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'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
« on: February 20, 2008, 12:22:43 PM »
It is such a shame how corrupt and degenerate America's political leaders and system has become......

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'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
Exclusive: James George Jatras notes Christian Serbs are now 'bracing for the worst'

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Posted: February 20, 2008
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By James George Jatras

Abraham Lincoln was fond of asking the rhetorical question: "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Five? No, calling a tail a leg don't make it a leg."

That pretty much sums up the recent unilateral declaration of independence by Albanian Muslims in the Serbian province of Kosovo. Several countries, disgracefully led by the United States, have recognized Kosovo. Major media have hailed creation of the "world's newest country." But calling Kosovo a country doesn't make it one.

Serbia has denounced the move as the illegal creation of a "separatist entity" on its sovereign territory and has handed down criminal indictments against several of the top Albanian Muslim leaders. Now under way is a sharp global competition to see which governments will recognize Kosovo and which will not. Under heavy pressure from the U.S. State Department, most European countries will meekly comply. Some, like Cyprus with its Turkish-occupied north and Spain with its Basque separatist movement, will not.

In short, an action State Department bureaucrats touted as "settling Kosovo's status" has resulted in anything but. Outside of Europe, the picture is even fuzzier. Russia will reject Kosovo's independence, and expected to take the same line are China, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, South Africa, Brazil and many others. Russia will veto any effort to extend Kosovo membership in the United Nations.

Any sovereign state with restive ethnic or religious minorities would recognize Kosovo at its own peril. What Washington seeks to inflict on Serbia today could be the fate of the American southwest tomorrow. Israel, in particular, is closely pondering its next move. While loath to anger Washington, Jerusalem must consider that a Kosovo precedent could, absent any negotiated agreement, prompt proclamation of a Palestinian state, to be recognized by Arab and Muslim regimes. The same precedent could apply to heavily Muslim areas such as Galilee and the Negev within Israel's formal borders.

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At a special press briefing, outgoing Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns – who is often mentioned as a possible secretary of state under a Democratic administration – hailed support for Kosovo from the Organization of the Islamic Conference and Muslim governments. Happily claiming that a "vastly majority Muslim state" has been carved out of Serbia, a European Christian country, Burns said: "We think it is a very positive step that this Muslim state, Muslim majority state, has been created today."

Burns' remarks reflect a desperate hope by the Bush administration that displays of American pro-Islamic favoritism in the Balkans and support for a Palestinian state (its domination by Hamas notwithstanding) will buy the good will of hostile devotees of the "religion of peace and tolerance." Their gratitude is manifest in the jihad terror plot to attack Fort Dix, N.J., where four of the six defendants are Albanian Muslims from the Kosovo region. The offenders' presence in the United States – three of them illegal aliens and one brought to the U.S. by the Clinton administration as a refugee, another example of "gratitude" – stems from the fact that a broadly based support network for the terrorist "Kosovo Liberation Army," KLA, has been allowed to operate with impunity in the New York-New Jersey-Pennsylvania area, raising funds and collecting weapons, not to mention peddling influence with American politicians.

Meanwhile, Christian Serbs in Kosovo are bracing for the worst. "We are all expecting something difficult and horrible," said Bishop Artemije, pastor of Kosovo's Orthodox Christians. "Our message to you, all Serbs in Kosovo, is to remain in your homes and around your monasteries, regardless of what God allows or our enemies do."

The bishop's flock has good reason to fear. Far from the usual claims that NATO stopped a humanitarian catastrophe in Kosovo in 1999, the past nine years have seen a slow-motion genocide in progress against the province's Christian Serbian population under the nose of the U.N. and NATO, and at times with their facilitation. Two-thirds of the Serbian population already has been expelled and have not been able to return safely to their homes, along with similar proportions of other groups (Roma, Gorani, Croats and all the Jews). Over 150 churches and monasteries have been destroyed, with crosses and icons of Christ attracting particular vandalistic rage, a testament to Kosovo Albanians' supposed secularism and pro-Western orientation.

Hundreds of new Saudi-funded mosques fomenting the extreme Wahhabi doctrine have sprung up. Kosovo is visibly morphing from part of Europe into part of the Middle East. In contrast to Under Secretary Burns' cheerleading, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton has warned: "Kosovo will be a weak state susceptible to radical Islamist influence from outside the region, with the support from some Albanians, in other words, a potential gate for radicalism to enter Europe." If allowed to consolidate, an independent Kosovo would become a way station toward an anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Christian "Eurabia."

