Does Europe’s Holocaust Guilt Benefit the Islamists?

[Ambiorix]

Does Europe’s Holocaust Guilt Benefit the Islamists?
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2887
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Tue, 2008-01-22 11:29
A quote from a comment at the Gates of Vienna blog, 20 January 2008

I am reminded me of a conversation I had with a Finnish academic a few years ago, who drew a similar comparison between how Europe is currently behaving now, and how Jews in Europe behaved to the coming Nazi danger in the 30's. The academic stated that a people who are publicly targeted for violence have extreme difficulty in believing that the words of violence being directed against them, could possibly reflect the true intentions of those who are working towards their inevitable destruction.

It is mentally too difficult of a thought to process and to accept.

It explains why many Jews refused to leave Germany or from other parts of Europe, in spite of the anti-Semitism and instances of violent acts of savagery being directed against them. When approaching doom appears inevitable, especially over a long period of time, the subject will more than likely choose to reject that reality, and replace it with something more acceptable. "It can't be real, so therefore it is not".

Ironically, it's a part of our human psychological make up to help us mentally survive, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will help us to survive physically. What is happening throughout Europe is a collective shutting of the eye, a self inflicted blindness, a form of self delusion and denial on such a grand scale, that it's is keeping us from clearly seeing the approaching danger.

What makes the fight against Islamism and the eventual Islamization of Europe a much more difficult phenomenon to tackle, is the guilt factor that Europe bears in regards to its genocide of Jews and other minorities during WWII. European guilt over the Jewish Holocaust is a both a correct and direct manifestation of European acceptance of the atrocities that were done in the name of Europe.

But ironically, it is that same European guilt over the Jewish Holocaust, which is now being used by the Islamists, – regardless of whether they are of the violent version or not – for their own advantage and to the detriment of Europe. It is furthering the process of Europe's eventual entrance into the "Dar al-Islam", or the House of Islam.

[mord]

YES I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE EUROPEANS USE THE HOLOCAUST AS AN EXCUSE FOR ALLOWING MOSLEMS TO  DO AS THEY PLEASE

[Husar]

You could see the benefits for muSSlims,
in the very BOMBING of Serbia, when NAZI BoSSnian muSSlims
were compared (!!!) to the Jewish Victims of the Holocaust !!!

 

[mord]

Yes this is very true

[JTFFan]

You could see the benefits for muSSlims,
in the very BOMBING of Serbia, when NAZI BoSSnian muSSlims
were compared (!!!) to the Jewish Victims of the Holocaust !!!

 

 

!!!!

[2honest]

In my eyes it is absolutely true that muslim fundamentalists exploit the Holocaust for their purposes. We see that as soon as you criticize Islam or for example oppose new mosques being built they start crying: Oh this is discrimination, you treat us like the Jews in the Holocaust, we demand freedom of religion and so on. This is going on worldwide.
But not only islamists do that.

As mad as it is the Holocaust is even used against Israel. Remember the cartoons in western media after the "massacre" in Jenin in 2002? Newspapers directly compared Jenin to the ghettos in Warschau. The implication was that Jenin was as bad as what the Nazis did to the Jews in Warschau/Poland. Unbelievable nonsense!

But lets take a look at Germany. Everybody knows that Germany has a special burden and a special responsibility because of what happend in the past. This is why muslim leaders know they can make rising demands in Germany. Everytime someone opposes them you hear: Oh thats racism. And it works because in Germany you are not allowed to say something against aliens and defend our own culture because very quickly someone (often leftwing politicians) will blame you of being a neo-nazi.

In the last couple of weeks there were some news about crimes from youths of Turkish/Arab origin in the media. Slowly it's getting better but we still have a long way to go until you can say the truth without being labeled a racist.

[mord]

But without this guilt by Germany it could become normal and stop giving into moslems

[2honest]

But without this guilt by Germany it could become normal and stop giving into moslems

Depends on what you understand by normal, but at least we could be a little more confident.
But anyway I would prefer if Europe had more confidence because it's sick to sit back and watch how Europe gets islamized.

But in regard to Germany I think its even more. Because of the holocaust the left in Germany hates their own culture and their own country. They hate it so much that they admire Islam and some would even be glad if Islam and sharia law took over. Then they still would say: Look how tolerant we are. But in reality its nothing less than hate towards their own German identity.
As a German you can not say I'm proud to be German. I dont demand that. But why dont we start with I like my country, or at least with There are aspects of my country that I may like. How about that? Is that a crime?

