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Offline azrom

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Borat
« on: January 16, 2007, 10:09:00 PM »
What do you guys think of him? Here is a great article from charles krauthammer that I agree with



"Borat" is many things: a sidesplitting triumph of slapstick and scatology, a runaway moneymaker and budding franchise, the worst thing to happen to Kazakhstan since the Mongol hordes, and, as columnist David Brooks astutely points out, a supreme display of elite snobbery reveling in the humiliation of the hoaxed hillbilly.


But it is one thing more, something Brooks alluded to in passing but that requires at least one elaboration: an unintentionally revealing demonstration of the unfortunate attitude many liberal Jews have toward working-class American Christians, especially evangelicals.

You know the shtick. Borat goes around America making anti-Semitic remarks in order to elicit a nodding anti-Semitic response. And with enough liquor and cajoling, he succeeds. In the most notorious such scene (on "Da Ali G Show," where the character was born), Borat sings "Throw the Jew Down the Well" in an Arizona bar as the local rubes join in.

Sacha Baron Cohen, the creator of Borat, revealed his purpose for doing that in a rare out-of-character interview he granted Rolling Stone in part to counter charges that he was promoting anti-Semitism. On the face of it, this would be odd, given that Cohen is himself a Sabbath-observing Jew. His defense is that he is using Borat's anti-Semitism as a "tool" to expose it in others. And that his Arizona bar stunt revealed, if not anti-Semitism, then "indifference" to anti-Semitism. And that, he maintains, was the path to the Holocaust.

Whoaaaa. Does he really believe such rubbish? Can a man that smart (Cambridge, investment banker and now brilliant filmmaker) really believe that indifference to anti-Semitism and the road to the Holocaust are to be found in a country-and-western bar in Tucson?

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world.

With anti-Semitism reemerging in Europe and rampant in the Islamic world; with Iran acquiring the ultimate weapon of genocide and proclaiming its intention to wipe out the world's largest Jewish community (Israel); with America and, in particular, its Christian evangelicals the only remaining Gentile constituency anywhere willing to defend that besieged Jewish outpost -- is the American heartland really the locus of anti-Semitism? Is this the one place to go to find it?

In Venezuela, Hugo Chavez says that the "descendants of the same ones that crucified Christ" have "taken possession of all the wealth in the world." Just this month, Tehran hosted an international festival of Holocaust cartoons featuring enough hooked noses and horns to give Goebbels a posthumous smile. Throughout the Islamic world, newspapers and television, schoolbooks and sermons are filled with the most vile anti-Semitism.

Baron Cohen could easily have found what he seeks closer to home. He is, after all, from Europe, where synagogues are torched and cemeteries desecrated in a revival of anti-Semitism -- not "indifference" to but active -- unseen since the Holocaust. Where a Jew is singled out for torture and death by French-African thugs. Where a leading Norwegian intellectual -- et tu, Norway? -- mocks "God's Chosen People" ("We laugh at this people's capriciousness and weep at its misdeeds") and calls for the destruction of Israel, the "state founded . . . on the ruins of an archaic national and warlike religion."

Yet, amid this gathering darkness, an alarming number of liberal Jews are seized with the notion that the real threat lurks deep in the hearts of American Protestants, most specifically Southern evangelicals. Some fear that their children are going to be converted; others, that below the surface lies a pogrom waiting to happen; still others, that the evangelicals will take power in Washington and enact their own sharia law.

This is all quite crazy. America is the most welcoming, religiously tolerant, philo-Semitic country in the world. No nation since Cyrus the Great's Persia has done more for the Jews. And its reward is to be exposed as latently anti-Semitic by an itinerant Jew looking for laughs and, he solemnly assures us, for the path to the Holocaust?

Look. Harry Truman used to tell derisive Jewish jokes. Richard Nixon said nasty things about Jews in government and elsewhere. Who cares? Truman and Nixon were the two greatest friends of the Jews in the entire postwar period: Truman secured them a refuge in the state of Israel, and Nixon saved it from extinction during the Yom Kippur War.

It is very hard to be a Jew today, particularly in Baron Cohen's Europe, where Jew-baiting is once again becoming acceptable. But it is a sign of the disorientation of a distressed and confused people that we should find it so difficult to distinguish our friends from our enemies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/23/AR2006112300966.html

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Re: Borat
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 10:33:28 PM »
Cohen is a self-hating exploiter of anti-Semitism. But it's supposedly 'okay' because he is a comedian and Jewish himself.
Well, sorry. In my opinion he doesn't bring out anti-Jewish sentiment in gentiles, he is a Jew cheerleading it. BUT . . . it's 'okay' because he is Jewish and a comedian, and anyway he is (supposedly) making a larger point -- (and, let's not forget, millions of dollars in the process).

