Author Topic: The Nazis were not Communists (Read 6201 times)

Trumpeldor · « **on:** January 12, 2008, 07:58:19 PM »

In a previous broadcast, Chaim stated that they were. This is factually inaccurate. Like many fascist groups at the time, they were socialists who despite sharing many communist beliefs, were vehemently opposed to communists.

mord · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2008, 08:05:11 PM »

They were high taxing socialists

yeshuadisciple · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2008, 02:42:34 AM »

They had a lot of similarities though. They were called the National Socialists after all. Another system based on Social Darwinism and Godlessness.

DigitalPhoto · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2008, 02:54:34 AM »

could you put the link up here for me to either hear or read about this. I thought they were nazis too; but a socialist is just as bad in some ways and in others they are worse, because they hide behind fake smiles and kisses.

Digital Photo

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2008, 02:57:31 AM »

Quote from: DigitalPhoto on January 14, 2008, 02:54:34 AM

could you put the link up here for me to either hear or read about this. I thought they were nazis too; but a socialist is just as bad in some ways and in others they are worse, because they hide behind fake smiles and kisses.

Digital Photo

Certainly some communists could and did sympathize with the Nazis.

SirGallantry · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2008, 08:29:45 AM »

MarZutra · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2008, 12:31:04 AM »

Quote from: Trumpeldor on January 12, 2008, 07:58:19 PM

In a previous broadcast, Chaim stated that they were. This is factually inaccurate. Like many fascist groups at the time, they were socialists who despite sharing many communist beliefs, were vehemently opposed to communists.

Actually, you are right and wrong in the same breath Trumpeldor. Nazism differs from Fascism and also Communism but Nazism is more closely linked to Communism than Fascism. For example, if one compares Nazi Germany to Stalin's Soviet "Socialist" Republic one will find the bare minimum of difference. In all actuality the only differance between Hitler's Nazism and Stalin's form of Communism is the pagan/gnostic theology injected into Nazism. Aside from that Communism is a mirror image to Nazism.

If you research Hitler's history you will find that he was a member of the German Communist Party until they threw him out for which is why he had so much contempt for them, aside from Communism being a "Jewish invention" like Christianity, in his views. Further you will also find that he literally took many key communist platforms and adapted them to the Nazi Party and too within "Mein Kempf".

I can write forever on this subject but I feel it akin to beating a dead horse. If one wishes to pose questions or ask for good book titles I'll be glad to comply.

MarZutra · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:55:23 AM »

Sure, who built Communism, funded the building of Soviet Russia and arranged for Lenin to come to power? Who financed and advanced Hitler and Nazi Germany? Who today, keeps Castro in power as well built China, a second world nation into a "super power"?

Nazism, like Communism was an internatioanlist ideology where it is based on subversion, power and expansion while Fascism, like Italy, was for the most part Socialist-Communistic type principles but solely confined within the borders of Italy. Fascism is a Nationally based egalitarian ideology while the others are not. There was nothing "national" about the "National Socialist" Party in all actuality. The minute they came to power they expanded internationally...

mord · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:09:04 AM »

ROEHM OF THE BROWNSHIRTS WAS A SOCIALIST AND A HOMO

Ambiorix · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2008, 11:00:44 AM »

May I ask your opinions on Fascist Leader Mussolini?
Did he protect or persecuted the Jews from Italy??
Thanks.

mord · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2008, 11:02:48 AM »

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 16, 2008, 11:00:44 AM

May I ask your opinions on Fascist Leader Mussolini?
Did he protect or persecuted the Jews from Italy??
Thanks.

i DON'NT THINK HE WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO PERSECUTE THEM PLUS THE iTALIAN PEOPLE WOULD'NT COOPERATE WITH PERSECUTING THE JEWS

mord · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2008, 11:31:45 AM »

Quote from: Cherubim on January 16, 2008, 11:09:58 AM

Quote from: Mord on January 16, 2008, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: Ambiorix on January 16, 2008, 11:00:44 AM
May I ask your opinions on Fascist Leader Mussolini?
Did he protect or persecuted the Jews from Italy??
Thanks.

i DON'NT THINK HE WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO PERSECUTE THEM PLUS THE iTALIAN PEOPLE WOULD'NT COOPERATE WITH PERSECUTING THE JEWS

But the Germans would? Both were Roman!

