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« on: January 09, 2008, 08:08:17 AM »
Publication time: 19 December 2007, 10:37

Russia's Muslims are beginning to change the way they talk about the relationship between their religious community and their country, a shift that reflects their own growing self-confidence but one that frightens many ethnic Russians who see it as a threat to their own status.

Until recently, Daniyal Isayev writes in a commentary on the Islam.ru portal, the Muslims of Russia, like most analysts who discuss their community, typically spoke "about ‘Islam and Russia,' ‘Islam in Russia,' and even ‘[non-ethnic] Russian Islam." But they "never" referred to "'Muslim Russia.'"

Now, he writes, ever more of the faithful there are doing just that, a reflection of "how much is changing both in the world and in Russia itself" -- and "especially in the consciousness, self-conception and position of Muslims" living in that country (http://www.islam.rupressclub/analiti...ra/?print_page).

This shift does not represent a split in Russian society, the Muslim commentator insists, but rather represents an affirmation that Islam is "an inalienable part of Russia" and that "Russia as a state and civilization could not exist without Islam and the Muslims."

The Islamic community emerged "on the territory of contemporary Russia not only centuries earlier than in many other regions of the world which today are considered traditionally Islamic but centuries before the appearance of the [ethnic] Russian people and [ethnic] Russian and [non-ethnic] Russian statehood."

"Muslim Russia," he writes, "is Derbent, Kazan, Astrakhan, Ufa, Tyumen, Orenburg and so on. Today, this is also Moscow and St. Petersburg. {It] is the creativity of Pushkin, Lermontov, and Tolstoy, ... an enormous territory and peoples of Northern Eurasia who were drawn together by the Golden Horde."

Moreover, "Muslim Russia is [also] the victories on the fronts of the First and Second World Wars, gold medals at the Olympics and scientific achievements of recent years." And the future of Muslim Russia, Isayev suggests, is certain to be even richer and more beneficial to the country.

That is because "Muslim Russia is not a finished or finally completed phenomenon. [It] is a dynamically developing present and a magnificent future of our country," one in which Russia's Muslims "every day acquire ever greater certainty in their own strength, in their own goals, and their own future."

In many ways, Muslims today are playing in Russia the role of the creative minority that the English historian Arnold Toynbee suggested every country needs. And by doing so, they are thus helping others in Russia to overcome the "deep crisis" that many have been experiencing.

Of course, Isayev concedes, "Muslims of Russia are a religious minority," but that should not disturb them at all. "In this there is nothing strange or out of the ordinary. The entire history of Islam was written by Muslims who were [at one point] minorities in their own motherland," whether that was in Mecca or somewhere else.

And precisely because Russia's Muslims live today "not only on the borders with non-Muslim societies but also on the borders of a new, post-industrial world, which puts before Islam ever new challenges," they may have a special role to play not only for Russia itself but for the entire Muslim world.

Indeed, in this, the 21st century, it is entirely possible that "Muslim Russia can become the advance guard of the development of Islam in Northern Eurasia" and even of the development of the Islamic community of the entire world. "Only Allah knows," Isayev concludes, just what role in the future Muslim Russia is fated to play."

But there is one role that "Muslim Russia" is already playing: as a bogeyman to many non-Muslim Russians who feel that the rapid growth of the Islamic community in their country at the present time represents a threat not only to their way of life but even to the existence of the Russian state itself.


Indeed, in the words of one Russian nationalist writer, Russians today "no longer feel themselves masters in their own house" but rather like unwelcome and even temporary guests in a country that they had always assumed to be theirs alone and certainly not a Muslim one
(http://www.apn.ru/column/article18631.htm ).

Many other Russian commentators feel the same. One suggests that that the Russian government is increasingly opposed to ethnic Russians either to curry favor with the West, avoid violence or win support from the significantly more pliant non-Russian communities (http://www.apn.ru.opinions/print18645.htm).

Another suggests that non-Russians are allowed to attack Russians in ways that Russians are not, something that not only drives many Russians out of non-Russian regions but fuels the anger of even those Russians who live in still predominantly Russian rgions (http://rus-proekt.ru/people/2652.html).

And yet a third uses openly racist language to insist that ethnic Russians are being overwhelmed by what he calls "hot southern blood" and are now reduced to identifying themselves as ethnic Russians when they seek housing in a country that is named after them (http://www.gazetanv.ru/article/?iod=5143).

