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Adam, the first man on Earth.
Dr. Dan:
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--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 17, 2008, 09:34:28 PM ---Tzvi, if the world was only 6,000 years old we would not be able to see the stars since they are millions of light years away meaning it would take millions of years for the light from the stars to reach us so that we can see them. Carbon dating has been done on bones discovered and many date back much further back than 6,000 years as well. The "Days" of the Torah are not man days but G-d's days since the count starts before the sun was created.
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Not that I am taking a definite statement of time, etc, but why would us seeing stars be an obsticle for G-d to do? Anyway G-d is above time, etc. Either way I think that this subject is sensitive, and shouldn't be speculated by our opinions, (as if we know everything), maybe some of the more knowledgable (in Torah) might begin explain some things, and if someone gets let them feel free to post.
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bottom line is that Gd exists..and we shoudl do our part to be good people in this world.
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Good, and correct, but also as a good Jew for Jews.
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yes that too..but that is subject to interpretation of which you and I disagree with sort of.
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So then you officially do not concider yourself Orthodox?
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I'm a Sephardic Jew...we have no orthodox, conservative nor reform.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 17, 2008, 11:02:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 11:01:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 17, 2008, 10:58:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 09:44:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 17, 2008, 09:40:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 09:38:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 17, 2008, 09:34:28 PM ---Tzvi, if the world was only 6,000 years old we would not be able to see the stars since they are millions of light years away meaning it would take millions of years for the light from the stars to reach us so that we can see them. Carbon dating has been done on bones discovered and many date back much further back than 6,000 years as well. The "Days" of the Torah are not man days but G-d's days since the count starts before the sun was created.
--- End quote ---
Not that I am taking a definite statement of time, etc, but why would us seeing stars be an obsticle for G-d to do? Anyway G-d is above time, etc. Either way I think that this subject is sensitive, and shouldn't be speculated by our opinions, (as if we know everything), maybe some of the more knowledgable (in Torah) might begin explain some things, and if someone gets let them feel free to post.
--- End quote ---
bottom line is that Gd exists..and we shoudl do our part to be good people in this world.
--- End quote ---
Good, and correct, but also as a good Jew for Jews.
--- End quote ---
yes that too..but that is subject to interpretation of which you and I disagree with sort of.
--- End quote ---
So then you officially do not concider yourself Orthodox?
--- End quote ---
I'm a Sefardic Jew...we have no orthodox, conservative nor reform.
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Yea, but according to the tradition, do you concider it valid? for example a Sefardic Rav would say that you cant drive a car on Shabbat, or you cant use the computer, would you agree or you would concider it "open to interpretation"?
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 11:21:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 17, 2008, 11:02:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 11:01:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 17, 2008, 10:58:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 09:44:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 17, 2008, 09:40:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2008, 09:38:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 17, 2008, 09:34:28 PM ---Tzvi, if the world was only 6,000 years old we would not be able to see the stars since they are millions of light years away meaning it would take millions of years for the light from the stars to reach us so that we can see them. Carbon dating has been done on bones discovered and many date back much further back than 6,000 years as well. The "Days" of the Torah are not man days but G-d's days since the count starts before the sun was created.
--- End quote ---
Not that I am taking a definite statement of time, etc, but why would us seeing stars be an obsticle for G-d to do? Anyway G-d is above time, etc. Either way I think that this subject is sensitive, and shouldn't be speculated by our opinions, (as if we know everything), maybe some of the more knowledgable (in Torah) might begin explain some things, and if someone gets let them feel free to post.
--- End quote ---
bottom line is that Gd exists..and we shoudl do our part to be good people in this world.
--- End quote ---
Good, and correct, but also as a good Jew for Jews.
--- End quote ---
yes that too..but that is subject to interpretation of which you and I disagree with sort of.
--- End quote ---
So then you officially do not concider yourself Orthodox?
--- End quote ---
I'm a Sefardic Jew...we have no orthodox, conservative nor reform.
--- End quote ---
Yea, but according to the tradition, do you concider it valid? for example a Sefardic Rav would say that you cant drive a car on Shabbat, or you cant use the computer, would you agree or you would concider it "open to interpretation"?
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I'll simply say that every jew shoudl strive to be better Jews..if that includes not driving or using a computer on Shabbat, then every Jew shoudl strive not to do those things... Some have great will power..others don't. Those who do use a computer on Shabbat do not necessarily make them terrible people doomed to go to Hell forever...A murderer yes...
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 17, 2008, 09:34:28 PM ---Tzvi, if the world was only 6,000 years old we would not be able to see the stars since they are millions of light years away meaning it would take millions of years for the light from the stars to reach us so that we can see them. Carbon dating has been done on bones discovered and many date back much further back than 6,000 years as well. The "Days" of the Torah are not man days but G-d's days since the count starts before the sun was created.
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Not necessarily true what you're saying about the stars. I could just as easily tell you that G-d created the world with the light of the stars already extended to earth so we could benefit from them.
Too far fetched? Not any more far fetched than believing he created the stars in the first place.
Kiwi:
You know you all believe differently from each other, funny how you all read the same book, meant to believe the same way, but don't agree.
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