Intermarriage Banning Poll + Lecture

[Ulli]

Is it intermarriage, if in example a Catholic marries a Baptist?

[RationalThought110]

How about  rabbis who take part in that type of marriage scenario, lose their certification of being a rabbi.

[RationalThought110]

Whoever Voted 'No',  admit it.

[Ulli]

Whoever Voted 'No',  admit it.

I have voted no, because I believe that an intermarriage-law is only the right for the Jewish state Israel.

The Jews in the dispora should choose other ways to avoid intermarriage, like social pressure and education.

[mord]

Whoever Voted 'No',  admit it.

I did, what should i do check everyone and order people what to do?

[Kiwi]

Whoever Voted 'No',  admit it.

  no one has to admit anything.

[RationalThought110]

Whoever Voted 'No',  admit it.

I have voted no, because I believe that an intermarriage-law is only the right for the Jewish state Israel.

The Jews in the dispora should choose other ways to avoid intermarriage, like social pressure and education.

Maybe the author of the thread wasn't clear enough but he was referring to Jews making laws about Jews.  Such as having a law that rabbis would be prohibited from doing an intermarriage ceremony.

[Ulli]

Whoever Voted 'No',  admit it.

I have voted no, because I believe that an intermarriage-law is only the right for the Jewish state Israel.

The Jews in the dispora should choose other ways to avoid intermarriage, like social pressure and education.

Maybe the author of the thread wasn't clear enough but he was referring to Jews making laws about Jews.  Such as having a law that rabbis would be prohibited from doing an intermarriage ceremony.

Sorry

[OdKahaneChai]

It's only common sense that people of similar religions and cultures marry each other..

99.999% of the time whenever it is otherwise, it leads to disaster.

the .0001% that actually do it and succeed..well..I'll just .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% succeed...

So if you were to choose odds, you are better off goign with the same....

Not in this case, this is 100% horrible and diasterous, even if the child converts and becomes the biggest Rabbi in Israel. Please hear the video, you will understand.

Do I have to argue with you again over .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%?!

It's 99.9999999999999999999999999999% disastreous...ok? that's such an insignificant difference from 100%...

you have to have it your way or the highway right? Well, I'm not budging even .00000000000000000000000000000000001%!

Again, this isn't my way, or the way of the Rabbi, he is only quoting from G-d's Torah. So yes once again you are wrong (sorry to hurt your feelings, but even your .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is wrong according to the word of G-d.

Then I will disagree wtih Gd .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% or 10^-23%....

Then you ask people to respect you, and to make your opinions valid, as if its part of Judasim?

Tzvi, you are a religious nut..that's why..I'm not disagreeing with Gd..I'm disagreeing with your view on Judaism, Torah, and Gd...And I'm disagreeing with your arrogance because you act as if you are an authority to the Torah...you are as small as me in Gd's eyes..

Dan, I find it very hard to believe that you believe what you're saying.  I challenge you to find one Rabbi who would tell you that intermarriage is ok, even .0000000000000000000000001 percent of the time.  You are disagreeing with G-d.

Why do i say, "10^-23% of the time?"  Because there are a lot of children born from intermarried couples...yes we dont' like it... However, by saying we are 100% against, we are claiming that those people born to intermarried couples have no right to live...So please spare me!

I would never let my own children intermarry nor shoudl any Jew. The point I'm trying to make with this 100% thing is that there are already people who exist with living offspring from these intermarraiges..and by claiming 100%, you discount their lives.

What?  How is saying that I'm against intermarriages 100% of the time saying that the children from said couples don't have a right to live?

[Dan]

I would need to know what exactly does intermarriage mean... between different religious backgrounds or what?

[OdKahaneChai]

How about  rabbis who take part in that type of marriage scenario, lose their certification of being a rabbi.

That wouldn't be a problem, because no Rabbi would ever do such a thing.

[OdKahaneChai]

I would need to know what exactly does intermarriage mean... between different religious backgrounds or what?

Marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew.

[Dr. Dan]

"Why do i say, "10^-23% of the time?"  Because there are a lot of children born from intermarried couples...yes we dont' like it... However, by saying we are 100% against, we are claiming that those people born to intermarried couples have no right to live...So please spare me!

