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How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« on: April 29, 2008, 04:38:31 PM »
Any ideas? We know that most Europeans hate the EU, they hate the idea of some putz in Brussels telling them what to do.
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2008, 06:13:51 PM »
no idea really.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 05:23:52 AM »
no idea really.
By instilling patriotism in Europeans through making videos I think it's possible.
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 05:31:56 AM »
no idea really.
By instilling patriotism in Europeans through making videos I think it's possible.
Im not so sure, if it is possible for the corrupt national parliaments/governments to get out of the EU and the euro after signing the  treaty of Lissabon.

I think we need a major economical collapse (like in 1929) to destroy the current EU.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 05:37:46 AM »
no idea really.
By instilling patriotism in Europeans through making videos I think it's possible.
Im not so sure, if it is possible for the corrupt national parliaments/governments to get out of the EU and the euro after signing the  treaty of Lissabon.

I think we need a major economical collapse (like in 1929) to destroy the current EU.
We can't do that all by ourselves we need help.
We need to make videos on Europe, I'm looking for cooperation from Europeans to make videos together and so far nobody has shown any interest :(
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
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WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2008
The Lisbon Treason
What the treaty of Lisbon does


"France was just ahead of all the other countries in voting No. It would happen in all Member States if they have a referendum. There is a cleavage between people and governments...There will be no Treaty if we had a referendum in France, which would again be followed by a referendum in the UK."
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy, at meeting of MEP Group leaders, EUobserver, 14 November 2007

"Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly ... All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way."
- Former French President V.Giscard D'Estaing, Le Monde, 14 June 2007

"The substance of the Constitution is preserved. That is a fact."
- German Chancellor Angela Merkel, speech to the European Parliament, 27 June 2007

An EU Constitution

The Treaty of Lisbon is a revamped version of the treaty which gave the EU its own Constitution over and above the constitutions of its Member States, but which the peoples of France and Holland rejected in referendums in 2005. Instead of accepting that decision the EU Prime Ministers and Presidents decided to give the EU a constitution indirectly rather than directly, but not to call it a Constitution, and on no account to hold referendums on it for fear people would reject it again.

Why an Irish referendum?

A referendum must be held on it in Ireland however because the Supreme Court laid down in the 1987 Crotty case that sovereignty in this State rests with the Irish people and that only they can surrender sovereignty to the EU by referendum, or else refuse to surrender it as the case might be. The purpose of the referendum would be to change the Irish Constitution so as to make EU law superior to Irish law in the areas set out in the Lisbon Treaty.

Lisbon gives the EU a constitution indirectly rather than directly: The two current basic European Treaties are called "The Treaty on European Union"(TEU) and "The Treaty on the Functioning of the Union"(TFEU). These two documents include all the previous treaties from the 1957 Rome Treaty to the 2002 Nice Treaty. The EU Constitution which the French and Dutch rejected would have repealed these two treaties and replaced them with a document called "A Constitution for Europe". The Lisbon Treaty implements 96% of the legal content of this "Constitution for Europe" by proposing amendments to the two basic EU Treaties and thereby turning them into the effective Constitution of the new Federal EU that Lisbon would bring about.

The following are the main changes Lisbon would make in the EU's two constituent Treaties:

1. Lisbon makes the EU Constitution superior to the Irish Constitution in all areas of EU law: We would still keep the Irish Constitution, but "Declaration 17 concerning Primacy", which is attached to Lisbon, makes clear that EU law would have primacy over and be superior to the Irish Constitution and laws in any case of conflict between the two. EU law and national law deal with different areas and matters, but the EU now makes the majority of our new laws each year. The Lisbon Treaty would give the EU the power to make laws binding on us in many new areas - see points 6 and 8 below - and would take that power away from the Irish Dáil and from Irish citizens who elect the Dáil.