And I want to mention that I like my country does not mean I like everthing Germany did in the past, certainly not!
But in my eyes it should be possible to realise that Germans did unforgivable things without at the same time sink into complete self-hatred and give Germany to Islamic law.   

Whats your view on that?

[mord]

I agree 100% a country is like a person too much guilt can cause harm to a country or a person.Yes it's o.k. to remember but if my Grandfather or Great Grandfather did something bad [the did'nt do anything bad] how can i if i'm a good person be to blame.

[Ambiorix]

¿¿ Does anyone believe that the Holocaust is being misused as a tool to stab the Jews in the back??

1/ to link them with the gays that went to the death-camps. (Jews perceived as victims , just as (bad as ) gays, ...)
2/ to link them with muslims, that need to be destroyed here (but <<the Jews and their lobby want to help the muslims to destabilise the Western World>>
3/ to cultivate the idea of the <<good (but dead) eternal victim-Jew, the poor ...>>
and to link this with the bad and nazi Zionists of today that kill <<good (but dead) eternal victim-Palis>>,... just as Jews in the camps,...
4/ to revive the conspiracy-lies, the so-called protocols of Zion, the <<grip on the media>> and just many others,...
5/ by 1,2,3,4 to create new anti-semitism, in order to create a hostile atmosphere everywhere against Jews.

[mord]

¿¿ Does anyone believe that the Holocaust is being misused as a tool to stab the Jews in the back??

1/ to link them with the gays that went to the death-camps. (Jews perceived as victims , just as (bad as ) gays, ...)
2/ to link them with muslims, that need to be destroyed here (but <<the Jews and their lobby want to help the muslims to destabilise the Western World>>
3/ to cultivate the idea of the <<good (but dead) eternal victim-Jew, the poor ...>>
and to link this with the bad and nazi Zionists of today that kill <<good (but dead) eternal victim-Palis>>,... just as Jews in the camps,...
4/ to revive the conspiracy-lies, the so-called protocols of Zion, the <<grip on the media>> and just many others,...
5/ by 1,2,3,4 to create new anti-semitism, in order to create a hostile atmosphere everywhere against Jews.

Yes the Europeans use the Holocaust  as an excuse to allow moslems to do what they wish

[EagleEye]

It's hard to say.  Some people view Muslims as an oppressed group, and others view them as similar to the nazis.  Because most countries have laws that prevent holocaust denial, I would say it is evident that the holocaust is a considered force in contemporary European politics.

Furthermore, "Europe" in general has no reason to feel guilty over the holocaust.  I reject the concept of "bystander guilt."  Only the countries who directly caused it should feel guilty.  I also reject the concept of generation-maintained guilt.  There is no reason Europeans today, even if they lived in countries that have a history with the holocaust, should still feel guilty.  We live in a new world.  There's no reason to judge countries based on the way they were over 60 years ago.  The memory of the holocaust should not be destroyed, but the new world should not be confused with the old one.

Logically "Europeans" should not think this way, but I would bet that quite a few have taken up this line of thought.  Too many people fall for appeals to pity over appeals to logic.  They are emotional and caring, therefore they are easily manipulated and controlled.  There are too many drama queens in the world, and there are too many weak lemmings in the world who don't challenge the status quo and allow emotion to override solid deductive reasoning.

[Ulli]

The only lesson I learned from the holocaust is to try by my best to be righteous.

This ideologies, namely Nazism, Islam and Socialism pretend to build the best society on earth. But through them came and is coming nameless horror to the world.

We have to remember the millions over millions of murdered Jews and Gentiles.

If muslimes, who openly colloborated and are colloborating with Nazis during the years and today, call the people who stand against them Nazis, it is absurd.

Never again!

[Ultra Requete]

Well I don't like the term European there's no such state, nation or race atleast yet.. It's like mixing Argentinians with Canadians becouse both are white and live in America. The mayority of nazis were European aside from A-rab ones; but they were more of them fighting against Shitler than for him... And Holocuast happened only in satelite countries or ocupied by III Reich, The Jews from Alied and neutral countries survived the war. If the Alies woud loose G-d forbid the Holocaust woud occur in US or Canada too...
Big buisness such as BASF former IG Farben, Duetche Bahn or Deutche Bank directly profited from Holocaust so they're still responible for their victims, And German state is legal contunuetor of nazi III Reich but bombing them after taking money woud be not fair. Hovewer not nazi Germans born after war are inocent.

BTW Islamists were and are nazi themselfs! who ever apologise them is creating new Holocaust and WW. And fragmented Germany as in before 1870 woud better for all its neighbours, Jews and Germans.