Should tobacco products be banned?

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

You when I first started my job I was told to smoke it killed the pathogens in the air, then I worked in Oncology, and major medical personnel smoked, and then other things and bang I am in pallative where 9 times out of 10 people who have lung ca DIDN'T smoke.

Now two days ago I signed a paper to have a life support switched off a relative of mine. He was 43 and did all the right things...........

Wheres the reason in all of that.

Blaming the smokes is just PC thing to do.
   

[newman]

You when I first started my job I was told to smoke it killed the pathogens in the air, then I worked in Oncology, and major medical personnel smoked, and then other things and bang I am in pallative where 9 times out of 10 people who have lung ca DIDN'T smoke.

Now two days ago I signed a paper to have a life support switched off a relative of mine. He was 43 and did all the right things...........

Wheres the reason in all of that.

Blaming the smokes is just PC thing to do.
   

Exactly.

It's like liberals blaming guns for all their failed social policy over 40 years.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Another reply to MassuhD:  "...you are just as bad as Rabbi Ovadia Yosef who thinks that giving land to the Arabs for Peace will save Jewish lives!..."

This "Rabbi"...does he smoke too?

[Dr. Dan]

Another reply to MassuhD:  "...you are just as bad as Rabbi Ovadia Yosef who thinks that giving land to the Arabs for Peace will save Jewish lives!..."

This "Rabbi"...does he smoke too?

He smokes your dingaling

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

Another reply to MassuhD:  "...you are just as bad as Rabbi Ovadia Yosef who thinks that giving land to the Arabs for Peace will save Jewish lives!..."

This "Rabbi"...does he smoke too?

He smokes your dingaling

Arrrrgggghhhhhh Doc are you quite sure thats how you want that sentence to read 

[Boeregeneraal]

There are tobacco products that are used for legitimate means. As for cigarettes, YES. And that's a capital letter YES! Cigarettes should be completely banned!

They destroy the lives of the users, but also those around them...their children, and people see others smoking, and might leed them to smoke. We ban people from using maurijana and other deadly products, and yet we allow people to kill themselfs by using cigarettes. I believe that Judaism should actively be for these views, as it is said so in the Torah.

[newman]

When everything that can be construed as dangerous has been banned we WILL be living in a socialist dictatorship.

Conservatives believe in free-choice for the law abiding, not compulsion.

[Boeregeneraal]

When everything that can be construed as dangerous has been banned we WILL be living in a socialist dictatorship.

Conservatives believe in free-choice for the law abiding, not compulsion.

but Newman, humans have a tendancy to take the stray path. Look at MOSSAD's motto. The early Israeli's needed a strong leader, Moses, and stricts laws and punishment to the people. When Moses and the law was not present...


ALSO, when one smokes, one kills the persons beside you (passive smoking).

[newman]

When everything that can be construed as dangerous has been banned we WILL be living in a socialist dictatorship.

Conservatives believe in free-choice for the law abiding, not compulsion.

but Newman, humans have a tendancy to take the stray path. Look at MOSSAD's motto. The early Israeli's needed a strong leader, Moses, and stricts laws and punishment to the people. When Moses and the law was not present...


ALSO, when one smokes, one kills the persons beside you (passive smoking).

Concerns about passive smoking do not justify a ban on cigarettes. I live alone. NOBODY is affected by my smoking, so there is no justification for banning cigarettes.

They've proven that meat cooked on open flames causes cancer. Should BBQs be banned, too?

[Boeregeneraal]

When everything that can be construed as dangerous has been banned we WILL be living in a socialist dictatorship.

Conservatives believe in free-choice for the law abiding, not compulsion.

but Newman, humans have a tendancy to take the stray path. Look at MOSSAD's motto. The early Israeli's needed a strong leader, Moses, and stricts laws and punishment to the people. When Moses and the law was not present...


ALSO, when one smokes, one kills the persons beside you (passive smoking).

Concerns about passive smoking do not justify a ban on cigarettes. I live alone. NOBODY is affected by my smoking, so there is no justification for banning cigarettes.

They've proven that meat cooked on open flames causes cancer. Should BBQs be banned, too?

ofcourse not! But it's murder whenever one lights a cigarette! Not only are you killing yourself, but those around you...that poisonous smoke will defuse in your house, and eventually exit it. So, you don't mind living right next to an extremeley polluting factory?

I am sure you wish you never smoked, right? Imagine if there were no cigarettes on the shelves in the first place...imagine 18yr old's never having to look down the barrel of a cigarette?

[newman]

When everything that can be construed as dangerous has been banned we WILL be living in a socialist dictatorship.

Conservatives believe in free-choice for the law abiding, not compulsion.

but Newman, humans have a tendancy to take the stray path. Look at MOSSAD's motto. The early Israeli's needed a strong leader, Moses, and stricts laws and punishment to the people. When Moses and the law was not present...