The existence of these two sets of attitudes, the increasingly self-confident Muslim one, on the one hand, and the increasingly defensive ethnic Russian one, on the other, points to more conflicts ahead, unless the authorities and cooler heads on both sides pull back a little and reflect on just how dangerous such clashes could be.

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Re: Muslims-Russia cannot exist without islam(islamic takeover)
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 09:14:39 AM »
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 O0 O0 O0
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Muslims-Russia cannot exist without islam(islamic takeover)
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 09:21:15 AM »
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O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 :) moslems must not think of taking over any European country
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Re: Muslims-Russia cannot exist without islam(islamic takeover)
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 09:35:41 AM »
mord, you know muSSlims do NOT think.

 ;)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Muslims-Russia cannot exist without islam(islamic takeover)
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 09:40:31 AM »
mord, you know muSSlims do NOT think.

 ;)
:::D I forgot about that ;D
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 10:33:34 AM »
 ;)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Muslims-Russia cannot exist without islam(islamic takeover)
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 10:57:24 AM »
What do you guys think of the caucasus region, like in Dagestan, where jews and muslims have coexisted peacefully in the mountains for centuries?

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 11:10:08 AM »
Well, they won't have to worry once Turkey gets "voted" into the EU.  Europe will become that Danish Bishop's Islamic playground with prayer rugs and azzes in the air to Allah...   :'(
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 11:10:25 AM »
What do you guys think of the caucasus region, like in Dagestan, where jews and muslims have coexisted peacefully in the mountains for centuries?

u r muslim right

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 11:10:57 AM »
Well, they won't have to worry once Turkey gets "voted" into the EU.  Europe will become that Danish Bishop's Islamic playground with prayer rugs and azzes in the air to Allah...   :'(

uhm hasn't turkey been a great friend to Israel?

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 11:11:22 AM »
What do you guys think of the caucasus region, like in Dagestan, where jews and muslims have coexisted peacefully in the mountains for centuries?

u r muslim right

and arab.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 11:12:22 AM »
What do you guys think of the caucasus region, like in Dagestan, where jews and muslims have coexisted peacefully in the mountains for centuries?

u r muslim right

and arab.

 >:( ;D

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 11:14:46 AM »
What do you guys think of the caucasus region, like in Dagestan, where jews and muslims have coexisted peacefully in the mountains for centuries?

u r muslim right

and arab.

 >:( ;D

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 11:23:02 AM »
Brother, there are no "great friends" of Israel only common interests...  For example, "The Great Satan" is supposedly a "great friend" of Israel, if that be the case why do they still hold J. Pollard?  Why are they continually undermining Israel's internal political arena?  Why are they continually promulagating the fraud of a "Pale stinian People" and furthering Jewish expulsions from Jewish land for another fraud "Two State Solution"?

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 11:24:01 AM »
What do you guys think of the caucasus region, like in Dagestan, where jews and muslims have coexisted peacefully in the mountains for centuries?

u r muslim right

and arab.

 >:( ;D

cool pics in your sig btw, i love the flanker

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2008, 11:38:59 AM »
muSSlims may be barking up the wrong tree with russians.

The government might play PC for now, but history has shown russians to be the most savage and violent of all europeans. They think nothing of wholesale slaughter of their OWN people! If the population get hungry enough and angry enough the muSSlims might get more than they bargained for.

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2008, 06:10:43 PM »
muSSlims may be barking up the wrong tree with russians.

The government might play PC for now, but history has shown russians to be the most savage and violent of all europeans. They think nothing of wholesale slaughter of their OWN people! If the population get hungry enough and angry enough the muSSlims might get more than they bargained for.
That is the key-issue.
Europeans must be hungry, in order to destroy non-European muslim-nazis.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 04:59:19 AM »
THat's right Ambroix as long as the people will have their TV's, autos and shnapses nothing will change, this the same you can tell about Americans or Israelis too btw.  :( ;D   
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Muslims-Russia cannot exist without islam(islamic takeover)
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 05:30:34 AM »
Exactly.
So let's pray the US dollar and the Euro collapse as soon as possible, so that the hungry Europeans can start the ethnical cleansing of muslim-arabs&berbers.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 05:48:22 AM »
Exactly.
So let's pray the US dollar and the Euro collapse as soon as possible, so that the hungry Europeans can start the ethnical cleansing of muslim-arabs&berbers.

On this you are right.

People will  do NOTHING while they stand to risk their cars, houses, TVs and investment plans. When they've NOTHING to lose, that will be different.