I would never let my own children intermarry nor shoudl any Jew. The point I'm trying to make with this 100% thing is that there are already people who exist with living offspring from these intermarraiges..and by claiming 100%, you discount their lives."

So, cheating is allowed? even if its .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000001 %  ?
 beacause if we say no, and the child (who is a mamzer) might be offended?
 Stop making your own rules, and "being nice" , lets stick to the rules of G-d and not be reform.

Mamzer?! i wasn't talkign about cheating..I was talking about honest people who have already intermarried and have children and have happy lives...

Talk about changing the subject...Let's stick to this one about intermarriage.

[Dr. Dan]

Is it intermarriage, if in example a Catholic marries a Baptist?

It depends on the catholic and baptist...

Here, we are referring to Jews marrying non-Jews.

[Dr. Dan]

I admit that I said no..because the question is NOT clear to me...Ban intermarriage of whom and where in this world?

If the law of the land followed enforced Torah law, then intermarriage of a Jew to a non-Jew is automatically forbidden by the rule itself..so the question is moot and this poll is retarded, no offense Yaacov.  It's not up to me to decide the law..the law is the law, I have to follow it.

In the USA, it woudl be unlawful for what this country stands for to make intermarriage illegal. Because this country is not a country that bases itself after a specific theology. Citizens can make a rule within their own families to forbid intermarraige.  I know I would enforce it within my own home.  I would hope all Jews would forbid their children to intermarry.

Now, some slip through the cracks and the vast majority lose themselves almost forever from the Jewish community.  It's a horrible thing and therefore I would strongly forbid it in my own home and highly recommend other Jews to avoid it.

There is a teeny tiny tiny teeny fraction that actually get away with having a viable marriage with viable children who dont' lose their way and in fact become great Jews and great people...Don't ask me how..I have seen it happen. But like I said, basically hardly ever...I don't like the odds.

Likewise, didn't Moses marry a Midianite woman. Midianites are not Jews... So please explain this. Certainly, non of us are Moses, but if it is 100% forbidden and not close to a 100% by a fraction that is negligable, then aren't we defaming Moses?

[Dan]

how about if a non Jew marries a Jew and the non Jew converts to Judaism in the process... or vice versa?

[Dr. Dan]

How about  rabbis who take part in that type of marriage scenario, lose their certification of being a rabbi.

I feel that Rabbis should not grant these intermarriage scenarios..I get sick in the stomach when i see it happen.

[Dr. Dan]

It's only common sense that people of similar religions and cultures marry each other..

99.999% of the time whenever it is otherwise, it leads to disaster.

the .0001% that actually do it and succeed..well..I'll just .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% succeed...

So if you were to choose odds, you are better off goign with the same....

Not in this case, this is 100% horrible and diasterous, even if the child converts and becomes the biggest Rabbi in Israel. Please hear the video, you will understand.

Do I have to argue with you again over .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%?!

It's 99.9999999999999999999999999999% disastreous...ok? that's such an insignificant difference from 100%...

you have to have it your way or the highway right? Well, I'm not budging even .00000000000000000000000000000000001%!

Again, this isn't my way, or the way of the Rabbi, he is only quoting from G-d's Torah. So yes once again you are wrong (sorry to hurt your feelings, but even your .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is wrong according to the word of G-d.

Then I will disagree wtih Gd .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% or 10^-23%....

Then you ask people to respect you, and to make your opinions valid, as if its part of Judasim?

Tzvi, you are a religious nut..that's why..I'm not disagreeing with Gd..I'm disagreeing with your view on Judaism, Torah, and Gd...And I'm disagreeing with your arrogance because you act as if you are an authority to the Torah...you are as small as me in Gd's eyes..

Dan, I find it very hard to believe that you believe what you're saying.  I challenge you to find one Rabbi who would tell you that intermarriage is ok, even .0000000000000000000000001 percent of the time.  You are disagreeing with G-d.

Why do i say, "10^-23% of the time?"  Because there are a lot of children born from intermarried couples...yes we dont' like it... However, by saying we are 100% against, we are claiming that those people born to intermarried couples have no right to live...So please spare me!