2. Lisbon gives the EU the constitutional form of a supranational European Federal State and turns Ireland and the other Member States into regions or provinces of this Federation: It does this in three legal steps: (a) giving the new European Union which it would bring into being its own legal personality and independent corporate existence for the first time, separate from and superior to its Member States; (b)abolishing the European Community which we have been members of since 1973 and replacing it with the new Union; and (c)bringing all spheres of public policy either actually or potentially within the scope of the new Union. From the inside this new post-Lisbon EU would seem to be based on treaties between States; from the outside it would look like a State itself. It would have all the normal powers of a Federal State except the power to force its Member States to go to war against their will. Lisbon would then make us all real citizens of this new Federal EU for the first time, owing to it the normal citizen's duty of obedience to its laws and loyalty to its authority. One can only be a citizen of a State and all States must have citizens. We would still retain our Irish citizenship, but the rights and duties attached to that would be subordinate to those of our EU citizenship in any case of conflict between the two. Post-Lisbon, we would be like citizens of Virginia vis-a-vis the USA, or like citizens of Bavaria vis-a-vis Federal Germany. This new Federal EU would sign Treaties with other States, would have its own political President, Foreign Minister and foreign and security policy, its own diplomatic service and voice at the UN, and its own Public Prosecutor. It would make most of our laws and would decide what our basic rights are in all areas of EU law.

If the EU's politicians are creating an EU Federation, that Federation should be run along normal democratic lines, with its laws both proposed and made by people who are elected to make them, either in the European Parliament or National Parliaments, and not by the EU Commission, Council of Ministers and Court. But that is not on offer in the Lisbon Treaty. Lisbon means less democracy at EU level, not more.

3. Lisbon shifts influence over law-making and decision-taking in the EU towards the Big States and away from the smaller ones like Ireland: It does this by replacing the voting system for making EU laws that has existed since the 1957 Rome Treaty by a primarily population-based system which would give most influence to the Member States with big populations and reduce the influence of smaller ones like Ireland. Under Lisbon a "weighted" or "qualified" majority vote(QMV) for making EU laws in future would be 15 States out of 27 as long as they included 65% of the EU's total population. When Ireland joined the then EEC in 1973 we had 3 votes in making European laws as against 10 each for the Big States, a ratio of one-third. Under the current Nice Treaty arrangements we have 7 votes as against their 29 each, a ratio of one-quarter. Under Lisbon Ireland would have 4 million people as against Germany's 82 millon, a ratio of one-twentieth, and an average of 60 million each for France, Italy and Britain, a ratio of one-fifteenth. Under Lisbon Ireland's voting weight vis-a-vis the other 26 Member States would fall to one-third its present level, from 2% to 0.8%. Germany's would go from 8% to 17%, France's from 8% to 13%, Britain's from 8% to 12%.

4. Lisbon removes Ireland's right to a permanent EU Commissioner: The Commission is the body which has the monopoly of proposing all EU laws, which are then made by the Council of Ministers, with some powers of amendment for the European Parliament. Under Lisbon Ireland would have no member on the Commission for one out of every three Commission terms. This means that for five years out of every fifteen, laws affecting all our lives would be put forward entirely by a committee of EU officials on which there was no representative from Ireland. The Big EU States would lose their right to a permanent Commissioner also, but their size and weight give them other means of exerting influence on that key body. As Dr Garret FitzGerald and others have emphasised over the years, being represented on the EU Commission is especially important for smaller States like Ireland.

5. Lisbon deprives the Irish Government of its right to decide who Ireland's Commissioner would be when it comes to our turn to be on the Commission: It provides that Ireland's present right to "propose" a national Commissioner and to have that proposal accepted by the others if we are to accept their proposals, would be replaced by a right to make "suggestions" regarding a name, but with no guarantee that a particular suggestion would be accepted by the 27 Prime Ministers and Presidents who would decide the list of Commissioners as a whole by qualified majority vote. If the Irish Government were to suggest someone as its EU Commissioner who had, for example, antagonised the government of some other Member State in the past, or who was regarded as not enthusiastic enough for further EU integration, it could be asked to suggest another name as more acceptable. The Commission President, appointed by vote of the EU Prime Ministers and Presidents, would in practice decide who Ireland's Commissioner would be. The new Commission President could ask a Commissioner to resign at any time, just as a Taoiseach has full control over his cabinet. The new Commission would be like an EU Government, except that this government would not be elected by the citizens.