Around the world, jihad terror usually goes hand-in-hand with organized crime. Kosovo is the perfect case in point. The supposed authorities of the would-be state are themselves kingpins in the Albanians Mafia, whose network extends throughout Europe and has a significant presence in New York City. Besides all the international aid dumped down the Kosovo rat hole, or carted off by corrupt officials, the only real "industry" is crime: drugs (heroin from Afghan opium), slaves (kidnapped women and children from Moldova, Ukraine and other countries brought in for local "service" – there are lot of lonely international bureaucrats in Kosovo – or shipped off into Europe), and weapons (the missile that hit the U.S. Embassy in Athens in 2006 and the explosives used in the London and Madrid train bombings came through Kosovo).

What will happen now in Kosovo? It would be up to the KLA and their supporters to decide whether to kick off a new cycle of violence by attacking Serbs who refuse to submit to their "authority." Serbia in fact has been beefing up its legitimate state institutions in areas where Serbs are concentrated, which the Albanians have threatened to shut down as – believe it or not – illegal separatist structures. We will see if the political violence unleashed by the act of recognition will be matched by physical violence on the ground. Meanwhile, Serbia will undertake undisclosed countermeasures to undermine the illegally declared KLA- and Mafia-ruled entity and force resumption of negotiations to achieve a valid settlement. Let us hope they succeed.

With a stoke of his pen, President Bush, by heeding the State Department's bad advice to recognize a supposedly independent Kosovo, has triggered the perfect international storm: shattering the principle of the territorial integrity of sovereign nations, encouraging violent separatists worldwide, provoking a needless confrontation with Russia and other countries, boosting the jihad terrorist and organized crime threat to Europe and America, and creating conditions for a human rights and religious freedom nightmare. In terms of far-reaching consequences, it may the worst blunder of his presidency. Which is saying a lot.

"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: 'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 12:49:38 PM »
Has anyone noticed that's only the smart and wise men who are against Kosovo? Normal people who don't have a Firkin clue just go with the media on TV, which is BTW, controlled by the ones that have the money...US maybe?
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 06:12:45 PM »
Has anyone noticed that's only the smart and wise men who are against Kosovo? Normal people who don't have a Firkin clue just go with the media on TV, which is BTW, controlled by the ones that have the money...US maybe?
I agree with you.  Yes the media, political, "educational" and soon to be legal arenas will be closed due to their control by the CFR/Elitists-Globalists.  Ever since the first Oil Embargo by the OPEC nations in the mid 1970's the Arab/Muslim have taken their immense profits and purchased massive shares in Western industry, media included.  This is perhaps one of the main reasons why the media is so "tolerant" of the Islamic, terrorist supporting, nations with their elitists/globalists advocating the Internatinal Socialist ideal...  Good post.
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 11:03:39 PM »
I agree with you!!!
The whole system works because everyone is not mentally ill on the same day!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 03:08:46 AM »
Has anyone noticed that's only the smart and wise men who are against Kosovo? Normal people who don't have a Firkin clue just go with the media on TV, which is BTW, controlled by the ones that have the money...US maybe?
I agree with you.  Yes the media, political, "educational" and soon to be legal arenas will be closed due to their control by the CFR/Elitists-Globalists.  Ever since the first Oil Embargo by the OPEC nations in the mid 1970's the Arab/Muslim have taken their immense profits and purchased massive shares in Western industry, media included.  This is perhaps one of the main reasons why the media is so "tolerant" of the Islamic, terrorist supporting, nations with their elitists/globalists advocating the Internatinal Socialist ideal...  Good post.

Intresting. A clear example can be seen back in 90´ when US helped Shiptars by arming the terrorist group UCK, giving them air support AND the most important thing, media "propaganda".