I would never let my own children intermarry nor shoudl any Jew. The point I'm trying to make with this 100% thing is that there are already people who exist with living offspring from these intermarraiges..and by claiming 100%, you discount their lives.

What?  How is saying that I'm against intermarriages 100% of the time saying that the children from said couples don't have a right to live?

   You didn't...

What I'm trying to say with my percentage which might as well be 0% is that sometimes you can't stop a destiny from taking place...you can punish and you can disown and you can hate and you can scream and yell and you can put in jail etc etc...if two people of the opposite sex are goign to get together and stay together no matter what and then they end up having viable children who end up being decent people and great Jews which RARELY happens, you really can't say exactly 100%, but you can say close to it.

I added something else before this too...so i won't bother rewriting it.

[Dr. Dan]

How about  rabbis who take part in that type of marriage scenario, lose their certification of being a rabbi.

That wouldn't be a problem, because no Rabbi would ever do such a thing.

Real rabbis wouldn't.

[Dr. Dan]

how about if a non Jew marries a Jew and the non Jew converts to Judaism in the process... or vice versa?

It depends how genuine the converting person is..If someone is converting to Judaism to get married to a Jew, then it's wrong. A lot of people get away with this.
If someone is like Mills, and is genuine in her conversion and is converting and doing a great job of it, then that's just as good as a jew marrying a jew.

[Dr. Dan]

damn you..you moved it here again!

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Likewise, didn't Moses marry a Midianite woman. Midianites are not Jews... So please explain this. Certainly, non of us are Moses, but if it is 100% forbidden and not close to a 100% by a fraction that is negligable, then aren't we defaming Moses?

  , I told you a looong time, that if you would watch the video posted, then ALL of your questions would allready be answered.
 What you said was exactly what Zimri the prince from the Tribe of Shimon said, when he took the Midianite women, Moshe remained silent and he went to the tent and had relations with that women, then comes Pinhas, takes a spear and kills both of them, and is Blessed by G-d to be a special Kohen.  (the difference between Moshe and the rest is that she converted properly).

[Dr. Dan]

Likewise, didn't Moses marry a Midianite woman. Midianites are not Jews... So please explain this. Certainly, non of us are Moses, but if it is 100% forbidden and not close to a 100% by a fraction that is negligable, then aren't we defaming Moses?

  , I told you a looong time, that if you would watch the video posted, then ALL of your questions would allready be answered.
 What you said was exactly what Zimri the prince from the Tribe of Shimon said, when he took the Midianite women, Moshe remained silent and he went to the tent and had relations with that women, then comes Pinhas, takes a spear and kills both of them, and is Blessed by G-d to be a special Kohen.  (the difference between Moshe and the rest is that she converted properly).

Wait i'm confused...

Pinhas killed Moses's wife?  Or Zimri tried to imitate Moses and Pinhas killed his wife? say it again...this is interesting.

[Maccabi]

I think this was sort of a unique situation. I could be wrong and may not have the story correct...

But didn't an enemy (was it Baalam?) send a gaggle of Midianite hookers to get dolled up and tempt the men of Israel?

I think maybe this case would be different from one where a Jew and non-Jew met regularly.

The specific set up of the Midianite women in the Pinchas story was from the beginning a plot to kill Jews.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Likewise, didn't Moses marry a Midianite woman. Midianites are not Jews... So please explain this. Certainly, non of us are Moses, but if it is 100% forbidden and not close to a 100% by a fraction that is negligable, then aren't we defaming Moses?

  , I told you a looong time, that if you would watch the video posted, then ALL of your questions would allready be answered.
 What you said was exactly what Zimri the prince from the Tribe of Shimon said, when he took the Midianite women, Moshe remained silent and he went to the tent and had relations with that women, then comes Pinhas, takes a spear and kills both of them, and is Blessed by G-d to be a special Kohen.  (the difference between Moshe and the rest is that she converted properly).

Wait i'm confused...

Pinhas killed Moses's wife?  Or Zimri tried to imitate Moses and Pinhas killed his wife? say it again...this is interesting.

Pinhas killed Zimri and his midianite non-Jewish women who he was having relations with. If you are really interested then listin to the whole lecture. (also the other one named - Pinhas Gan Eden Baal Tishuva, which also deals with it).