6. Lisbon gives the European Union the power to make laws in 32 new areas that are removed from the Dail and other National Parliaments: These new areas of EU law-making include civil and criminal law, justice and policing, immigration, public services, energy, transport, tourism, space, sport, culture, civil protection, public health and the EU budget. There would be majority voting also by EU Foreign Ministers as regards implementing decisions in foreign policy. The EU Council of Ministers would obtain power to take decisions by qualified majority vote on many matters other than EU laws - amounting to 68 in all - so that Member States would no longer exercise a veto regarding them.

This increase in EU powers simultaneously increases the personal power of the 27 national politicians who make up the EU Council of Ministers by enabling them to make further laws behind closed doors for 500 million Europeans, while taking power away from the citizens and national Parliaments which elect those politicians and which have made these laws for their own countries up to now. Each shift of power from the national level to the EU entails a further shift of power from the Irish Dail and people to Irish Government Ministers at EU level. It hollows out our national democracy further. The Treaty also increases the power of the non-elected Brussels Commission, which has the monopoly of proposing European laws to the Council of Ministers, by giving it many new policy areas to propose laws for.

7. Lisbon is a self-amending Treaty which would open the way to EU control of Ireland's company taxes: Lisbon inserts a new Article 48 into the"Treaty on European Union", the "simplified revision procedure", which permits the Prime Ministers and Presidents by unanimious agreement among themselves to shift many areas of the treaties where unanimity now exists to qualified majority voting without the need for new treaties or referendums. This is called the "escalator clause", which former French President Giscard d'Estaing said was "a central innovation" of the EU Constitution he helped draft. This shift to majority voting would cover areas like company taxation, but exclude defence and military matters. A National Parliament can veto the use of this mechanism, but citizens can not, as we would have accepted this method of rule by agreeing the Lisbon Treaty. National Parliaments usually back their Prime Ministers anyway. After Lisbon is ratified there would be no need, practically speaking, for further EU referendums.

If the Taoiseach of the day has agreed with his fellow Prime Ministers and Presidents, the switch to majority voting on company taxes would go through. If he has agreed, the National Parliament could revolt against him and object, but it is not required to vote for the use of the "escalator". This leaves the citizens in the position of depending entirely on the backbone of the current Taoiseach or his successor to continue defending Ireland's company tax position, which has been so important in bringing foreign firms to Ireland and so central to our modern economic development. Already the EU Commission has drafted proposals for introducing a Common EU Tax Base for Company taxes, but has postponed its publication until after the Irish referendum. Does this encourage confidence that the "escalator clause" will not be used to bring in EU tax harmonisation?

Lisbon opens another door to EU tax harmonisation if national differences in company tax lead to "distortion of competition"(Art.93 TFEU). This amendment inserted by Lisbon would enable the EU Court of Justice to apply the EU's internal market rules on competition matters, where majority voting applies, to matters of company tax. This could be another way around the present unanimity requirement for such taxes.

Lisbon also permits the EU to raise its "own resources" by means of any kind of new EU tax to finance the attainment of its many objectives(Art.269 TFEU). The 27 EU Prime Ministers and Presidents would have to decide unanimously what taxes to impose, and once National Parliaments approved, that would be that. There would be no need of a referendum in Ireland or anywhere else in the EU, for we would have permitted this development by voting for Lisbon. It is hard to imagine the 27 EU Prime Ministers and Presidents refraining from exercising this power to give the new post-Lisbon Union its own major tax revenues once it is up and running under their political direction.

