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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
And I am in no position to tell a person one way or another, but certainly, neither are you! But I am merely speculating about what a rabbi might say, specifically to contrast your very brunt response.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
I didn't bring up any stringencies, or even doing something one way and saying no you must do it the harder way, etc. BUT at the same time, I would like to see which Rav has the beitzim, and ignorance to say that any sin is allowed for a certain Jew who was brought up one way as opposed to another Jew brought up differently. Now, this is in regard to a sin, in regard to not doing a Mitzva (something positive as opposed to allowing something negative) then yes I also do believe that their might and will be stringencies, expecially in regard to DeRabbanim laws (and how much, etc. depending on the Rav).
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on July 10, 2008, 12:14:06 AM ---I didn't bring up any stringencies, or even doing something one way and saying no you must do it the harder way, etc. BUT at the same time, I would like to see which Rav has the beitzim, and ignorance to say that any sin is allowed for a certain Jew who was brought up one way as opposed to another Jew brought up differently. Now, this is in regard to a sin, in regard to not doing a Mitzva (something positive as opposed to allowing something negative) then yes I also do believe that their might and will be stringencies, expecially in regard to DeRabbanim laws (and how much, etc. depending on the Rav).
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Tzvi, like I said you have no idea what you're talking about. Go look for beitzim somewhere else.
Harzel:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on July 09, 2008, 11:50:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rubystars on July 09, 2008, 10:53:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Americanhero on July 09, 2008, 10:11:52 PM ---Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
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I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
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Bottom line- the Real reason (actualy behind everything) is that it is G-d's will. He made the rules, we just have to follow them, He said something is assur (forbidden) then it is forbidden. But on a lower level where we can understand a little- as bad as this might sound (actualy not because I didn't make the rules, G-d did), eating and drinking together with other people creates a bond between them, if Jews socialize with their surroundings, first its eating and drinking, then the character and the way the Jew thinks and acts starts to change, and then the third step is the Jew giving his daugher and sons to his good buddy's son or daughter.
Again this is not to degrade others, and doesn't mean that Jews should not show respect to others in society, on the contrary show respect when due, be good citizens, but dont do what G-d doesn't want you to do, which is intermarry and assimilate (which can and is on many levels not just marriage).
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I never heard that it is forbidden to socialize with gentiles. I think It is not from deoraita. We can learn from the story of purim. The Jews participated in the feast of Ahashverosh. According to tradition this act angered God, but not because of the act of drinking and socializing but because it was a celebration for a foreign nation, so the Jews were happy to reside in exile rather than go back to Judea.
Rubystars:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on July 09, 2008, 11:50:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rubystars on July 09, 2008, 10:53:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Americanhero on July 09, 2008, 10:11:52 PM ---Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
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I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
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Bottom line- the Real reason (actualy behind everything) is that it is G-d's will. He made the rules, we just have to follow them, He said something is assur (forbidden) then it is forbidden. But on a lower level where we can understand a little- as bad as this might sound (actualy not because I didn't make the rules, G-d did), eating and drinking together with other people creates a bond between them, if Jews socialize with their surroundings, first its eating and drinking, then the character and the way the Jew thinks and acts starts to change, and then the third step is the Jew giving his daugher and sons to his good buddy's son or daughter.
Again this is not to degrade others, and doesn't mean that Jews should not show respect to others in society, on the contrary show respect when due, be good citizens, but dont do what G-d doesn't want you to do, which is intermarry and assimilate (which can and is on many levels not just marriage).
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Thanks Tzvi. That's one reason I support racial segregation, because even though I think that different races can respect one another and there are good people in all races, I don't want them to melt together and lose their separate identities. I can certainly understand the concern about Jewish assimilation since that's such as issue for the Jewish community today, and Chaim and Kahane and others fought so hard to keep that from happening to the Soviet Jews.
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