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Ulli:
--- Quote from: Ambiorix on March 25, 2008, 08:27:08 PM ---Do you like the music of the Dutch composer Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck?
And what do you think about the Church music? I saw in your Church they are quite liberal with it (guitars and so..)
Don't you like prefer singing chorals , together with organ?
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I am no member in this baptist church, I know only the pastor and a few members. All in all nice people. The problem is, if somebody wants to join there, he has to be baptized again. Calvin is against this. In addition to that it is there too cuddly. The people there are too nice and keep too less distance. It is not my temperament. ;)
Jan Pieterszoon seems to be a be a barock-composer. I like the music, but don't know him before. So I have learned something new O0
I saw some of the typical Dutch architecture in this youtube clip. The great windows, which reach to the ceiling. Is the architecture of city-houses in Flemings similar to the architecture in the Netherlands?
Ambiorix:
--- Quote from: Golden Pheasant on March 26, 2008, 02:57:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ambiorix on March 25, 2008, 08:27:08 PM ---Do you like the music of the Dutch composer Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck?
And what do you think about the Church music? I saw in your Church they are quite liberal with it (guitars and so..)
Don't you like prefer singing chorals , together with organ?
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I am no member in this baptist church, I know only the pastor and a few members. All in all nice people. The problem is, if somebody wants to join there, he has to be baptized again. Calvin is against this. In addition to that it is there too cuddly. The people there are too nice and keep too less distance. It is not my temperament. ;)
Jan Pieterszoon seems to be a be a barock-composer. I like the music, but don't know him before. So I have learned something new O0
I saw some of the typical Dutch architecture in this youtube clip. The great windows, which reach to the ceiling. Is the architecture of city-houses in Flemings similar to the architecture in the Netherlands?
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from wikipedia:
--- Quote ---The Eighty Years' War and its consequences
In 1568 the Seventeen Provinces that signed the Union of Utrecht started a (counter)rebellion against Philip II: the Eighty Years' War. Before the Low Countries could be completely reconquered, war between England and Spain broke out, forcing the Spanish troops under Philip II to halt their advance. Meanwhile, Philip's Spanish troops had conquered the important trading cities of Bruges and Ghent. Antwerp, which was then arguably the most important port in the world, had to be conquered. On August 17, 1585, Antwerp fell. This ended the Eighty Years' War for the (from now on) Southern Netherlands. The United Provinces (the Netherlands proper) fought on until 1648 – the Peace of Westphalia. The definite loss of the southern Low Countries caused the rich Calvinist merchants of these cities to flee to the north. Many migrated to Amsterdam, which was at the time a tiny port, but was quickly transformed into one of the most important ports in the world in the 17th century. The exodus can be described as 'creating a new Antwerp'.
This mass emigration from Flanders and Brabant (especially Antwerp) was an important driving force behind the Dutch Golden Age. While Spain was at war with England, the rebels from the north, strengthened by refugees from the south, started a campaign to reclaim areas lost to Philips II's Spanish troops. They managed to conquer a considerable part of Brabant (the later Noord-Brabant of the Netherlands), and the south bank of the Scheldt estuary (Zeeuws-Vlaanderen), before being stopped by Spanish troops. The frontline at the end of this war stabilized and became the current border between present-day Belgium and the Netherlands. The Dutch (as they later became known) had managed to reclaim enough of Spanish king-controlled Flanders to close off the river Scheldt, effectively closing Antwerp off from a significant trade route and causing a considerable emigration of Antverpians[3] towards the port of Amsterdam. Due to these events, Flanders and Brabant went into a relative decline in the 17th century.[4]
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1581–1795: The Southern Netherlands
Although arts remained at a relatively impressive level for another century with Peter Paul Rubens (1577–1640), Flanders experienced a loss of its former economic and intellectual power under Spanish, Austrian, and French rule, with heavy taxation and rigid imperial political control compounding the effects of industrial stagnation and Spanish-Dutch and Franco-Austrian conflict.
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Lots of our architecture predates the Barok period, Holland florished from the 17th century, we from the 12th.
We have nice city-houses, and lots of belfrys.
check Brugge, Gent, Antwerpen, Brussel , Rijsel, Leuven,
The cathedral of Antwerpen is the biggest and highest in the Benelux (124 meter)
Brugge is called the Venice of the north.
Ultra Requete:
Yes we almost became protestant/calvinist country in XVI century unfortunetly our king Sigmund August who was half Italian lacked the balls to do the same as Henry VIII in Engalnd, to create national church... The Jesuites made stuning PR contreformation campaign in XVII century :(. On the other hand modern protestant countries are most secularised and immoral in Europe so... ::) :D
Ulli:
--- Quote from: Ultra Requete on March 26, 2008, 06:00:19 AM ---Yes we almost became protestant/calvinist country in XVI century unfortunetly our king Sigmund August who was half Italian lacked the balls to do the same as Henry VIII in Engalnd, to create national church... The Jesuites made stuning PR contreformation campaign in XVII century :(. On the other hand modern protestant countries are most secularised and immoral in Europe so... ::) :D
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You know the story about Jan Lasko?
He was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voivode :)
The center of Calvinism in Germany is named after him.
Here is the website:
http://www.jalb.de/flshmenu/frameset.html
Back to topic:
Lasco was married to a Flemish woman with the name Barbara! :)
Ultra Requete:
IRC he was nephew of Polish RC cardinal, after the "Swedish flood" many protestants who sides with invading lutheran Swedes fled Poland especialy for England and Holland; they were know as Polish Brothers. :(
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