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Re: 'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 04:21:08 AM »
Ever since the first Oil Embargo by the OPEC nations in the mid 1970's the Arab/Muslim have taken their immense profits and purchased massive shares in Western industry, media included.  This is perhaps one of the main reasons why the media is so "tolerant" of the Islamic, terrorist supporting, nations with their elitists/globalists advocating the Internatinal Socialist ideal

Chaim says the same thing in one of his videos. I am very interested in finding sources to substantiate this information so that I could spread it on other forums. Does anyone know where to look? Please help.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 09:26:16 AM »
Chaim says the same thing in one of his videos. I am very interested in finding sources to substantiate this information so that I could spread it on other forums. Does anyone know where to look? Please help.
There are many books that highlight this as a matter of fact.  John Loftus book "The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People" has a chapter dealing with this exact subject.  If my memory serves me correct, Loftus pegs Arab profit from the inflated 1970's oil prices at over $16 billion which was re-invested in Western (British, American, German) staple industry stock, including media:  http://www.amazon.com/Secret-War-Against-Jews-Espionage/dp/0312156480/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203603551&sr=8-2

Claire Stirling's "The Terror Network" documents the various Communist, Pan-Arab and Islamic Terrorist groups of the late 1960's-1980's... http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Network-Claire-Sterling/dp/0030506611/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203603704&sr=1-3

Most recently "Eurabia" by Bat Ye'or documents the economic, financial and political corruption and decline of Europe into "Eurabia", again over the past thirty years starting in the 1970's. http://www.amazon.com/Eurabia-Euro-Arab-Axis-Bat-YeOr/dp/083864077X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203603935&sr=1-1

From my memory, the incredable book "Modern Times" by Paul Johnson also documents this as well the West's encouragement of places like China, Cuba, Belgian Congo to go communist as well many other corruptions....

There are many more.  PM me should you wish additional refs... :)
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: 'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 11:27:46 AM »
kosovo je srpsko!! :'( >:(..kosovo is serbia..

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 12:07:02 PM »
Chaim says the same thing in one of his videos. I am very interested in finding sources to substantiate this information so that I could spread it on other forums. Does anyone know where to look? Please help.
There are many books that highlight this as a matter of fact.  John Loftus book "The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People" has a chapter dealing with this exact subject.  If my memory serves me correct, Loftus pegs Arab profit from the inflated 1970's oil prices at over $16 billion which was re-invested in Western (British, American, German) staple industry stock, including media:  http://www.amazon.com/Secret-War-Against-Jews-Espionage/dp/0312156480/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203603551&sr=8-2

Claire Stirling's "The Terror Network" documents the various Communist, Pan-Arab and Islamic Terrorist groups of the late 1960's-1980's... http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Network-Claire-Sterling/dp/0030506611/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203603704&sr=1-3

Most recently "Eurabia" by Bat Ye'or documents the economic, financial and political corruption and decline of Europe into "Eurabia", again over the past thirty years starting in the 1970's. http://www.amazon.com/Eurabia-Euro-Arab-Axis-Bat-YeOr/dp/083864077X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203603935&sr=1-1

From my memory, the incredable book "Modern Times" by Paul Johnson also documents this as well the West's encouragement of places like China, Cuba, Belgian Congo to go communist as well many other corruptions....

There are many more.  PM me should you wish additional refs... :)

Thank you very much! I will go through these references and try to find things that pertain to the Arab investment in the Western media. I am especially interested in this topic, because of all the talk about "Jews owning the media." I want to prove that the opposite is the case - it is rather the muslims who own the Western media. I'll try to make a file, and then I'll start distributing it. If you can think of some other evidence, please let me know. Thanks again.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 01:30:26 PM »
Actaully, it is very easy to find out as most media are publically traded corporations now with statements online.  In some cases you can look under "corporate inforamtion" or "investors" and you will be given a list of many of the top shareholders.  If you googles these companies you will find that they are either Arabian/Emirate based or American based for which one could look at the shareholdership of those "umberella" entities and find they are too emirate Based...

Google books writes the following about John Loftus' book:

The authors demonstrate that numerous Western countries, especially the United States and Great Britain, have conducted repeated and willful spying missions on Eretz Yisrael and later Israel over many decades. While on the surface these two countries and others profess to be ardent allies of Israel, they work, in fact, through their intelligence services to betray Israel's secrets to the Arabs. Their motive: oil and multinational profits, which must be attained at any price through international covert policies. To understand the duplicitous nature of the West's diplomatic relations with Israel, the authors contend that one must understand the history that begins after the end of World War I with the sordid Mideast exploits of a British diplomat, Jack Philby. They then proceed into a detailed discussion of the boardrooms of American and English bankers and lawyers who had strong connections with Nazi leaders and Arab oil tycoons in the 1930s prior to the outbreak of World War II. Particularly intriguing is the information that the writers present to suggest an all-too-cozy financial relationship that existed between the Allied intelligence community and German banks even during the war. One of the authors' chief contentions is that Israel was the unwitting victim of bungled Western spy operations such as Iran-Contra and BCCI, whose true dimensions have never previously been exposed. A consistent theme is that the White House and the British Secret Service have repeatedly run illegal programs, hidden from both the CIA and Congress, and then used the Jews as scapegoats.

