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Breakdown of the Halakhic System - Two Earth-Shattering Shiurim - Exclusive
q_q_:
regarding hagar and keturah.
here is the source that some say same woman, some say different woman.
rabbi aryeh kaplan in "the living torah" , provides the sources.
It is online here
http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage&BOOK=1&CHAPTER=25
commentary on Gen 25:1
Keturah
A concubine (1 Chronicles 1:32). Some sources identify her with Hagar (Targum Yonathan; Bereshith Rabbah 61; Rashi). Others, however, maintain that she was a third wife (Bereshith Rabbah 57; Zohar 1:133b; Ibn Ezra; Rashbam; Ramban on 25:6). One ancient source states that Hagar was already dead at this time (Yov'loth 19:13).
Lubab:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 29, 2008, 05:35:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 05:32:30 PM ---If I can answer both questions about Hagar and Keturah and the machloket on cooked vegetables to your satisfaction will you all become Chabad Chassidim?
;)
I will research and get back to you on both these points. I don't claim to know how to do this myself with every machloket but I know where to find the people who do...
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most important, is the quote from the shulchan aruch that you claim is the basis for this idea that all opinions from post gemara to taz and shach, are true.
it would be interesting to see your responses to those objections mentioned though.
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No. I never said that was from the Shulchan Aruch. I said it was a tradition of the Chabad Rebbes going back to the Alter Rebbe (author of the Shulchan Aruch HaRav) and is codified in a book called Hayom Yom.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 06:04:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 29, 2008, 05:35:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 05:32:30 PM ---If I can answer both questions about Hagar and Keturah and the machloket on cooked vegetables to your satisfaction will you all become Chabad Chassidim?
;)
I will research and get back to you on both these points. I don't claim to know how to do this myself with every machloket but I know where to find the people who do...
--- End quote ---
most important, is the quote from the shulchan aruch that you claim is the basis for this idea that all opinions from post gemara to taz and shach, are true.
it would be interesting to see your responses to those objections mentioned though.
--- End quote ---
No. I never said that was from the Shulchan Aruch. I said it was a tradition of the Chabad Rebbes going back to the Alter Rebbe (author of the Shulchan Aruch HaRav) and is codified in a book called Hayom Yom.
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ok.. interesting that the chazon ish had the same idea, of rishonim having ruach hakodesh.
anyhow, be interesting to see how you deal with the objections given, and maintain that in those examples asked of you, both opinions don't contradict each other, and are both true!
Lubab:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 29, 2008, 09:23:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 06:04:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 29, 2008, 05:35:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 05:32:30 PM ---If I can answer both questions about Hagar and Keturah and the machloket on cooked vegetables to your satisfaction will you all become Chabad Chassidim?
;)
I will research and get back to you on both these points. I don't claim to know how to do this myself with every machloket but I know where to find the people who do...
--- End quote ---
most important, is the quote from the shulchan aruch that you claim is the basis for this idea that all opinions from post gemara to taz and shach, are true.
it would be interesting to see your responses to those objections mentioned though.
--- End quote ---
No. I never said that was from the Shulchan Aruch. I said it was a tradition of the Chabad Rebbes going back to the Alter Rebbe (author of the Shulchan Aruch HaRav) and is codified in a book called Hayom Yom.
--- End quote ---
ok.. interesting that the chazon ish had the same idea, of rishonim having ruach hakodesh.
anyhow, be interesting to see how you deal with the objections given, and maintain that in those examples asked of you, both opinions don't contradict each other, and are both true!
--- End quote ---
I have been very VERY busy today and have not been able to do the research. But I'm a man of my word and I want you to hold me to this. I WILL (G-d willing) research and get back to you on both those topics and see if we can figure out how both are true.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 09:39:51 PM ---I have been very VERY busy today and have not been able to do the research. But I'm a man of my word and I want you to hold me to this. I WILL (G-d willing) research and get back to you on both those topics and see if we can figure out how both are true.
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no urgency, in your own time. A forum is a fantastic medium for torah discussion.
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