Germans were Roman

MarZutra · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2008, 12:20:00 PM »

Quote from: Cherubim on January 16, 2008, 10:13:28 AM

Quote from: MarZutra on January 16, 2008, 09:55:23 AM

There certainly was something "National" about the Nazis! They believed their distinct nation harbored the best humans in the world and were willing to take on the entire world to prove their rabid Nationalism. Once again in conflict with Communist "ethics"

What you are speaking of is Racialism not "Nationalism". If it were Nationalism like American Patriotism, one's nation comes first and does not have any desire to expand its borders. American Nationalists/Patriots do not want to invade, conquer and annex Canada. I hope this clearifies the fact that there was no "Nationalism" in the "National Socialism". Racialism yes as per their quest towards Pan-Germania but nationalism not at all... none. Like all other Leftist political and social platforms, all are based on lies, propaganda and the quest for power...

MarZutra · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2008, 05:40:56 PM »

We can agree for sure on your last statement. I wish you'd come conquer Canada but I'll place my reservations on Mexico...lol At least then I will be able to listen to Michael Savage, buy a bottle of scotch at the corner store, buy a gun for my protection without getting on some sort of fascist list....but then again...we couldn't have cuban cigars. How about conquering Cuba instead of Mexico? I'd take a Coheba over a bottle of Tequilla...lol

MarZutra · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:45:46 PM »

Done! WAKEY...WAKEY.... That's one question I always found applicable. Granted there is no oil in Cuba but Ghorge Bush says they are "spreading democracy" in Iraq....should they not start off, for practice, a few miles off the shores of Florida? $:-\$

Ambiorix · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:35:05 AM »

Quote from: MarZutra on January 16, 2008, 05:40:56 PM

We can agree for sure on your last statement. I wish you'd come conquer Canada but I'll place my reservations on Mexico...lol At least then I will be able to listen to Michael Savage, buy a bottle of scotch at the corner store, buy a gun for my protection without getting on some sort of fascist list....but then again...we couldn't have cuban cigars. How about conquering Cuba instead of Mexico? I'd take a Coheba over a bottle of Tequilla...lol

Ever tried Cohiba Siglo II?

Ambiorix · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:36:17 AM »

Quote from: Cherubim on January 16, 2008, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: MarZutra on January 16, 2008, 10:45:46 PM
Done! WAKEY...WAKEY.... That's one question I always found applicable. Granted there is no oil in Cuba but Ghorge Bush says they are "spreading democracy" in Iraq....should they not start off, for practice, a few miles off the shores of Florida? $:-\$
After the Bay of Pigs blunder and the humiliation the U.S. experienced in L America as a consequence we've been pretty much hands off with Cuba, not to mention the rest of the region that has become increasingly anti-American since.

It's time to do something about Chavez.

White Israelite · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:03:57 AM »

Quote from: yeshuadisciple on January 14, 2008, 02:42:34 AM

They had a lot of similarities though. They were called the National Socialists after all. Another system based on Social Darwinism and Godlessness.

Actually Social Darwinism (Natural Selection, survival of the fittest) is completely opposite to what Socialism is. I don't agree with Socialism either though.

The Soviet Union was no paradise either compared to Nazi Germany. How many Jews do you think were killed in the Soviet Union? I dislike Communists as much as I do Nazis.

MarZutra · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:04:58 AM »

I think it is time for America to liberate Cuba... Yes I've tried Cohiba Siglo II but I prefer VI. The Sublime and Piramide are nice but most often I usually get the Churchill Esplendidos or the Double Corona... Hurry up and liberate Cuba.

The way I see it, Castro and the entirety of Cuba owes America greatly since Castro "Flushed the toilets of Cuba" in 1988 sending hordes of criminals, sexual degenerates, the sick to the shores of Florida..... Albeit there were some righteous Cuban Political "traitors": aka Nationalists...

When I was living in Philly, I used to have my mother send me down boxes of Cohiba's which I'd sell through my lawyer to other lawyers, politicians etc. It was almost akin to the bootlegging days of the '30's..lol...

White Israelite · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:15:34 AM »

Quote from: MarZutra on January 17, 2008, 11:04:58 AM

I think it is time for America to liberate Cuba... Yes I've tried Cohiba Siglo II but I prefer VI. The Sublime and Piramide are nice but most often I usually get the Churchill Esplendidos or the Double Corona... Hurry up and liberate Cuba.