Krauthammer has it about right.

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Re: Borat
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 11:01:56 PM »
Look, any Christian/Protestant Evangelical who makes anti-semitic comments isn't being baited.
Christian/Protestant Evangelical? Why are you bringing religion into this?

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Re: Borat
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 11:06:47 PM »
I'm not so sure Cohen is totally wrong. Rabbi Kahane zt'l used to say that Jews should go to a working class bar and listen to the Gentiles talk about Jews, and that would convince any Jew to move to Israel.
"For it is through the mercy of fools that all Justice is lost"
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Re: Borat
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 11:31:31 PM »
I'm not so sure Cohen is totally wrong. Rabbi Kahane zt'l used to say that Jews should go to a working class bar and listen to the Gentiles talk about Jews, and that would convince any Jew to move to Israel.
It's one thing to listen, another thing to cheerlead; which is what Cohen does: cheerleading anti-Semitism for 'comedic' purposes.
Well I don't find it funny, just like I never found Don Rickles or Mel Brooks funny when they court-jestered their Jewishness to amuse goyishe audiences.

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Re: Borat
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 11:49:12 PM »
"Gilad Atzmon was born in Israel and served in the Israeli military. He is the author of two novels: A Guide to the Perplexed and . . ."

What self-respecting Jew rips off the Rambam's classic title??
Tells you all you need to know about this bum. >:(

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2007, 03:55:37 AM »
Since everything said here so far is U.S.-centric I will make a humble contribution by talking about the British context.

Mr Baron-Cohen lives in British culture.  British culture encourages the humiliation of white working-class people and always has.  No one is a worse enemy to an Englishman than another Englishman.  The worst abusers of British culture are British people.  Therefore, end of discussion about the old 'Jew has irrational dislike of gentile' nonsense.

He did this most masterfully with Ali G.  There was one programme where he, as Ali G, was trying to sell a 'movie' he made to some producers in the U.S.  He had a sex scene in it where he did a red-haired attractive British girl up against a tree.  There was another time in his REAL 'Ali G: Da Movie' when he got chained to a fence with his pants pulled down and he was hoping that the girl he fancied, an attractive English blonde, who had coincidentally come off the bus nearby, would not see his small penis so he hoped to try and get a 'semi'.  But he didn't manage, and she laughed at his small endowment, and went off and dated a black man instead.

Anyway what am I saying?  I am saying that this Jew perfectly demonstrated the worthlessness of much of British culture, and British people went and paid him money to be humiliated this way.  The goyim thought they were cool by taking part in all this, without knowing what was really going on.

The reason for this is obvious.  The Jew, through his longing for the white woman, is driven into doing the most beautiful things: and the Supreme One smiles upon all those who can destroy, and rebuild a Third Temple from the ashes.
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Re: Borat
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2007, 04:02:59 AM »
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I suggest you bear in mind that Ali G, aka Borat aka Sacha Baron Cohen, is himself a practising reactionary misogynist. Seemingly, Sacha Baron Borat Cohen has put back his wedding to former Home And Away star Isla Fisher due to some deep tribal considerations and religious reasons. "The couple," so I learn, "have postponed the big day so Isla can study the Bible in Israel before converting to Sacha's religion of Judaism."



And here is my evidence!
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Re: Borat
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 11:47:01 AM »
Cohen was a member in his youth of Hashomer hatzair.And yes i go to working class bars as much as twice a week and rarely hear people talking anti Jewish
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Re: Borat
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 01:14:12 PM »
Look, any Christian/Protestant Evangelical who makes anti-semitic comments isn't being baited.
Christian/Protestant Evangelical? Why are you bringing religion into this?



Yes, Jewish liberals are idiotic for being suspicious of Christians . . . But I dont' think we should criticize Cohen for seeking out stupidity from ignorant hicks.
Again, why do you assume the bar patrons are Evangelical Christians? They generally are teetotalers, the last people you will find in a bar.

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Re: Borat
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2007, 05:09:55 AM »
he used to be my neighbor in israel,
he speaks some hebrew (also in his movie as "kazach").

this movie is quiet grotesque and has some disturbing scenes with a naked middle aged man in it,
I was so ashamed for him.. I think he is too.
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