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MarZutra:
--- Quote from: YahuwAllah on January 16, 2007, 03:26:04 PM ---i dont need to drive a wedge between christians and jews. your talmud does it just fine, by calling Jesus a bastard, son of a whore, who is boiling in excrement for all eternity.
moslems maintain the highest standards of sexual morality. they observe a nidda separation and have the equivalent of a get and a ketubah in the event of a divorce.
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JESUS IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE TALMUD.....nice try. Now you can get back onto your camel and ride back to the sand of the Yeman... Your ignorance is actually quite entertaining...
azrom:
Lol, I've heard that jesus talmud thing to I was looking for some articles about it and found this
The Talmud and "Yeshu"
Main article: Yeshu
The name Yeshu (alt: Jeshu, Yeishu, Heb: יש"ו) appears in various works of classical Jewish rabbinic literature including the Babylonian Talmud (redacted roughly before 600 CE) and the classical midrash literature written between 200 CE and 700 CE. Scholars have debated the meaning of the name, which has been used as an acronym for the Hebrew expression yemach shemo vezichro ("May his name and memory be obliterated.") The word is similar to, and may be a wordplay on, Yeshua, believed by many to be the original Aramaic or Hebrew name of Jesus. Due to this fact, along with the occurrence in several manuscripts of the Babylonian Talmud of the appellation Ha-Notzri, meaning the nazarene, and some similarities between the stories of the two figures, some or many of the references to Yeshu have been traditionally understood to refer to the Jesus of Christianity. Conversely, others have criticized this view, [18] citing discrepancies between events mentioned in association with Yeshu and the time of Jesus' life, [19] and differences between accounts of the deaths of Yeshu and Jesus. [20]
In all cases of its use, the references are to individuals who (whether real or not) are associated with acts or behaviour that are seen as leading Jews away from Judaism to minuth (a term usually translated as "heresy" or "apostasy"). Therefore, whether Yeshu equates with "Jesus" has historically been a delicate question, as "Yeshu" is portrayed in a negative light, and negative portrayals of Jesus in Jewish literature might incite, or be used as an excuse for, anti-semitism among some Christians.
Some argue that there is no relationship between Yeshu and the historical Jesus; some argue that Yeshu refers to the historical Jesus; some argue that Yeshu is a literary device used by Rabbis to comment on their relationship to and with early Christians.
[edit] Examples
The primary references to Yeshu are found in uncensored texts of the Babylonian Talmud and the Tosefta. (In 1554 the Vatican issued a papal bull censoring the Talmud and other Jewish texts, resulting in the removal of references to Yeshu). No known manuscript of the Jerusalem Talmud makes mention of the name although one translation (Herford) has added it to Avodah Zarah 2:2 to align it with similar text of Chullin 2:22 in the Tosefta. All later usages of the term Yeshu are derived from these primary references. In the Munich (1342 CE), Paris, and Jewish Theological Seminary manuscripts of the Talmud, the appellation Ha-Notzri is added to the last mention of Yeshu in Sanhedrin 107b and Sotah 47a as well as to the occurrences in Sanhedrin 43a, Sanhedrin 103a, Berachot 17b and Avodah Zarah 16b-17a. Student [1], Zindler and McKinsey [2] note that Ha-Notzri is not found in other early pre-censorship partial manuscripts (the Florence, Hamburg and Karlsruhe) where these cover the passages in question.
Although Notzri does not appear in the Tosefta, by the time the Babylonian Talmud was produced, Notzri had become the standard Hebrew word for Christian and Yeshu Ha-Notzri had become the conventional rendition of "Jesus the Nazarene" in Hebrew. For example, by 1180 CE the term Yeshu Ha-Notzri can be found in the Maimonides' Mishneh Torah (Hilchos Melachim 11:4, uncensored version). Although the word Ha-Notzri literally means the nezarene (the one who was born in Nazareth), Maimonides' reference is clearly intended to indicate Jesus.
To explain the dearth of references to Jesus in the Talmud, it has been argued that
The Talmud was subject to censorship. During the medieval period in Europe, Jewish texts were often placed on the Index of Forbidden Books and passages deemed insulting to the Church were expurgated as of 1264 (The entire Talmud was placed on the Index by Pope Paul IV in 1559).
Although restoring these passages still produces only a few mentions of Yeshu, the Mishnah, which forms the skeleton of the Talmud, was written at a time when Christianity was first emerging. The Christians were just one, apparently usual, sect with which the authors contended (others included Sadducees, Samaritans, and Gnostics).
The final redaction of the Talmud, the Babylonian Talmud was created in Babylonia, where Christianity did not have the same impact as it did in the Mediterranean Basin. As such, it was not perceived of as a particularly noticeable threat.
Although it is generally comprehensive, the Talmud is also prone to instances of self-censorship, particularly in response to controversial Jewish factionalism and the fear of anti-Semitic reaction (e.g. Hanukkah is only mentioned in passing in the Talmud, possibly for these reasons).
The Talmud may mention Jesus and Christianity in coded terms, such as min (מין, sometimes translated "apostate" or "heretic"), though this term refers to various sectarian groups. In terms of labeling Christians as minim it is important to note the adage of Rav Nahman in the name of Rava bar Avuha in Tractate Chullin 13b: There are no minim among the gentiles, i.e., the appellation could only be applied to converts from Judaism.
The Talmud was essentially the writing down of the basics of the Oral Law - despite its great size, it is still a very condensed form compared to the knowledge that existed originally, therefore, due to the limited space, only the necessities were discussed that might otherwise be forgotten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus
MasterWolf1:
More Muslim Liars .. Hey Mohammeden give it up your cult has been exposed by your Infidel masters. They can lie as much as they want but thats all they do, lie, promote death and destruction. And calling out the jihad to the "Kafir". And as far as Jesus goes don't play your game I am a Catholic and have my strong beliefs about Jesus.. Jesus didn't say "Chop peoples heads off for G-D". He didn't go after little girls and he did not go on a bloody rampage.
You got that Mahmoud???????
MarZutra:
Azrom you are correct the name Yeshu is mentioned but not the same individual as Jesus of the Christian New Testament due to the fact that the timing is not even remotely similar, so no Jesus is not mentioned within the Talmud. I've heard nazi people read "quotes" from the "Talmud" about Jesus and much molested debauchery as "Talmudic" literature. You probably know more about Judaism than I but I know that if anyone mentions anything that is not mentioned within the Tanach/Torah it will not be in the Talmud... So the best way that defute any of this so-called Talmudic quotes is if it is not mentioned in the Bible OT than it won't be mentioned in the Talmud.
azrom:
Yup, I have seen alot of those talmub articles online that lie about what they say about jesus, they also pass out fliers with their lies on college campuses. >:(
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