8. Lisbon gives the EU the power to decide our human and civil rights: The new Treaty gives the EU the final power to decide what our rights are in all areas of EU law, including Member States when implementing EU law. It does this by making the rights set out in the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights legally binding for the first time(Art.6 TEU). This would make the 27 judges of the EU Court of Justice in Luxembourg the final decider of our rights in many areas, instead of the Irish Supreme Court or the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, which decides these rights at present. If Lisbon gives the EU Court of Justice the power to decide what our rights are in the large area of EU law, it is likely that the Commission will in time propose laws to ensure their uniform application across all EU States, as has happened in the case of the other Treaties up to now. The EU Court of Justice has laid down in several court cases that National Law must be applied in a way that is consistent with EU law, for the latter has supremacy in any conflict between the two. This principle must logically apply to rights issues also. This raises the real possibility of clashes over rights standards in sensitive areas where there are significant national differences between the Member States at present: for example, the right to life, the right to marry and found a family, the right to strike, rules of evidence in court, the rights of children and the elderly, trial by jury, censorship law, the legalisation of hard drugs and prostitution, rights attaching to State churches, conscientious objection to military service, succession, property, family law, labour law. Lisbon also provides for the new Union, like any European State, to accede to the European Convention on Human Rights. It would provide plenty scope for conflict between the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg and the EU Court of Justice in Luxembourg over human rights issues.

9. Lisbon militarizes the EU further: The Treaty requires Member States "to progressively improve their military capabilities". It introduces a "start-up" fund for common foreign policy and military operations to be financed by Member States outside the Union budget(Art.28). It contains an Article which the current Slovenian EU presidency has admitted is a "mutual defence clause"(Art.28A.7): "If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all means in their power." This is a new departure for the EU and would commit all Member States including Ireland. In the light of this mutual defence clause there would be no constitutional need for a further referendum in Ireland before we committed ourselves operationally to the military defence of other EU countries, for Lisbon would be that referendum. Lisbon also allows sub-groups of Member States to make more binding commitments to one another with a view to "the most demanding missions" on behalf of the EU, without a requirement of a United Nations mandate.

10. Lisbon provides that if one-third of National Parliaments object to the Commission's proposal for an EU law, the Commission must reconsider it, but not necessarily abandon it: It might reword the draft law, as happened with the Constitution, or if it considered the objection was not justified, it might ignore it.

The European Parliament cannot propose a single European law, but it gets more influence under the new Union's Constitutional structures. It can put down amendments to draft laws coming from the Council and Commission in the 32 law-making areas that would be transferred to Brussels from the National Parliaments, although the Commission and Council must agree them if they are to pass. National Parliaments would of course lose their power. Ireland has only 12 members out of 750 in the European Parliament. When Ireland was part of the UK in the 19th century it had 100 members out of 600 at Westminster, where all UK laws were both proposed and made.

The Lisbon Treaty also provides for a right of petition to the Commission by one million European citizens asking it to propose a new EU law, but there is no obligation on the Commission to do anything apart from "considering" such a request. It can ignore it or reject it. In other words the citizens, if they get a million signatures, have the right to complain and then hope for the best.

Is Lisbon necessary to make the EU more efficient?

The advent of 12 new Member States has not made the negotiation of new EU laws more difficult since they joined the EU. On the contrary, a study by the Science-Po University in Paris calculated that new rules have been adopted a quarter times more quickly since the enlargement from 15 to 27 Member States compared with the two years before enlargement. The study also showed that the 15 older Member States block proposed EU laws twice as often as the newcomers. Professor Helen Wallace of the London School of Economics has found that the EU institutions are working as well as they ever did despite the enlargement of the EU from 15 to 27 members. She found that "the evidence of practice since May 2004 suggests that the EU's institutional processes and practice have stood up rather robustly to the impact of enlargement." The Nice Treaty voting arrangements thus seem to be working well.

