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Re: Please read.
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2008, 09:17:02 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2008, 08:09:38 PM »
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Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.

 ??? :o uhhhh...ok...
I think, it's more a matter of other religious people defending Judaism than as you say.
You say Jews have not hurt fellow Jews ??? I think you need to think about that a bit harder...

All in all, I don't think this is the sort of things you should be writing on JTF. Take Care

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2008, 08:32:53 PM »
I am well aware of what I SHOULD write on JTF. Jews, regardless, are commanded by G-d to love Jews. I do not trust my Land, MY land, to Gentiles. I, without a doubt, appreciate SINCERE help from Gentiles, but I would prefer Jewish Help.
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2008, 08:49:38 PM »
I agee. And not that I want to attack Chaim, but its counter-productive to say some of the things I heard him say over the years in regard to any non-Jews in America and the backing that they would give a Kahanist gov in Israel. We should have confidence in G-d alone, and not on making allies and other things (also non-Jews dont get offended, im not agains't you, but im just saying what Jews should do). In truth we shouldn't even rely on other Jews, rely on G-d alone, but when we say that we need Jews to back us, its really becuase we need them to make Tishuva (returning to G-d's proper path), and by that then we will merit victory, becuase Jews wll be doing the right thing, and thus merit salvation.   
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2008, 08:55:50 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 08:58:17 PM by jdl4ever »
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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2008, 08:59:14 PM »
Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2008, 09:01:26 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2008, 09:02:46 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

Here Here.

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2008, 09:03:35 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?

We were almost wiped off the face of the earth.

That's what happened.
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2008, 09:04:26 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
"Enough weeping and wailing; and the following of leaders & rabbis who are pygmies of little faith & less understanding."
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2008, 09:11:22 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
Most Jews turned secular- becuase 1- some out of wickedness and 2- The wicked forcing others to abandon the Torah and go agains't G-d, sometimes forcefully -ex- Kidnapping Yeminite Jews and putting them in Kibbutz, or Telling their fathers when they came to Israel that if they wont to eat they have to work on Shabb-t (which they reasoned as Pikuah Nefesh- which was allowed but then it destroyed their kids and grand kids- and created unfortunatly criminals out of beauitiful Jewish kids.  , Or what the media does, or what the education system did and how Jews (expecially Sefardim) were systematically discriminated agains't and made (forced) to abandon the Torah.

  What you keep saying about the Rabbis makes me belive that possibly you are a provacature who wants devision,  or just ignorant and bitter becuase of something you heard some time ago and in connection to your family (im sorry), but you have a bad perception and bias.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2008, 09:28:20 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?

We were almost wiped off the face of the earth.

That's what happened.


It was Kahane himself that said that we have too long worshiped our allies instead of HaShem.
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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2008, 09:33:27 PM »
Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?

So Noland...In the entire history of the Jews no gentiles have ever helped Jews. I haven't read all your posts on this thread, but are you saying that you do not want any help from any gentiles? What about the Serbs and some Danes during world war 2?...what about the founding fathers of America who have been proven to be zionists?....and the countless AMerican servicemen (not Roosevelt or the generals) who were horrified of the Nazi brutality and gave their LIVES DESTROYING the nazis....IF NOT FOR THEM THAN THE NAZIS WOULD BE RULING THE EARTH AT THIS MOMENT..

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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2008, 09:40:56 PM »
You dont understand. For a gentile to save a Jew for example, is a great thing for him to do, and he will be greatly awarded for it. BUT for a Jew, and for a Jewish movement to rely on allies and actually to think that their salvation comes from someone or something other then G-d isn't a good thing. The level of faith a Jew has to have is to have confidence in G-d. A non-Jew has to seek allies, and make all these other things becuase he is required to Belive in G-d and bless G-d, also not curse G-d or worship other gods (and the rest of the 7 laws of Noah, according to the Torah).
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2008, 09:44:50 PM »
Typical Cheredi rhetoric.  Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day.  G-d will take care of everything.  Sure, keep dreaming.  That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.