The way I see it, Castro and the entirety of Cuba owes America greatly since Castro "Flushed the toilets of Cuba" in 1988 sending hordes of criminals, sexual degenerates, the sick to the shores of Florida..... Albeit there were some righteous Cuban Political "traitors": aka Nationalists...

When I was living in Philly, I used to have my mother send me down boxes of Cohiba's which I'd sell through my lawyer to other lawyers, politicians etc. It was almost akin to the bootlegging days of the '30's..lol...

Miami is like a third world toilet, good thing I live in Northwest Florida.

Didn't a few people try coups on Cuba and a few other Caribbean islands? Don Black (founder of StørmFrønt) had plans in the 80's to try and take over Dominica for a white nationalist homeland, apparently it was stopped before it ever started by the fed's. More information here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dog

Ambiorix · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2008, 12:06:37 PM »

Quote from: MarZutra on January 17, 2008, 11:04:58 AM

I think it is time for America to liberate Cuba... Yes I've tried Cohiba Siglo II but I prefer VI. The Sublime and Piramide are nice but most often I usually get the Churchill Esplendidos or the Double Corona... Hurry up and liberate Cuba.

The way I see it, Castro and the entirety of Cuba owes America greatly since Castro "Flushed the toilets of Cuba" in 1988 sending hordes of criminals, sexual degenerates, the sick to the shores of Florida..... Albeit there were some righteous Cuban Political "traitors": aka Nationalists...

When I was living in Philly, I used to have my mother send me down boxes of Cohiba's which I'd sell through my lawyer to other lawyers, politicians etc. It was almost akin to the bootlegging days of the '30's..lol...

I tried a Trinidad cigar this New Year.
Didn't know what was happening, man.
I will check the Siglo VI.

MarZutra · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2008, 04:52:12 PM »

Good choice Amb

I think the best for the bucks are the Esplendidos

You are absolutely right Cohen... 100%. I lived VERY briefly in Southbeach but I used to visit my friend very often when he lived in both Orlando and then Jacksonville. Such a shame what has happened to America. Even I asked my mother what the West would have been like today if there had never been slavery and open borders... A 70+ year old looks at me and gives the old

JTFFan · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2008, 05:46:35 AM »

National Socialism = KKKommunistic SSocialism the same thing, few things differed, even KKKommunists in Russia were anti-semetic.

EagleEye · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2008, 07:09:13 PM »

The nazis were NATIONAL socialists. They were not marxists. The nazis were not fascists either. Fascism is not national socialism. Nazism is a racist dictatorship, but fascism is a corporate dictatorship. Mussolini and Hitler did not see each other as ideological cousins.

On the other hand, Marxism is an anti-corporate ideology that promotes class warfare.

MarZutra · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2008, 11:41:06 PM »

Quote from: EagleEye on February 18, 2008, 07:09:13 PM

The nazis were NATIONAL socialists. They were not marxists. The nazis were not fascists either. Fascism is not national socialism. Nazism is a racist dictatorship, but fascism is a corporate dictatorship. Mussolini and Hitler did not see each other as ideological cousins.

On the other hand, Marxism is an anti-corporate ideology that promotes class warfare.

This subject, re: aforementioned posts, has been beaten into a pulp. There was nothing "National" about so called National Socialism. Mein Kempf itself demands expansion and the first thing Hitler did after gaining his power was to invade other nations, violate the treaty of versilles and expand internationally.

You must also note that the base of Nazism is, in fact, Communism. Hitler was a member of the German Communist Party before he was kicked out later entering the Thule Society where Nazism acquired its Blavatsky/Theosophy Germanic Paganist dogma. VIDEO:

Another good example of the similarities was the fact that Hitler gained much of his knowledge from the teachings of Lenin. For example to ascertain their similarites of both persona and ideological specificites compare the base quotes to which both Nazism and Communism are based: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth. " - Lenin; "The great masses of the people... will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one." - Hitler.

Compare Germany's concentration camps, medical experimentations, forced labor etc. with the Gulag system. The two centralized power based systems are nearly identical with main exception being the injection of the Germanic/Nordic Paganism/Mythology.

The best book on this subject to date is by a Frenchmen named Jean-Michel Angebert - "The Occult and the Third Reich: The Mystical Origins of Nazism and the Search for the Holy Grail". Combine that with Hannah Newman's work; "The Rainbow Swastika": http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/ebooks/ebooks.html and one will gain a fabulous understanding of what drove the mind of Adolf Hitler and his Thule Society cohorts.