If we reject the Lisbon Treaty will we be forced to vote on it again? Europe Minister Dick Roche has stated that if we vote No to Lisbon, we will not be asked to vote again on the same Treaty, as happened when people voted No to the Treaty of Nice. Nor can we be ostracised or thrown out of the EU - anymore than that happened to the French and Dutch when they rejected the EU Constitution, of which Lisbon is a revamped version. We need to send Lisbon back to the EU Prime Ministers and Presidents and tell them that we want a better deal - for Ireland's sake and Europe's sake. We want a more democratic, not a less democratic EU. Ireland can do it, on our own behalf and on behalf of all the peoples of Europe, if we have confidence in ourselves and resist the misrepresentations of what Lisbon is really about, and all the bullying and threats. A Vote No is a Yes to something better!


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Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 09:38:35 AM »
I hope that Brussel will split in two countrys between the flemish and the rest, that would cause a devastating blow to the Eu.

I know the euro will crash when its nations face civil wars between muslims and nonmuslims.

 And then maby people will prosecute the traitors who sold there nations to the islamic agenda
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2008, 11:22:20 AM »
I hope that Brussel will split in two countrys between the flemish and the rest, that would cause a devastating blow to the Eu.

I know the euro will crash when its nations face civil wars between muslims and nonmuslims.

 And then maby people will prosecute the traitors who sold there nations to the islamic agenda
Correction : <<I hope that Brussel Belgium will split in two countrys between the flemish and the rest>>
Brussel, (E:Brussels, F:Bruxelle) is the capital city of Flanders, Europe, and Belgium.

But it is more likely, the US Dollar will crash, and the Euro will replace it as a global currency.
But indeed, EU and Euro will become increasingly unstable , when muzzies rise to power.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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A European Declaration of Independence
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2008, 01:14:38 PM »
A European Declaration of Independence
Authored by Fjordman (Brussels Journal; March 16, 2007)

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-declaration-of-independence.html

A European Declaration of Independence

We, the citizens of the United Kingdom, The Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Hungary, (fill in the blanks) demand that the following steps are taken immediately:

We demand that our national governments should immediately and without delay pull their countries out of the European Union, which should be dismantled entirely. European citizens pay up to half of their salaries in direct or indirect taxes to their nation states. If these nations do not control their own borders nor their policies, and they don't as long as the EU exists, those taxes are a scam. National taxes require national borders. If our national borders are not enforced, we have no obligation whatsoever to pay national taxes.

We demand that all documents regarding the Euro-Arab Dialogue and the creation of the Eurabian networks for "Euro-Mediterranean cooperation" between European countries and Arab countries since the 1970s, as documented by Bat Ye'or's work on Eurabia, are published and explained in their full significance to the general public. Those chiefly responsible for this - one of the greatest betrayals in the history of Western civilization - should stand trial, followed by a period of general de-Eurabification of our laws and regulations.

We demand that all financial support to the Palestinian Authority should cease immediately. It is proven beyond any doubt that this has in the past been used to finance campaigns of Jihad terrorism against Jews in Israel and against Christians in territories under PA control. A public statement in support of Israel against Muslim aggression should be issued, and the money that has previously been awarded to Palestinians should be allocated partly to Israel's defense, partly to establish a Global Infidel Defense Fund with the stated goal of disseminating information about Muslim persecution of non-Muslims worldwide.

We demand that the ideology of Multiculturalism should immediately be removed from all government policies and school curricula, and that the state should adopt a policy of supporting the continuation of the cultural heritage and traditions of the indigenous populations. Multiculturalism has never been about tolerance. It is an anti-Western hate ideology championed as an instrument for unilaterally dismantling European culture. As such, it is an evil ideology bent on an entire culture's eradication, and we, the peoples of Europe, have not just a right, but a duty to resist it and an obligation to pass on our heritage to future generations.