ALSO, when one smokes, one kills the persons beside you (passive smoking).

Concerns about passive smoking do not justify a ban on cigarettes. I live alone. NOBODY is affected by my smoking, so there is no justification for banning cigarettes.

They've proven that meat cooked on open flames causes cancer. Should BBQs be banned, too?

ofcourse not! But it's murder whenever one lights a cigarette! Not only are you killing yourself, but those around you...that poisonous smoke will defuse in your house, and eventually exit it. So, you don't mind living right next to an extremeley polluting factory?

I am sure you wish you never smoked, right? Imagine if there were no cigarettes on the shelves in the first place...imagine 18yr old's never having to look down the barrel of a cigarette?

Those arguments are irrellevent to a free society.

I can make a case for banning any number of things.

Eating fatty meat shortens ones life. Does a government have the right to dictate our diet?

Walking outdoors in winter without a scarf and jacket can lead to pneumonia. Does a government have a right to tell us to 'rug up'?

Read the words of one of the Wests great thinkers on matters of government/ society versus the individual.

John Stuart Mill (20 May 1806 – 8 May 1873), British philosopher, political economist, civil servant and Member of Parliament, was an influential liberal thinker of the 19th century.

The harm principle is articulated most clearly in John Stuart Mill's On Liberty, though it is also articulated in John Locke's Second Treatise of Government and in the work of Wilhelm von Humboldt, to whom Mill is obliged and discusses at length.

The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right... The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.

[Dr. Dan]

I agree with Newman.

for similar reasons and some of his reasoning i don't agree with...

[Sarah]

Ever tried the candy cigerrettes where light dusted sugar comes out the other end when you puff. 

They had chocolate cigarettes wrapped in white & brown paper that looked real when I was a kid. They were really hard to peal so I used to eat the paper & all.

In nusery we used to have an orange peel eating contest, whoever won got to always go to the front of the line to get on the slide.

Smoking is bad for your health.
Though so are most take-aways and sugary cakes.

Don't encourage them but don't ban them. If people want to have them, then it is their choice.

I think if you ban all these things, people will forget how to learn for themselves.

You cannot say that smoking affects others while bad eating doesn't, everything contributes to society. We just hear about more affects then others.

[Dr. Dan]

Cigarettes should be discouraged and i'm for keeping smoking cigarettes soemthing people can do in the privacy of their own home if they choose not by into their warnings. However, an all out ban is a terrible thing to do.

[mord]

If you ban then people will ring them in from other countries people will be holding up liquor stores to buy a pack for50 dollars..ban liquor stores

[cjd]

I enjoy a good hand made cigar or pipe from time to time. I always smoke when I am on my own out of doors or where it will not bother anyone else. I think people need to be educated on how bad smoking is for the smoker and the people around them. Banning tobacco is not the answer since it will only make it a forbidden fruit. I have always been lucky in the fact that I can smoke today and then not bother with it for weeks and months. People who can't do this should avoid getting started on tobacco products. If you smoke its best to cut down or stop. If you don't smoke don't start!

[newman]

If you ban then people will ring them in from other countries people will be holding up liquor stores to buy a pack for50 dollars..ban liquor stores

Good point, Mord.

The mafioso wiseguys would LOVE a ban on tobacco. The last time America indulged in nation, puritanical stupidity was prohibition........ and look how it turned out. It didn't stop drinking but it took the mafia from being local, two bit standover guys to being a billion dollar national corporation.

[Boeregeneraal]

If you ban then people will ring them in from other countries people will be holding up liquor stores to buy a pack for50 dollars..ban liquor stores

but if there is no poison in the first place, people won't need to steal for money for poison. Those that are caught selling cigarettes, are tried just as those selling drugs...charge of murder = death sentence!  That way people won't dear to sell it.

Those hat try to smuggle it in (the top crime bosses in foreign nations), will be dealt with MOSSAD way. So if you f with my people...we will seek you out and take you out (Eichmann sort of scenarios).

[newman]

If you ban then people will ring them in from other countries people will be holding up liquor stores to buy a pack for50 dollars..ban liquor stores

but if there is no poison in the first place, people won't need to steal for money for poison. Those that are caught selling cigarettes, are tried just as those selling drugs...charge of murder = death sentence!  That way people won't dear to sell it.

Boer,

You're falling into the same fantasy as the gun control crowd.....thinking that bans will work.

Booze banned in 1920s/30s......................failed.

Pot banned.....................failed

Smack, speed, meths etc banned........................failed.


What makes you think banning tobacco will do anything more than banning the above (ie: create another expensive underground criminal enterprise)?

