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Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« on: January 29, 2008, 11:25:12 PM »
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 11:32:18 PM »
In McCain's victory speech he said something like he's " a conservative now, just like he was a conservative" back some time in the past, and all of his supporters wildly applauded him.  What idiots. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 11:33:53 PM »
As long as there is one Conservative left in this country hope is not lost......
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 11:35:32 PM »
Is he not better then Hillary? We will never truly win, we must support the lesser of two evils. If the election is McCain vs. Hitlery, not one self respecting JTFer will vote for any other then McCain.
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 11:36:36 PM »
Conservatism began to slowly die after WWII was over when people actually had American pride. 
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 11:39:03 PM »
Is he not better then Hillary? We will never truly win, we must support the lesser of two evils. If the election is McCain vs. Hitlery, not one self respecting JTFer will vote for any other then McCain.

Of course we should vote McCain.  I'm just afraid that true conservatives will be too disgusted to vote for him.  I've already heard the similar sentiment expressed from many people that if McCain wins the republican nomination they're going to sit out the election.  I'm also afraid that there won't be a strong turnout because not many conservatives are going to be excited about him.  I hope all the Independents will balance that out. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2008, 11:41:25 PM »
Anyone who sits out is a moron, and they are conceding the election to Stalin reincarnated into the body of an evil woman.
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 11:42:15 PM »
A flakey presidential candidate may mean more conservative congressmen get elected.

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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2008, 11:46:00 PM »
No stinking way: http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2008, 11:48:36 PM »
I will sit out if McCain gets the nomination.

I do not think he is much different than Hillary or Obama and I don't think he would be any better. Actually I think he would be WORSE. People know what extreme leftists those two are, so republicans would resist alot of their policies. But McCain, because he is a republican, he would be able to push these same evil policies through because many republicans would be reluctant to oppose them and democrats would support them. I would much rather republicans wake up everyday frightened of what Hillary or Obama might do than with a false sense of security under a President McCain.

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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 11:51:08 PM »
Look at bills he has supported. He is by no means a good candidate, but he is far better then Hillary or Osama. Why waste your vote?
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 11:55:30 PM »
I'm not voting this election. I'm tired of playing this game of who is the lesser of two evils. The only way I'll even consider voting is if Obama wins the Democrat nomination, God forbid. Otherwise I'm throwing in the towel.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2008, 11:57:09 PM »
What good does that do? Your "point" will not be heard. The candidates dont care if you dont vote, but We are harmed.
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2008, 12:00:01 AM »
Look at bills he has supported. He is by no means a good candidate, but he is far better then Hillary or Osama. Why waste your vote?

Because I think he is more dangerous than Hillary or Obama. He will be like Sharon. He will be able to push evil policies through government because of his repubation, on behalf of the left, that otherwise would be resisted by conservatives.

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2008, 12:02:01 AM »
I'm shocked that any of you or anyone for that matter would rather concede victory to Hillary or Obama during this critical time.  IRAN IS ON THE PRECIPICE OF GETTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS and you're just going to sit back and let Barack Obama get elected?  He doesn't even need to run two terms, just four years and Iran will have nukes.  At least we know that McCain will never let Iran get nukes and that he takes a strong stance against terrorism.  Even if all his other policies are identical to Obama or Clinton, at least we know that we can count on him for those two fundamental issues. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2008, 12:03:01 AM »
Exactly! all his ads here in florida are talking about stopping Islamic Terrorism!
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2008, 12:10:08 AM »
No he doesn't all his ads are about "Radical Islamic Extremism" that has nothing to do with Islam blah blah blah. Just a load of PC Islam is a great religion of peace BS. He wants to continue the war in Iraq, killing US soldiers, to help create a government controled by the Shia ruled by Sharia law that will be an ally of Iran. I don't have confidence that he will do anything about Iran. That is what people said about Bush in the last election and what has he done? Absolutely nothing. His Iraq and Iran ideas will come into conflict because attacking Iran would destabilize Iraq and undo the alledge gains of his "surge."

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2008, 12:12:02 AM »
Have you ever seen the south florida ads?they dont make ANY excuses for Islam. They say we must fight against the terrorists.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2008, 12:24:03 AM »
No I haven't I am in NY. But everytime I see him on TV talking about the subject he always refers to it as "Radical Islamic Extremism." He thinks that Jihad is somehow a perversion of Islam, he does not understand the nature of the threat from the Jihadists at all. If he did he wouldn't be supporting Sharia regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2008, 08:55:28 AM »

Better the Democrats win this election than a RINO (Republican In Name Only) like McCain. That way, when Hitlery or Osama wreck the country, it will be the Democrats that will be blamed for it, and they will be voted out of the White House and Congress in 2012.

McCain wins and the same thing will happen because he is a Democrat for all intents and purposes, he will do the same thing as the Democrats, and cause the same damage, except it will be the Conservatives that get blamed.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2008, 10:19:17 AM »
Is he not better then Hillary? We will never truly win, we must support the lesser of two evils. If the election is McCain vs. Hitlery, not one self respecting JTFer will vote for any other then McCain.

Of course we should vote McCain.  I'm just afraid that true conservatives will be too disgusted to vote for him.  I've already heard the similar sentiment expressed from many people that if McCain wins the republican nomination they're going to sit out the election.  I'm also afraid that there won't be a strong turnout because not many conservatives are going to be excited about him.  I hope all the Independents will balance that out. 
I will vote for Hitlery over that treacherous animal any day. I prefer an avowed Democratic Nazi over one who practices taqqiyah.

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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2008, 10:20:42 AM »
McCain supporters are Ron Paul supporters lite.

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2008, 10:24:49 AM »
Remember that very vital 13% that went to Huckabee how important it would of been if it went to Romney.  And it is not impressive finishing 4th.  It helps McCain.  Stupid people with their stupid wasted votes.
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Re: Conservatism is almost officially dead in the US
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2008, 12:12:29 PM »
It's Bush's fault.  The media always portrayed him as a conservative.  Thus, as most people are unhappy with stuff that he's done, they think the way to reject Bush is to reject a conservative.

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2008, 12:17:48 PM »
In McCain's victory speech he said something like he's " a conservative now, just like he was a conservative" back some time in the past, and all of his supporters wildly applauded him.  What idiots. 

Most of McCain's support does not come from conservatives. 

McCain got some votes from conservatives because not all of them vote based on issues.  Among conservatives who actually vote for him, it's because they're not voting on issues.  Some people vote for him because they like his "straight talk" and the media has convinced them that he's the most "electable" GOP candidate. 


Florida's governor is popular.  Polls showed that among people who said that the endorsement by the governor was a factor in their decision, they voted for McCain about 54% to 24%.