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newman:

--- Quote from: Cohen on February 11, 2008, 12:30:49 PM ---
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--- Quote from: Cohen on February 11, 2008, 12:07:13 PM ---I was going to buy a Mossberg 590 shotgun, any objections?

Also on bolt action, I been meaning to get a few (Mosin-Nagant, is that the same as the M44?)

I've heard Arisaka Type 38 was one of the finest made bolt action rifles ever made, the only problem is that the ammo is rare for it, I think they converted a few to 8mm though.

The Mauser KAR98k from my understanding is a very reliable weapon as well, a friend of mine owned an original with a US Armory stamp on the barrel, looked like it was taken off a dead Nazi soldier as it still has the eagle with the swastika on the rifle. I shot a few rounds through it, very accurate.

I don't have a whole lot of experience with bolt actions.

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I owned a 500 Mossberg and they're a good gun at a good price. I just mentioned the Maverick because they are essentially a Mossberg and they're $185 (less at Walmart) brand new.

If you want real quality you might look at the Remington 870 Police.........NOT the express, but the Police model. It's a milled steel reciever and all HD metal parts. The mossbergs are alloy recievers and plastic trigger groups.

The Ithaca 37 M&P shotguns are being made again, too. Not cheap but the Rolls Royce of combat scatterguns.

Are you confusing the oddball jap type 38 with the renowned Swedish M38 Mausser? I know the Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55 are considered to be works of art and shoot MOA out of the box. Harly used either coz Swedes don't fight.

I owned an Israeli Kar 98k Mauser. It had been rebarrelled by FN or IMI with a chrome-lined barrel in .308 (NATO), had a new stock, too. Only original part was the reciever but boy could it shoot! Head shots at 200 yards with standard iron sights and I'm not an A-grade shot!

Problem with Mausers now days is the ammo. 8mm stuff ain't cheap anymore. Years ago you could buy it by the can at under 10 cents a round.

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Nope, dead serious about the Arisakas, there were stress tests done on them and they were renowned for being one of the strongest bolt action rifles ever made, even stronger than the KAR98.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arisaka

here is more information about the specific rifle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_38_rifle

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That's interesting.

The trick to buying surplus rifles is to buy according to the ammo prices.

They come in runs of about 3 to 7 years. When there was dirt cheap 7.65 stuff you bought Argentine Mausers at $99 and ammo at $40/500 rd can (or something rediculously cheap).

Arisaka 6.5mm had a run like that in the 60s or 70s, as did most of the surplus stuff.

30-06 and 8mm mauser ammo was cheap for decades because there was so much of it. Drying up now, though. The 7.62x54 Nagant ammo is still cheap but going up.

 If you're smart get 10,000 rounds of good quality, non-corrosive Hungarian surplus for $79/440 rd can before that b*tch Hillary bans foreign ammo imports in 2009. Excellent rifles are $69-$89 a piece. Buy half a dozen and learn how to cache (bury) weapons/ammo.

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