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Do you think usa will fall??
« on: January 14, 2008, 02:04:28 AM »
How long do you think usa can be superpower or even rich because all great empires have fallen like rome,mongoles who conquered china.In modern times we can see ussr and even germany in ww2 which was definetly superpower at that time and faught with too many countries at the same time.Imo the same thing is happening with usa it has to deal with war on terror,growing eonomies of china,india,russia,EU.It has 9 trillion debt,illegal immegrant problem what do you guys think?

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 02:12:06 AM »
I don't think the US will fall, I think at worst the US will have another Great Depression, after which there will be a backlash by very pissed off Americans against the corrupt government and unscrupulous big business bastards that caused it, will lead to a "house cleaning" by those pissed off Americans I previously mentioned, then we will climb out of it again like the last Great Depression. In the long run, it will probably be good for the country.
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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 02:22:57 AM »
newyorker when did last depression happened.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 02:23:36 AM »
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Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 02:27:59 AM »
i am not that great in economics ;D but i want to understand in laymans term during the last great depression was usa the only superpower because if it happens again it will be more difficult to rise again because china will then make anti usa policies
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 02:32:48 AM »
Yes, the USA WILL fall, unfortunantly. The reason-the things JTF is fighting against.

Last time I heard (today), the US has a debt of 52 TRILLION dollars

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 02:35:35 AM »


You all better pray it doesn't because with the US gone, who is going to keep all the evil bastards of the world at bay? The EU? Good frikkin' luck!
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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 02:40:43 AM »
Already done IMO, China has the US by the short and curlies.  1 Trillion in US dollars which they keep threatening to dump.  Don't forget the 65 trillion shortfall for the baby boomers when they retire.  The one ace the US has is they are central to the worlds economy and a US collapse means a world collapse.  I wouldn't count on a depression being good for the US either.  The Great Depression lead to the rise of many tyrannies including the Nazis.  Don't think that it can't happen in the US or other western countries.  People who are desperate listen to tyrants who promise bread, land and peace. 

Personally I think the stage is set for the rise of Rome again.  Daniel predicted that the Prince who would come and desecrate the temple with the abomination of desolation, would be from the people who destroyed the 2nd temple, ie the Romans. 
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
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"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.  "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.  "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.  "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 03:17:54 AM »
Forgive me for what I am thinking.  This is by no means a revelation or anything like that; however, In the US there is much moral degradation, homosexuality, theft by the individuals who are suppose to be protecting the people, lies and cover ups by the government, and overall everyone snubbing their nose at God and refusing His existence, and doing everything God abhors.  To date the worst thing the US has done is try to divide the land of Israel.  God told Abraham in Genesis 12:3  "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Based on this alone I am a bit nervous, because I live in the US, and I do not know exactly how this will come to pass; I believe it will based on what God says here in Genesis 12:3.  I hope I am wrong; but God word is true and infallible.

What can I do to get the text to stop automatically removing the 'O' from God?

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 03:26:31 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2008, 03:44:16 AM »
i am not that great in economics ;D but i want to understand in laymans term during the last great depression was usa the only superpower because if it happens again it will be more difficult to rise again because china will then make anti usa policies
I doubt the USA were the only superpower in the 20 ties...

I think other European nations were more powerful
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2008, 03:48:20 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2008, 03:51:45 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2008, 03:58:58 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.

It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,

than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.




Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2008, 04:17:25 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.

It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,

than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.






Never happen, y'know why? because the founding fathers of this great nation, in their brilliant wisdom, put the right to bear arms, and form militias in the Constitution. Anyone trying to take over the states will face 200 million armed to the teeth pissed off Americans, with me included.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2008, 04:25:13 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,
than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.
Never happen, y'know why? because the founding fathers of this great nation, in their brilliant wisdom, put the right to bear arms, and form militias in the Constitution. Anyone trying to take over the states will face 200 million armed to the teeth pissed off Americans, with me included.
We (in Europe) face the same problems, don't get me wrong!
We will be waging war outnumbered  against much more Muslims/Blacks.

Our governments are not loyal to us.

We are outnumbered in the cities already.

take a look at my lost post in Save Europe about Stockholm.

unless we expel all enemies from our lands now,
we are on the verge of collapse.

Remember what Kahane said about the Arabs in Israel...
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2008, 06:04:03 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2008, 06:08:27 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.

It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,

than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.






Never happen, y'know why? because the founding fathers of this great nation, in their brilliant wisdom, put the right to bear arms, and form militias in the Constitution. Anyone trying to take over the states will face 200 million armed to the teeth pissed off Americans, with me included.



LOL funny enough I agree with that statement. American's have a great history of changing things when anrgy enough, but it takes alot to get you anrgy enough to act. The spirit of the country is far different to Russia.

Not to say one is better than the other, because I don't think that. But credit is due to what creates a country and its Americans boldness and pure stubborn attitude.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2008, 07:20:03 AM »
I think the real threat is illegal immigration.  If this continues, the America we have come to know and love will soon disappear for good. :'(

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2008, 07:26:16 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2008, 07:38:08 AM »
other countries will fall before the USA.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2008, 08:03:32 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy

Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.

US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and  Panama

I think thats all  can remember...

Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.

America is well backed.

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Re: Do you think usa will fall??
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2008, 08:20:44 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy

Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.

US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and  Panama

I think thats all  can remember...

Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.

America is well backed.
no skippy...these treaties are what is causing the fall of the White American. These treaties are outsourcing white americans' livelihoods, right under americans' noses. >:( :'(

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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2008, 08:23:36 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy

Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.

US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and  Panama

I think thats all  can remember...

Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.

America is well backed.
no skippy...these treaties are what is causing the fall of the White American. These treaties are outsourcing white americans' livelihoods, right under americans' noses. >:( :'(

VERY INTERESTING!!
what is the right opinion here?
Let's ask Chaim?
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2008, 08:30:12 AM »
What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.

Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.

Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.

USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy

Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.

US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and  Panama

I think thats all  can remember...

Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.

America is well backed.
no skippy...these treaties are what is causing the fall of the White American. These treaties are outsourcing white americans' livelihoods, right under americans' noses. >:( :'(

VERY INTERESTING!!
what is the right opinion here?
Let's ask Chaim?
I can tell you who IS benefitting from these agreements. The American Business Elite. Them, and the world's "poor". Your and my jobs will be given to these "poor" turd worlders, benefitting the "poor", and ofcourse, the elite, whom now have cheap labour and lax labour standarts.

Another way of looking at it in more detail:

Due to Globalisation, governments will lose more and more control to international and regional organisations. Meaning governments will no longer be existent. The nation-state will also no longer be official, as all countries will be diffused into regional powers....eventually under one global government.

So therefore, the United States WILL fall.

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