We demand that all Muslim immigration in whatever form should be immediately and completely halted, and that our authorities take a long break from mass immigration in general until such a time when law and order has been reestablished in our major cities. We will not accept any accusations of "racism." Many European nations have for decades accepted more immigration into our countries in a shorter period of time than any other people has done peacefully in human history. We are sick and tired of feeling like strangers in our own lands, of being mugged, raped, stabbed, harassed and even killed by violent gangs of Muslim thugs, yet being accused of "racism and xenophobia" by our media and intimidated by our own authorities to accept even more such immigration.

Europe is being targeted for deliberate colonization by Muslim states, and with coordinated efforts aimed at our Islamization and the elimination of our freedoms. We are being subject to a foreign invasion, and aiding and abetting a foreign invasion in any way constitutes treason. If non-Europeans have the right to resist colonization and desire self-determination then Europeans have that right, too. And we intend to exercise it.

If these demands are not fully implemented, if the European Union isn't dismantled, Multiculturalism isn't rejected and Muslim immigration isn't stopped, we, the peoples of Europe, are left with no other choice than to conclude that our authorities have abandoned us, and that the taxes they collect are therefore are unjust and that the laws that are passed without our consent are illegitimate. We will stop paying taxes and take the appropriate measures to protect our own security and ensure our national survival.
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2008, 03:20:18 PM »
I think that the idea of the EU is good, Europeans need to act together because as individual countries they will become insignificant in the face of rising giants. Clearly something is very wrong in the union as it is due to the evil and corrupt politicians.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2008, 07:09:00 PM »
no idea really.


Hi there, I'm an European and travel frequently to Italy, Denmark and live between Sweden and England. Maybe i'm moving in the wrong circles but i can't see that there is a serious debat anywhere!
Maybe the Europeans doesn't want to be saved and bought in to idea that we all have equal worth and rights no matter what.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2008, 07:29:33 PM »
no idea really.


Hi there, I'm an European and travel frequently to Italy, Denmark and live between Sweden and England. Maybe i'm moving in the wrong circles but i can't see that there is a serious debat anywhere!
Maybe the Europeans doesn't want to be saved and bought in to idea that we all have equal worth and rights no matter what.

Maybe you're in the wrong circles.
in Denmark the majority is nationalistic and ultra-proud to be Danish.

Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2008, 08:54:29 PM »
no idea really.


Hi there, I'm an European and travel frequently to Italy, Denmark and live between Sweden and England. Maybe i'm moving in the wrong circles but i can't see that there is a serious debat anywhere!
Maybe the Europeans doesn't want to be saved and bought in to idea that we all have equal worth and rights no matter what.

Maybe you're in the wrong circles.
in Denmark the majority is nationalistic and ultra-proud to be Danish.


I am proud of you. Now please help us to defend gates of Europe, because if you don't muzies will be on your door to kill everybody..
Serbia will never surrender Kosovo to the breakaway province's ethnic Albanian majority or trade its territory for European Union or NATO membership,

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2008, 11:54:03 PM »
no idea really.


Hi there, I'm an European and travel frequently to Italy, Denmark and live between Sweden and England. Maybe i'm moving in the wrong circles but i can't see that there is a serious debat anywhere!
Maybe the Europeans doesn't want to be saved and bought in to idea that we all have equal worth and rights no matter what.

Maybe you're in the wrong circles.
in Denmark the majority is nationalistic and ultra-proud to be Danish.


I am proud of you. Now please help us to defend gates of Europe, because if you don't muzies will be on your door to kill everybody..
The scenario will be different.
The muzzies, trying to destroy us, are unaware, that civilisation is expanding.
Most of them, that came here, did so, because they disagree with the dictatorship and rules of Islam.

Now their culture-zombie kids are revolting.

We should indeed apply the laws.

More is in fact not needed.

