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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
Khazan:
Was this the verse then ( Ketuvot 111a )? If it's in the Talmud, isn't it Halacha? Or is it just that this particular passage is being misconstrued by the Karta, therefore, this is just their opinion on a talmudic passage, and not Halacha (law)?
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Khazan on January 09, 2008, 08:28:49 PM ---Was this the verse then ( Ketuvot 111a )? If it's in the Talmud, isn't it Halacha? Or is it just that this particular passage is being misconstrued by the Karta, therefore, this is just their opinion on a talmudic passage, and not Halacha (law)?
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Both are correct. They are misinterpreting the simple meaning of the verse in the Talmud and to begin with it is not the Halacha. Not everything found in the Talmud is the Law, and there are frequently Rabbis who have different opinions in the Talmud. What is considered Halacha is after a long argument the Talmud proves one opinion correct and says "the Halacha is like person X". Or the Talmud says later on a rule that the Halacha is like person X in most cases but these few cases the law is like opinion Y. Or if the Talmud doesn't say out right what the Halacha is the ancient commentaries state what is the accepted opinion of the Talmud.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
The Talmud writes the different opinions so that later on someone doesn't come up with his own opinion and "proof" of why something should be done differently. They Talmud brings up that proof and shows you how its not according to what you think becuase, a, b , c and d.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:23:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 08:18:14 PM ---Theirs the 3 oaths- which actually weren't and aren't Halacha (binding as law, for the majority of poskim) , but even if it was , it was breached by the nations. In brief
- ( Ketuvot 111a ) - Im quoting from Rabbi Kahane's book Ore Harayon chapter 26 (the whole chapter is on this).
" What are the 3 oaths? G-d made Israel swear not to go up to the Land en masse; [Rashi: "together, by force"] and not to rebel against the nations, and He made the nations swear that they would not subjugate Israel too much. "
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Nice to see you are longer flirting with Hareidi ideology, Tzvi.
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What do you mean?
jdl4ever:
He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
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