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Offline Raulmarrio2000

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Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« on: February 22, 2008, 02:41:09 AM »
The Labour party has always been Leftist. But Likud was much better, though not ideal. When Rabin wanted to do concessions Likud leaders didn't agree. However Rabin wanted to give away Yesha including Abu dis, but not Jerusalem. Barack went even farther and nearly gave Har Habayt to PLO terror. Obviously Sharon opposed that. And Olmert lead a protest in Jerusalem. When Sharon came into power, he did even worse. He didn't give the Land for a Hudna (Islamic fake peace, used to reorganise themselves and strike again). He just gave Gaza for nothing, and even cared to do the work of attacking and evicting Jews, as if he wanted to save terrorist' time and do it for them. It seems that Israel is not only leftist, but is also gradually moving more and more to the left.
When I asked New Kach why the left is always in power in Israel, they replied that it was a dictatorship, that Torah Jews were banned (which is true) and people were unable to turn the dictatorship down. But Israelis knew what Sharon and Olmert had done in Gush Katif, of course they had no possibility of voting Kahanism, but they had Netanyahu who was certainly better than Kadima.
What is the reason so many Israelis choose the leaders who aim to destroy them? They may be self-hating but... can someone hate himself so much as to seek his own abihilation? And if they hate Jewishness so much, why do they still call themselves Jews? And why does every politician become even more Leftist when he is in office? What's wrong in Israel???
Anybody has any ideas?

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 02:44:04 AM »
The problem is Israelis feel almost guilty for having the land of Israel and therefore constantly feel the need to be good to the "fakestilians"

this is a growing problem right througout israel but it has always been there since the country was refounded in 1948.

Most jews are just like that though, no matter where you go.

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 02:51:16 AM »
They get sickened with the blood shed, and think maybe allowing things to be less right wing that the fighting will stop.

They just tired very tired people.

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 03:23:55 AM »
It's just the Establishment that is Left the Israelis really aren't leftitst that much the ones I know are Hardliners. And support the Right
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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 05:11:03 AM »
The Labor party's previouse ideas were more like the National-Union's ideas.
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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 05:50:28 AM »
Israel's founding was in a time period during which Marxist / Socialist ideals were very popular in Europe.

The greatest number of European Jews willing to give up everything and risk life and limb in the founding of a Jewish State were those "at the bottom of the social heap", who due to their life circumstances found the ideals of communal life and socialism offered them equality, fairness, and a dignity in manual labor and agricultural life.

Add to that the fact that the vast majority of the "Pioneers" were young people motivated (as are most all youth) by idealistic thinking which thought that "a better and more fair society" could be structured in which there would no longer be poverty and destitution.

Today's Israelis have long moved past the social ideals of the founding Pioneers.  Even so, they were raised by parents steeped in a mindset quite similar to the wagon trains which transported settlers from the East coast to the new Wild American West.  When danger threatened, they circled the wagons, because a group working to defend and protect a community has a much better chance at success than does one or two individuals who opt to "go it alone" at the expense of the rest of their community.

Think of it this way:

Twenty people land on a desert island inhabited by cannibals.  They have some guns and little food.  Which holds the best chance for success?  The group which shares the food and hands out the guns and unites to survive?...Or...One in the group claims his share is more important than the others, wants to sell the guns and sell the food to his companions, and then launches out solo in hopes of bribing the cannibals to eat only the other people but not him?

Those who believe only capitalism and free enterprise should be the order of the day on the deserted island are qualified to win "My self-centered greed and ignorance got myself and my companions all killed and eated by cannibals" award.

As a bonus prize, your headstone will read "He was savaged and eaten, but he at least had more food and guns when he died than the others who were savaged and eaten."

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 12:42:17 AM »
The thing about many Israeli parties is that their views are whatever will get them elected, beyond that it doesnt matter
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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2008, 12:58:09 AM »
Its about a lack of Emuna in G-d. The state and zionist system took G-d away from Jews, and put all the non-sense they call "culture". Also the leaders when they take power dont have the guts and faith/Emuna in G-d to withstand the pressure from America and the U.N. and becuase of their sins are not able to rule the Jews properly. Perhaps G-d is setting the scenario where their will be no more faith in the clowns and in the system and the only one we Jews will turn to is HIM, and not in anyone or any country, or the army or state or anything else.
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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2008, 01:08:57 AM »
Lack of logic, facts, evidence.

Most of the Leftist Jews are purely based on emotion, if it feels right, do it. They feel "oh well our people were kicked out of countries so we can't treat our enemies the same" hence why many of them support illegal immigration and stuff like that. Same with civil rights. It's all based on emotion and they think their doing the world a favor by supporting "civil rights".

Their fools, same ones who fought against Apartheid in South Africa, formed the ADL, and stabbed fellow right wing Jews in the back to please other people.

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2008, 02:32:45 AM »
You could ask the same for any western government.   Why are the American's so Leftist? WHy are the Brits so Leftist?  Why are the Dutch so leftist?  etc etc.

The population ISNT leftist.  The elitists are leftists.  Thats a phenomenon in every developed nation.

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2008, 03:05:02 AM »
You could ask the same for any western government.   Why are the American's so Leftist? WHy are the Brits so Leftist?  Why are the Dutch so leftist?  etc etc.

The population ISNT leftist.  The elitists are leftists.  Thats a phenomenon in every developed nation.

Brian


But Ameriacans, Brits or Dutch can only become third world countries for being Leftist. Israelis may literarily be drowned in the sea. Anyway are Americans, Brits or Dutch giving away their land? How do you think America would react if Muslims claimed the far away Hawaii? Surely they won't give it. Israel is ready to give away her own capital!!!!!!!!

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2008, 03:43:35 AM »
You could ask the same for any western government.   Why are the American's so Leftist? WHy are the Brits so Leftist?  Why are the Dutch so leftist?  etc etc.

The population ISNT leftist.  The elitists are leftists.  Thats a phenomenon in every developed nation.

Brian


But Ameriacans, Brits or Dutch can only become third world countries for being Leftist. Israelis may literarily be drowned in the sea. Anyway are Americans, Brits or Dutch giving away their land? How do you think America would react if Muslims claimed the far away Hawaii? Surely they won't give it. Israel is ready to give away her own capital!!!!!!!!

in 50 years, when America has an Islamic secession movement in Michigan (or wherever), Im sure there will be a liberal element that will see nothing wrong with this.  Liberals love giving land away.  It makes them feel righteous.

Liberalism by itself is benign, but liberalism mixed with Islam  (or any other fascist movement) is suicide.

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2008, 04:03:48 AM »
It's too bad Israelis are being misled by a leftist traitorous government, Thank G-d we have some righteous Kahanists in Israel O0
If Chaim was their, the Kahanist movement would grow bigger O0

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Re: Why are so many Israelis Leftist?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2008, 08:24:02 AM »
All of this above, the same reason why modern US Republicans are sounding like democrats from Roosvelt era. It's G-dlessness of zionist foundations, the guilt sindrome for taking the land for wrong reasons, the atomisation of Israeli society, the emotion manipulating traitorus NWO or leftist medias, the combat fatigue and US still percieved as better place to live but the crux of problem is lack of leaders who'll wake up the people to the reality.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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