If we apply the law, we can win this game.
The elites, however have a different approach, they want to sell Europe.
These people, control the economy.
Politics follow economy.

Therefore, I hope the economy crashes. Totally.
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2008, 11:55:12 PM »
As I understand, Pres. Milosevic, was not pro a certain gaz or oil pipeline, and therefore, he was doomed.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2008, 12:39:11 PM »
Both Helen and Ambroix have point, mayority of people are not interested in politics and shud not vote becouse they'll just cast the vote on first charlatan or populist who'll promise them the golden flice that way first liberals then nazis and socialists came to power, so when the population act like sheep they'll react like one... only if fodder will become scars they'll wake up... now when the food shortages prophetised in Bible finaly ocurred even in developed countries the time has come. the most crucial thing is to stop support for piss process and palestinian state not (only) for the sake of Jews or Israel but to avert the curse of G-d intended on those who try to divide Erec Israel and Jerusalem. 
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2008, 05:03:16 PM »
no idea really.


Hi there, I'm an European and travel frequently to Italy, Denmark and live between Sweden and England. Maybe i'm moving in the wrong circles but i can't see that there is a serious debat anywhere!
Maybe the Europeans doesn't want to be saved and bought in to idea that we all have equal worth and rights no matter what.

Maybe you're in the wrong circles.
in Denmark the majority is nationalistic and ultra-proud to be Danish.


I am proud of you. Now please help us to defend gates of Europe, because if you don't muzies will be on your door to kill everybody..

Agreed, Ambiorix has done a great job for exposing the iSSlamic threat  O0

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2008, 08:03:48 PM »
no idea really.


Hi there, I'm an European and travel frequently to Italy, Denmark and live between Sweden and England. Maybe i'm moving in the wrong circles but i can't see that there is a serious debat anywhere!
Maybe the Europeans doesn't want to be saved and bought in to idea that we all have equal worth and rights no matter what.

Maybe you're in the wrong circles.
in Denmark the majority is nationalistic and ultra-proud to be Danish.


I am proud of you. Now please help us to defend gates of Europe, because if you don't muzies will be on your door to kill everybody..

Agreed, Ambiorix has done a great job for exposing the iSSlamic threat  O0
I hope it helps.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2008, 08:07:33 PM »
As I understand, Pres. Milosevic, was not pro a certain gaz or oil pipeline, and therefore, he was doomed.
i know :'(
Serbia will never surrender Kosovo to the breakaway province's ethnic Albanian majority or trade its territory for European Union or NATO membership,

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2008, 08:09:40 PM »
As I understand, Pres. Milosevic, was not pro a certain gaz or oil pipeline, and therefore, he was doomed.
i know :'(

HOw is Serbia doing today? Is the Nationalist Party in the government or not yet?
BTW : what about the Eurovision songfestival?!
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2008, 01:21:34 AM »
Actually it is not it's intend, but the MOFO'08 may along the way help with parts of it.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2008, 07:02:02 AM »
I think we need a major economical collapse (like in 1929) to destroy the current EU.

No, that would be counterproductive.
That would force the european countries in to the hand of the rich oil countries.

I believe the best way to save europe would be a shock-therapy:

EU Membership for Turkey.
Start of the blue card program.
Establishment of the Mediterranean Union.

Those things will happen. It would be best, if they happen all at the same time!
Then the People might wake up before the new immigrants can get citizenship.

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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2008, 11:16:06 PM »
Well, how did Louis XVI go down? 8)
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Re: How can we try to destroy the EU and save European nations?
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2008, 06:20:24 PM »
The problem is the real problems started only after he went down.... EU is another bastard child of bloody french revolution among with Hitler, Stalin and both world wars including all those holocausts. But after all those monstrosities it can't be worse... Or so I hope. I think our chance can be crazy shia Iranian jihadism they can strike us before we're all digested by multicultism, feminazism, PC, saudi influence, mass (muslim) imigration and pacifism.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm