, Christians believe Jesus was the Jewish
Messiah and the Savior of all mankind. Jews, on the other hand, have
always held that Jesus was not the Messiah, and that they are still
awaiting Him. This is no surprise, and time will tell who is right. In the
meantime though we share a common goal and we stand together,
side by side! Christian's have a mandate from G-d to help the Jewish
people and the land of Israel and I will honor that until the day I die.

PS -- Oh, yeah, the other thing: Whoever said the J. Witnesses were
Christian's was incorrect. They're a cult. They are kinda like Mormon's
in that they they want everyone to think they're Christian's but they
are not. Their founder, Charles Taze Russell, was nothing more than
a clever con-man who stole from the Bible.

Well, I hope I haven't offended anyone as that was not my intention.
It's an important time of the year for Christians, just trying to keep it
real.

Thank you, and my prayers are for you.


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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #60 on: December 25, 2007, 07:08:45 PM »
JTF is our family O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
hmm, debatable.

Anyhow, to be honest I'm a bit of a loner, I can't sit with my family all day, I start feeling uncomfortable, I have to be on my own for a bit, hence why I'm here right now...

Family can be a pain in the bum. We choose our friends but get stuck with family.

Family can be great, and friends are quite often fickle.
True
Family is great.
None of us are perfect...we are stuck with family and family is stuck with us.  ;)
Thank God
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #61 on: December 25, 2007, 10:05:02 PM »
Very well. I stand corrected.

Merry Christmas to our gentile friends!

Not all Gentiles are Christians. Not all Christians celebrate Christmas.( J witness only accept a version of Easter) Not all Christians who do celebrate it, do it tonight (Orthodox Christians do according to Juluan Calendar, Armenians on other date)

Merry Christmas Raulmarrio2000   ;)



Please be respectful toward your fellow Non-Christian. He is more righteous than you. He is a Torah observant Gentile while you are a Secular Jew.


it is  not for you to say who is more righteuos. it is only up to g-d

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #62 on: December 25, 2007, 10:47:54 PM »
I think we should show respect to our gentile members by closing down the forum for Christmas. What do the rest of you think?

Christianity does not forbid it's adherents to use electricity at any time ever. So this whole discussion is moot and pointless.
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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2007, 01:48:23 AM »
i voted no b.c there are no prohibition on working on Christmas. You buy gifts and all the stores are open why should this forum be closed then ??

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2007, 02:04:19 AM »

I agree with Chaim.

And for me personally, it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

No big deal.   :)


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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2007, 07:01:42 AM »
i voted no b.c there are no prohibition on working on Christmas. You buy gifts and all the stores are open why should this forum be closed then ??
Your right!  O0
It should not be closed.

  ??? Just remember for some Christians it is not all about the gifts.  It is unfair to make it sound that way.
It is about our Faith and time spent with family.
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
Christian holidays do not have the restrictions Jewish holidays have

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2008, 10:55:05 AM »
Christian holidays do not have the restrictions Jewish holidays have
i voted no b.c there are no prohibition on working on Christmas. You buy gifts and all the stores are open why should this forum be closed then ??

Here all shops are closed 25-26 December.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2008, 03:03:00 PM »
i voted no b.c there are no prohibition on working on Christmas. You buy gifts and all the stores are open why should this forum be closed then ??
Your right!  O0
It should not be closed.

  ??? Just remember for some Christians it is not all about the gifts.  It is unfair to make it sound that way.
It is about our Faith and time spent with family.


Yeah it is really sad, when you see christmas being turned into almost a commercial holiday by the shops..... cheapens it which is horrible.
Though the decorations and spirit in december in the city, make it the best month of the year.
Spending time with family is what people need the most these days, and its a great factor of Christmas.


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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2008, 03:33:18 PM »
JTF is a JEWISH Forum.
Closing it for Shabbat is absolutely normal.
Closing it for Christmas would be stupid,
weird, unnatural, abnormal, wrong.
JTF doesn't close EVEN for Hannukah.

 8;)

Since I am an Orthodox Christian,
my Christmas is on january 7th,
and catholics have it on december 25th...
Closing JTF for these Celebrations is unthinkable.

(For me as a Goy,
even Shabbats are too long a time to wait
for being together here...)

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"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2008, 03:58:36 PM »
Christian holidays do not have the restrictions Jewish holidays have


Even if they did, so what? This is a Jewish forum and Christians don't have to come on here on Christian holidays if they choose not to.


exactly
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2008, 08:43:59 PM »
Not at all.  What about easter?

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2008, 09:19:54 PM »
Same with easter.

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Re: Who thinks the forum should be closed for Christmas?
« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2008, 09:26:39 PM »
I dont mind that its open on Christmas or Easter.
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