[Boeregeneraal]

because a new government will be required, a RIGHEOUS government that will completely restructure society. A society that is basically one big community. People will understand that smoking kills just as much as heroin does...just a longer live expectancy. A society where cigarette sellers and bosses are frowned upon if not hated, as people will see those people as killling their own blood. Because you know what, it's long-term murder. Government will strongly punish those braking the law (death) which in itself is enough to deter small and medium potential law breakers. As for those trying to make a market from overseas...a strong government intelligence agency will take care of those foreign killers...Think eichmann. But, government will provide the absolute best in psychological and medical rehailitation to those that are addicted to their own suicide-including bringing in people from overseas to help council the people. The next generation will not see cigarettes on the shelves, wont see their parents hooked on, and as such, they simply won't want to kill themselves.

It can be done....I love my people, and will not stand by seeing them being killed!

Also, appart from being addicted to death, they won't want to smoke, because as was said, society will be structured into a stress free society.

I will not see my people killed!!!

[newman]

because a new government will be required, a RIGHEOUS government that will completely restructure society. A society that is basically one big community. ..............

Government will strongly punish those braking the law (death) which in itself is enough to deter small and medium potential law breakers. ..............

But, government will provide the absolute best in psychological and medical rehailitation to those that are addicted to their own suicide-

It can be done....

..............society will be structured into a stress free society.

You're scaring me. The above is straight out of a liberal/left-facsist manifesto........

Liberal ideology is firmly based upon the principle that people are evolved, from nothing, into needy, helpless creatures that must have a large government, a Liberal, ruling elite, to control their personal lives and take care of them.

[Boeregeneraal]

Newman understand...ciggies destroy lives, it's murder! It does one no good!

I just cn't stand seeing people murder themselves...and paying for it!

How can a RIGHTEOUS government allow it's people to commit mass suicide?! How can a righteous government allow people to come into their society, and give their people pure poison?!

We are G-D's temples (our bodies), and now we go and pollute His temples. It's suicide-whether you like it or not! I don't need to talk about what the Torah says about suicide!

[newman]

Newman understand...ciggies destroy lives, it's murder! It does one no good!

I just cn't stand seeing people murder themselves...and paying for it!

So do fatty foods, sunbathing, not wearing sufficiently warm clothes in winter, rinking too much and thousands of other things I could write a book on.

How can a RIGHTEOUS government allow it's people to commit mass suicide?! How can a righteous government allow people to come into their society, and give their people pure poison?!

We are G-D's temples (our bodies), and now we go and pollute His temples. It's suicide-whether you like it or not! I don't need to talk about what the Torah says about suicide!

Smoking is not suicide. If it is then so is sunbathing, insufficient sleep, alcohol (in more than 1 glass per day).

Smoking, drinking, eating unhealthy foods may be unwise, foolish, silly,whatever, but NOBODY has the right to ban them.

As conservatives we believe in personal freedom. The only time we tollerate restrictions on individuals is when the personal safety or property of others is threatened without their consent. Or when our cultural well may be polluted (do it from the chandeleer at home but not in the park). We accept peoples right to own home defense guns but legislate against firing them at the shopping mall. We accept peoples right to eat pork BBQ 7 days a week but legislate for food labeling and fund health awareness.

Sometimes it's hard to sit back while a minority of people make 'unwise' decisions but the alternative is to take the leftist approach and believe that people are evolved, from nothing, into needy, helpless, stupid creatures that must have a large government, a ruling, cultural elite, take care of them and run their lives for them for their own good.

It's Ronald Regan or Nancy Pelosi. There's no middle ground. You choose.

[Boeregeneraal]

But with foods, we need to eat. And your absolutely right, fatty foods etc are a risk. Therefore it'simportant for governmnets to strictly monitor food preparation and the chemicals placed in the food.

Sunbathing. That's a problem with society. That's why society needs to be de-programized towards not being sex robots and whaetver. And not just thinking sex sex sex the whole bloody freakin time!

Insufficient sleep and warm clothes in winter won't kill you just like that.

Alcohol...now government needs to STRICTLY regulate the buying capacity for individuals. With technology, it is possible to regulate how much alcohol one can buy. Alcohol brings me to an important note. Alcohol is a terrible thing! It not only buggers up people's health, famly life, but it also kills. It basically upsets society. Bad family life as result of alcohol misuse will deeply challenge the children etc etc etc. Another thing, alcohol does nothing beneficial. The right quantities, YES, but that's why im saying controlled alcohol consumption.

[Boeregeneraal]

if we can't ban those murderers, we will simply  TAX the lifing daylights out of those murdering basterd scum...may they see gehenom!!!

All under the name of public health tax.  . It will be soo expensive for one packet of cigarettes, that those addicted slaves would rather go to therphy to set them loose from their suicide than paying vast sums for a packet. Theraphy being FREE ofcourse.