So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
Most Jews turned secular- becuase 1- some out of wickedness and 2- The wicked forcing others to abandon the Torah and go agains't G-d, sometimes forcefully -ex- Kidnapping Yeminite Jews and putting them in Kibbutz, or Telling their fathers when they came to Israel that if they wont to eat they have to work on Shabbat (which they reasoned as Pikuah Nefesh- which was allowed but then it destroyed their kids and grand kids- and created unfortunatly criminals out of beauitiful Jewish kids.  , Or what the media does, or what the education system did and how Jews (expecially Sefaradim) were systematically discriminated agains't and made (forced) to abandon the Torah.

  What you keep saying about the Rabbis makes me belive that possibly you are a provacature who wants devision,  or just ignorant and bitter becuase of something you heard some time ago and in connection to your family (im sorry), but you have a bad perception and bias.


What jdl4ever said was sad but true.
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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2008, 10:38:06 PM »
Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?

So Noland...In the entire history of the Jews no gentiles have ever helped Jews. I haven't read all your posts on this thread, but are you saying that you do not want any help from any gentiles? What about the Serbs and some Danes during world war 2?...what about the founding fathers of America who have been proven to be zionists?....and the countless AMerican servicemen (not Roosevelt or the generals) who were horrified of the Nazi brutality and gave their LIVES DESTROYING the nazis....IF NOT FOR THEM THAN THE NAZIS WOULD BE RULING THE EARTH AT THIS MOMENT..
I absolutely did not say we should refuse all Gentile Help. that would be absurd. I only believe in receiving said help, either in extreme circumstances, such as HaShoah, or from trusted Gentiles.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2008, 10:46:05 PM »
It is forbidden to rely primarily on Gentiles to help us as ancient Israel relied on an alliance with Egypt to save them, but it is not forbidden (and I might add a great thing) to have alliances with righteous Gentiles but relying primarily on ourselves and G-d in the forefront.  The proof is that Israel's salvation through the second temple era came through the King of a Gentile Nation and through him Nechamia the Prophet got to Israel and accomplished his mission.  But before him and even before Ezra, the simple Jew Zerubabel led the first group of Jews to Israel on his own and G-d gives him the credit of building the Temple "and he [Zerubabel] will bring out the corner stone [of the temple] with shouts of "favor favor on to it"".
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2008, 10:55:29 PM »
I don't think Chaim would approve of this

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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2008, 10:57:01 PM »
I absolutely did not say we should refuse all Gentile Help. that would be absurd. I only believe in receiving said help, either in extreme circumstances, such as HaShoah, or from trusted Gentiles.
Well, that's a crazy ideology. 
"Enough weeping and wailing; and the following of leaders & rabbis who are pygmies of little faith & less understanding."
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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2008, 11:01:02 PM »
Why? I dont wish to see my people killed. Is anything truly crazy when fighting against the enemy that we are? Islam will not rest, and we must be careful who helps us. I dont want a suicide bomb in the middle of a fund raiser.
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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2008, 11:01:48 PM »
I don't think Chaim would approve of this
Of what? Is this forum not allowed to have free discussion?
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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2008, 11:02:51 PM »
So then according to you Nechamia the Prophet was a sinner since he accepted a lot of money, supplies, a document with the seal of the king and a whole brigade of soldiers from a Gentile king to go to Israel. 
"Enough weeping and wailing; and the following of leaders & rabbis who are pygmies of little faith & less understanding."
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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2008, 11:05:33 PM »
I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID THAT IN THE PAST IT WAS BAD TO ACCEPT GENTILE HELP. I am saying that now, where we have our own country with a major army, It is not nearly as necessary. Please do not put words in my mouth. I am just uneasy about placing faith in Gentiles. 
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« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2008, 11:08:48 PM »
I think he means that recieving help is one thing, but asking  or pleading is another.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2008, 11:10:10 PM »
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
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