This massive Western investment occured under the Carter Administration, I beleive Kissenger was involved somehow, after the defeat of the Arab armies: Yom Kippur War.  The Arabs, with Western information and assistance, finally found out how to use Oil to manipulate Euopean/Western politics: "Eurabia"-Bat Ye'or.  Very similar to the corruption and over inflated oil prices blamed on inept reasons.  The fact, so I've read from many sources, is that there is more oil found today's explorations than there ever was in the 1930-50's oil boom.  Therefore another "global warming" type sham.....  Sadly, most of the Earth's oil lies under the domain of Muslim/Arab nations, Communist Nations and corrupt Socialistic nations like Mexico, Cuba, Venezula and of course now Canada is included in the OPEC fraud family. 

Canada is a very good example of OPEC and Oil Producing Nations vast corruption....
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: 'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 01:41:58 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 03:23:56 PM »
MarZutra, thanks for the tip about looking up individual investors. One problem for me is that I don't really know what companies to look up, especially since so many media companies swallowed up smaller companies. One specific name I can think of is Time Warner Corp, but not much more.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2008, 03:54:11 PM »
MarZutra, thanks for the tip about looking up individual investors. One problem for me is that I don't really know what companies to look up, especially since so many media companies swallowed up smaller companies. One specific name I can think of is Time Warner Corp, but not much more.
It can be done.  It is a mess of spider webs of shell/holding companies to which these shares are purchased.  These companies are either corporate entities owned by various Arab/Muslims or they end up being wholely owned by some Saudi Prince.  I'd suggest googling some Arab's name and key words to lead the search to his financial holdings, corporations under his control. 

For example, a year or two ago, an investigative report show aired an investigative segment on the Saudi Prince's journeys to Monacco and Niece to gamble.  What they found was his enjoyment of little boys to which he'd pay to have them "party" on his boat with prostitutes and other women that were at the casinos, dance clubs and parties.  The investigative team was following and filming the Prince's limo.  When they found out they were being tailed and filmed the bodyguards of the Prince stopped the car and detained the journalists and took the tapes. 

The episode continued with some woman journalist interviewing the Prince on his boat, which subsequently purchased from Donald Trump for a reputed $50 million.  During this interview the journalist states that she has to watch what she says not to be fired from her employment, presumably the Prince has enough share holdership in that entity to influence internal and external policies.  I do remember the Prince sitting at an extravagent desk and behind him was a glass wall with masses of logos of the companies he owns and hold shares in.  All, if not the majority, of Western (American) media was shown: FOX, NBC, CNN, CBS etc. etc. 

Perhaps you can find this video on Youtube?  The Saudi was deffinately Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal but I cannot remember what station did the "investigative" reporting...
« Last Edit: February 21, 2008, 03:58:33 PM by MarZutra »
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: 'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008, 03:54:20 PM »
Hey I have a question. How do you put a big picture at the end of your messages?

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 04:43:02 PM »
you mean the banner? like my "Red Berets"?

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 04:52:40 PM »
MarZutra, thank you very much for your detailed answer. This warrants a serious investigation. I wish I knew some credible investigative journalist. I'll try to find out as much as I can myself.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 07:01:54 PM »
MarZutra, thank you very much for your detailed answer. This warrants a serious investigation. I wish I knew some credible investigative journalist. I'll try to find out as much as I can myself.
You are most welcome.  I think it might have been one of those shows like 20 minutes.  I believe the station was CNN, but not positive.  Good luck and if you can find videos and articles...please feel to post them... O0
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2008, 01:15:35 AM »
Yes the banner hehe :D It's a cool banner you have by the way.

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2008, 02:37:49 AM »
If you do have a banner but you don't know how to use it,
Upload the picture on the webb
and go to the Profile Options where u choose your avatar, then in the "Signature" box, type [ U R L ]yourpicturesURL[ / U R L ]


WITHOUT THE SPACES.

hope this helped.