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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 10:37:27 PM ---Well, if the Rambam thought like the Satmurs, he would have said that Chanukah shouldn't be celebrated since we fought against the occupiers of Israel before the Massiah and brought a wicked kingdom to Israel in the near future.
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You are saying we established a "wicked kingdom" but this is not what Hanukkah is about. It is about Torah-true Jews led by the Hashmoneans rebelling against the wicked hellenists and Syrian greeks to retake the Beis Hamikdash and re-establish the control of Jewish affairs to Torah-true rabbis rather than saducees, hellenists and other defilers of the faith. The miracle was that G-d gave victory to the Torah-true Jews and enabled them to purify Judaism again. It has nothing to do with who the king was or became.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 21, 2008, 01:30:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
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I used to think of myself as Chareidi, after all, I live in Boro Park.
But after learning the Satmar Rebbe's seforim in depth(more than any Satmar Chassid has anyway) and comparing it to the teachings of Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim, I don't consider myself a Hareidi at all.
There is no question that Hareidi Rabbis have no idea what G-d wants to see occur in this world.
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Daweehd???
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Daweedh is the correct way to pronounce the name David in Hebrew.
Why are you so surprised?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---
Daweehd???
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Daweedh is the correct way to pronounce the name David in Hebrew.
Why are you so surprised?
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That is the Arabic way to pronounce David.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 21, 2008, 02:01:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---
Daweehd???
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Daweedh is the correct way to pronounce the name David in Hebrew.
Why are you so surprised?
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That is the Arabic way to pronounce David.
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NO.
The Arabic way is Dawoud.
The true Hebrew way to pronounce it is Daweedh.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 21, 2008, 01:35:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 10:29:08 PM ---It proves plenty. The Rambam is saying that having a wicked Kingdom of Israel is better than having no state and being subjugated by foreigners such as the Greek-Syrians.
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No. The Hashmoneans re-established Jewish (true Torah observant Jewish) control of the Beis Hamikdash. He is not referring to the kings, wicked or otherwise.
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Have you read the first paragraph of the Laws of Hannukah in the rambam?
It is quite clear that he praises the Hasmonean re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty for over two hundred years which includes Antipater, Alexander Yannai and Herod.
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