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Faked certificate suggests that Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
By Reuven Koret  June 24, 2008
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
 
It is now a certainty that the "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign as authentic is a photoshopped fake.

The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks. But now the senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed to Israel Insider what are the required features of a certified birth document -- features that Obama's purported "birth certificate" clearly lack.

The image became increasingly suspect with Israel Insider's revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.

That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not generally known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.

Some of these oddities surfaced in Israel Insider's previous article on the subject, but new comparative documentary evidence presented below, and official verification obtained by Israel Insider from a senior Hawaiian official, provides the strongest confirmation yet.

An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama's alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

Compare the top image presented by his campaign as evidence of Obama's 1961 birth and the other certifying the birth of one Patricia Decosta.


So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date "filed by registrar", the certified DeCosta document provides the date "accepted by the registrar." The difference between filing an application for a Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here.

The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image -- what now appears to be a crude forgery -- raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.

Until now, it has been thought that there might be some embarrassing information on the real certificate: was the candidate's name something other than Barack Hussein Obama II, as it is claimed? Was no father listed because of the uncertainty over Obama's paternity? Was his father's race listed as Arab, or Muslim, rather than African? These revelations might be embarrassing, and further undermine his credibility, but he could disavow and downplay their significance. Would revealing such embarrassment outweigh the far greater risks involved in perpetuating a palpable forgery, or passing off an uncertified official document as being certified?

There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation's chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama's origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.

Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.

But if, at this late date, Obama has no proof of being a US citizen by law, natural born or otherwise, then he or his advisers may be tempted to try to "tough out" the allegations about his "birth certificate" or the lack thereof. He and his campaign have gotten through other embarrassments: maybe this one will go away, too.

Because the consequences were he to admit, or should it come out, that he was not born in Hawaii would be so grave as to make it tempting to take the gamble and hope that no one dares call his most audacious bluff by demanding proof. Talk about the audacity of hope.

But now the State of Hawaii has dashed those hopes by clarifying that a certified birth certificate must have an embossed seal and signature, features his claimed birth certificate image lack.

The longer Obama waits, the graver grow the consequences of waiting.

There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate -- if one exists. If he's lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver's license. Surely it's not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.

The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President.

If proof of citizenship does not exist, then surely it would be wiser to admit it now.

Because if Barack Hussein Obama II does not produce definitive proof of his "natural born" American citizenship with original, verifiable documents, he will be setting the stage for a very public battle over his personal credibility, the basic legitimacy of his candidacy, and its possible criminality.
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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 04:08:10 AM »
This is great!  Do you think there's an effort behind the scenes to cover this up more? When does the Justice Department do the background search or do they have operatives there that will help bury the truth?  Is it possible that Obama had government help from another country to clean up his past???

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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 06:53:37 AM »
Audacity of A Schvartza

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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 09:48:59 AM »
I find it very "odd" that Obama's "so-called" birth certificate should list the Father's Race as "African"!

Not only is "African" not a race, but the date of Obama's birth, 1961, is long before the "Civil Rights" movement and Civil Rights Legislation passed under the Johnson Administration in 1964!

Only then did Negroes begin demanding to be called "Blacks".

Shortly afterwards the "Blacks" began demanding to be called "Afro-Americans".

Why would the State of Hawaii list "African" as his Father's race?

Perhaps that is how Hawaii did things then, but I tend to doubt it.

Thoughts about this?


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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 10:00:54 AM »
Very interesting, lets hope that this is proven to be a forgery. This disqualifies a person from office right?

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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 11:58:29 AM »
I find it very "odd" that Obama's "so-called" birth certificate should list the Father's Race as "African"!

Not only is "African" not a race, but the date of Obama's birth, 1961, is long before the "Civil Rights" movement and Civil Rights Legislation passed under the Johnson Administration in 1964!

Only then did Negroes begin demanding to be called "Blacks".

Shortly afterwards the "Blacks" began demanding to be called "Afro-Americans".

Why would the State of Hawaii list "African" as his Father's race?

Perhaps that is how Hawaii did things then, but I tend to doubt it.

Thoughts about this?



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The major reason that Obama will not release his birth certificate is that his father’s race is not listed as “black” but as “Arabic” which is how many Kenyan passports from the 1960s were issued.

http://a11news.com/188/barack-obama-birth-certificate/

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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 12:16:42 PM »
OP: I can hear it now: "He be a citson, you be racist cracka. Now 'scuse me, I be go to da welfare orffice to get my checks. Tonight be gourmet eatin and sh*t, KFC and Collard Greens, mmmhmm!" :::D

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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 12:21:14 PM »
Very interesting, lets hope that this is proven to be a forgery. This disqualifies a person from office right?

Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:

1.  be a natural born citizen of the united States
2.  be at least 35 years old
3.  have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years


When you write, "This disqualifies a person from office right?", I presume you refer to the presidency only.  Governors, members of congress, mayors, and local officials can be naturalized citizens.  
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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 05:23:16 AM »
I find it very "odd" that Obama's "so-called" birth certificate should list the Father's Race as "African"!

Not only is "African" not a race, but the date of Obama's birth, 1961, is long before the "Civil Rights" movement and Civil Rights Legislation passed under the Johnson Administration in 1964!

Only then did Negroes begin demanding to be called "Blacks".

Shortly afterwards the "Blacks" began demanding to be called "Afro-Americans".

Why would the State of Hawaii list "African" as his Father's race?

Perhaps that is how Hawaii did things then, but I tend to doubt it.

Thoughts about this?



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The major reason that Obama will not release his birth certificate is that his father’s race is not listed as “black” but as “Arabic” which is how many Kenyan passports from the 1960s were issued.

http://a11news.com/188/barack-obama-birth-certificate/



His mother was uggggllllyyyy!!!! She looks like a guy I went to high school with. 

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Re: Faked certificate - Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2008, 11:09:41 PM »
  Oh, he is SO NOT born here!!!!  >:(
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