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[Nolandforshalom]

first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. 

Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.

This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.

I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.

[Lisa]

I agree with what you wrote. 

But I'd like to know what has come up that you posted this.  You're welcome to PM me if you like.

[Jasmina]

first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. 

Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.

This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.

I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.

 

 you seem very angry! why is that so?

[Nolandforshalom]

Honestly, and I really don't want to get blocked, it was what Chaim said, about not defaming Catholics. Catholics have done soooooo much harm to us, and now a Kahanist leader wants to defend them. I simply cannot agree with that. While i respect Chaim, and his opinion, Jews must come first, by a long shot.

[Nolandforshalom]

first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. 

Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.

This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.

I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.

 

 you seem very angry! why is that so?

Because i WILL NOT allow the remaining Kahanists to embark on a suicidal path.

[kellymaureen]

I agree with what you said 100%

[Nolandforshalom]

I agree with what you said 100%

Thank you. As HaRav Said, "When you love Jews Enough you will say the painful things you need to save them"

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Agreed.

[kellymaureen]

I agree with what you said 100%

Thank you. As HaRav Said, "When you love Jews Enough you will say the painful things you need to save them"

Youre welcome, though I cant consider myself a Christian, there are quite a few here who are very wonderful and who feel the same as you do.

[Rubystars]

I think there will always be conflicts between any group and any other group, but I think what unifies people of different faiths here are many things, but one major one is that we have a common enemy, radical Islam and even so-called (but not really) moderate Islam, either form of which wishes to destroy both the "Saturday people" and the "Sunday people". A Muslim doesn't care if you're a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist, an Animist, or whatever. If you're not Muslim, they want to kill you.

Another major reason is that both Jews and Western Christians are generally intelligent people capable of building and maintaining a civilized and generally moral society, while many other groups of people are not.

[Nolandforshalom]

It is important, regardless of how big the forum gets,  to remember what Rabbi Kahane taught.  We must not spread a message we have forgotten. I fear that in time very few will remember HaRav. We must prevent that.

[Nolandforshalom]

I think there will always be conflicts between any group and any other group, but I think what unifies people of different faiths here are many things, but one major one is that we have a common enemy, radical Islam and even so-called (but not really) moderate Islam, either form of which wishes to destroy both the "Saturday people" and the "Sunday people". A Muslim doesn't care if you're a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist, an Animist, or whatever. If you're not Muslim, they want to kill you.

Another major reason is that both Jews and white Western Christians are generally intelligent people capable of building and maintaining a civilized and generally moral society, while many other groups of people are not.

While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.

[MasterWolf1]

I am Catholic and do not hate my fellow Jews,  I have to think that I fight more for the Jews then I wish some Jews would do for themselves. 

[Rubystars]

While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.

I believe that most Christians who would join this sort of forum are your true friends. Christians in America in particular are very favorable toward Israel, perhaps not so much in the rest of the world though.

As for the RCC, it labeled plenty of Christians as heretics and murdered them as well. I'm non-denom, so I would have been killed right along with everyone else if those kind of nutcases were in power now.

I don't like the RCC but I know that many Catholics themselves are nice people even if I don't agree with their theology.

I think the reason Chaim said not to bash Catholics is that not all of them are evil, and some are sincere in their support of Israel and those sincere people should be welcomed. I can't, of course, speak for anyone else, but that was the impression I got.

[Nolandforshalom]

It is always good when a Gentile helps the Jews, but there can be no faith placed in this. Opinions change, and we must not be vulnerable because of Gentiles.

[Rubystars]

I don't think faith should ever be placed in other people entirely, faith should only be directed toward God, but in this world I would suggest that you don't turn away those who sincerely want to help.

[Nolandforshalom]

While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.

I believe that most Christians who would join this sort of forum are your true friends. Christians in America in particular are very favorable toward Israel, perhaps not so much in the rest of the world though.

As for the RCC, it labeled plenty of Christians as heretics and murdered them as well. I'm non-denom, so I would have been killed right along with everyone else if those kind of nutcases were in power now.

I don't like the RCC but I know that many Catholics themselves are nice people even if I don't agree with their theology.

I think the reason Chaim said not to bash Catholics is that not all of them are evil, and some are sincere in their support of Israel and those sincere people should be welcomed. I can't, of course, speak for anyone else, but that was the impression I got.

My point is not to unilaterally trust Gentiles because they say they want to help. Only we know we will not betray ourselves, and besides that and G-d, we cannot say for sure who to trust. We cannot for sure say who wants to help, which is why we must place Jewish help first.

[Lisa]

Nolandforshalom, I think there is a difference between accepting help from good gentiles vs. depending on America over G-d.  So if I'm not being clear, Chaim accepts the support of all good people, but he insists that Jews do their part and not act like victims.  If Jews stood up for themselves then the views of the RCC would be irrelevant. 

[Rubystars]

Chaim is constantly talking about how Jews have betrayed Jews. I don't really want to get into that myself though.

The only one you can trust not to betray you is God.

[Nolandforshalom]

My stance, as was the stance of Rav Kahane, is that the Jews that do care must defend those that do not. I however, respect Chaim's opinion.  Chaim, would agree, that not Jews have hurt Jews more than fellow Jews, and regardless, we are commanded to love our fellow Jew, no matter what.

[Rubystars]

You know what would be a good idea, is if you condense your idea into the form of a question and put it on the ask JTF coming up. I think it would be interesting to hear Chaim's answers to the interesting points you're bringing up, because you are making me think quite a bit.

[Nolandforshalom]

I am relatively new to JTF, how do I ask Chaim a question?

[Rubystars]

I am relatively new to JTF, how do I ask Chaim a question?

There's a sticky thread at the top of the general forum, you need to reply to that thread with a relatively short question. You get to ask one question per week. I've been having fun with it and learning things from it myself and I'm fairly new here too.

I think it says something like Ask JTF for January 13

[Nolandforshalom]

Thank you.

[Lisa]

Here is a link to the January 13 Ask JTF thread:

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12617.0

It is found in the General section as is stickied.  And on Monday nights there is also an announcement in the General section in sticky format saying that Ask JTF is ready.  You then download the audio file and listen to it from your computer.