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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 09:04:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 09:01:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:55:50 PM ---Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
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So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
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Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
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Most Jews turned secular- becuase 1- some out of wickedness and 2- The wicked forcing others to abandon the Torah and go agains't G-d, sometimes forcefully -ex- Kidnapping Yeminite Jews and putting them in Kibbutz, or Telling their fathers when they came to Israel that if they wont to eat they have to work on Shabb-t (which they reasoned as Pikuah Nefesh- which was allowed but then it destroyed their kids and grand kids- and created unfortunatly criminals out of beauitiful Jewish kids. , Or what the media does, or what the education system did and how Jews (expecially Sefardim) were systematically discriminated agains't and made (forced) to abandon the Torah.
What you keep saying about the Rabbis makes me belive that possibly you are a provacature who wants devision, or just ignorant and bitter becuase of something you heard some time ago and in connection to your family (im sorry), but you have a bad perception and bias.
Nolandforshalom:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 09:03:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 09:01:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:55:50 PM ---Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
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So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
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We were almost wiped off the face of the earth.
That's what happened.
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It was Kahane himself that said that we have too long worshiped our allies instead of HaShem.
ItalianZionist:
--- Quote from: Nolandforshalom on January 09, 2008, 08:59:14 PM ---Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?
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So Noland...In the entire history of the Jews no gentiles have ever helped Jews. I haven't read all your posts on this thread, but are you saying that you do not want any help from any gentiles? What about the Serbs and some Danes during world war 2?...what about the founding fathers of America who have been proven to be zionists?....and the countless AMerican servicemen (not Roosevelt or the generals) who were horrified of the Nazi brutality and gave their LIVES DESTROYING the nazis....IF NOT FOR THEM THAN THE NAZIS WOULD BE RULING THE EARTH AT THIS MOMENT..
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
You dont understand. For a gentile to save a Jew for example, is a great thing for him to do, and he will be greatly awarded for it. BUT for a Jew, and for a Jewish movement to rely on allies and actually to think that their salvation comes from someone or something other then G-d isn't a good thing. The level of faith a Jew has to have is to have confidence in G-d. A non-Jew has to seek allies, and make all these other things becuase he is required to Belive in G-d and bless G-d, also not curse G-d or worship other gods (and the rest of the 7 laws of Noah, according to the Torah).
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 09:11:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 09:04:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 09:01:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:55:50 PM ---Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
--- End quote ---
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
--- End quote ---
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
--- End quote ---
Most Jews turned secular- becuase 1- some out of wickedness and 2- The wicked forcing others to abandon the Torah and go agains't G-d, sometimes forcefully -ex- Kidnapping Yeminite Jews and putting them in Kibbutz, or Telling their fathers when they came to Israel that if they wont to eat they have to work on Shabbat (which they reasoned as Pikuah Nefesh- which was allowed but then it destroyed their kids and grand kids- and created unfortunatly criminals out of beauitiful Jewish kids. , Or what the media does, or what the education system did and how Jews (expecially Sefaradim) were systematically discriminated agains't and made (forced) to abandon the Torah.
What you keep saying about the Rabbis makes me belive that possibly you are a provacature who wants devision, or just ignorant and bitter becuase of something you heard some time ago and in connection to your family (im sorry), but you have a bad perception and bias.
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What jdl4ever said was sad but true.
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