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newman:
It's called 'NIH' (not invented here) syndrome.

The 03 Springfield was the first case. In WW1, 75% of American soldiers were armed with the M1917 Enfield a.k.a. P17. The Springfield was selected as the 'official' rifle after the war due to national pride.

Ditto the M14

Ditto the M60.

The Galil didn't fail in Israel. Dirt-cheap, below cost (and inferior!) M16s from the US under the Military Credit scheme made it uncompetitive. The same is happening to Israels aircraft industries. Inferior US planes and other equipment at discounted prices make superior Israeli equipment uncompetitive.

Back to India,

Even the AR-180 Armalite with it's gas piston operation would have been better. Dirt cheap to make and a better weapon than the M16.

White Israelite:

--- Quote from: newman on February 20, 2008, 12:27:42 PM ---It's called 'NIH' (not invented here) syndrome.

The 03 Springfield was the first case. In WW1, 75% of American soldiers were armed with the M1917 Enfield a.k.a. P17. The Springfield was selected as the 'official' rifle after the war due to national pride.

Ditto the M14

Ditto the M60.

The Galil didn't fail in Israel. Dirt-cheap, below cost (and inferior!) M16s from the US under the Military Credit scheme made it uncompetitive. The same is happening to Israels aircraft industries. Inferior US planes and other equipment at discounted prices make superior Israeli equipment uncompetitive.

Back to India,

Even the AR-180 Armalite with it's gas piston operation would have been better. Dirt cheap to make and a better weapon than the M16.

--- End quote ---

I agree 100 percent, I think US has made some excellent stuff which should have never been replaced, and other things that well...are kept because of national pride. I still think the 1911 or the .45 was superior to the 9mm Beretta in many ways. Even though many pistols that surpass American ones now, they (most) are still based off American design (Browning).

Israel, I guess what I meant by the Galil failing is that it was replaced very quickly, some claim that the Galil was too heavy (of course because it is milled receiver) or that it had problems with receiver cracking (but Israelis abused their Galils like they were light machine guns shooting thousands and thousands of rounds full automatic). I think this was corrected later on.

South Africans used to get used to the weight of the Galil or the R4 there by doing running drills while holding their rifle in the air or holding it in awkward positions to get used to the weight. Of course going from the FAL to the Galil was probably a large difference as well.

Personally not sure why US stopped funding for Israels LAVI project, it was a really nice plane to my understanding.

I'm not positive about Israels Merkava tank, the think looks like a monster cosmetically and engine is located in the front, no idea how it compares to the M1 Abrams though. Israel sells everything on the tank but the tank it's self.

Not sure about Israels navy, They use SAAR 4.5 and 5 ships, recently SAAR ships are now built in US. They have top of the line subs though (Dolphin) which are supposed to be the most advanced in the world apparently from Germany.

We really need to replace the M16 in America, and I still think the Galil is a damn fine rifle. I'd love to have one in .308

newman:
The weight argument about the Galil is bogus. A Galil AR (as opposed to the ARM) is still lighter than an M1 Garand, M14, FAL, FN 49 et al.

You're right about the abuse, too. The ARM varient was promoted as a combination LMG/AR. There is no such thing. It's one or the other. The ARM was therefor too light for an LMG and too heavy for an AR.

The Mekeva is a great tank considered the world's best. The engine up front is to provide frontal protection against missiles. I'd still take the diesel Merk' over the gas turbine M1. Israel sells the mk3 but not their current mk4. Merks are also cheap to produce without compromising quallity due the ingenious design. If not for muSSlim-nazi international bullying, Israel would sell alot more.

The M9 adoption is sad tale. The .45 (in military FMJ load) is unrivalled as a man-stopper. The 9x19mm in FMJ load is little more than an irritation to a charging fanatic. There were 2 reasons for the M9's adoption.

1/ NATO carped & whined about ammo compatability.

2/ Italy demanded a big military contract in return for the USA placing cruise missiles on Italian soil (that's why the Beretta was selected. According to rumour, the military preferred Ruger's P85).

Serbian Cetnik (šumadinac):
The M-21 Zastava, is partially AK and Galil. Two best armies in the world, at least Serbs learn their lessons.

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