Tsvi, from what I know of Chaimfan, I think he is just expressing his outrage that Israelis would allow the release of a vicious murderer in exchange for some bones, which might not even belong to the dead soldiers. You might not like how it was written, but I think he's basically saying that Jews in Israel need to have more self respect, rather than trying to make deals with Arabs.
So what? What does this post, this article, this entire subject have to do with
JUDAISM?!? Who in the hell do you think you are cf to call Judaism "self-hating?"
And then CF you have the nerve to complain to Tzvi that he isn't considering context. CF, YOU are the one not considering context. You present some faulty poll result from skewed ynet and act like every Jew believes a muderer should be set free, when that wasn't the question asked. We have discussed this misleading poll again and again but you refuse to accept that 1. it asked a misleading question and 2. it ran on the presumption that the israeli soldiers were still alive, which impacted the results. And 3. If Israelis were presented with the facts and not bombarded on a daily basis with self-hating rot and capitulation cinema in the news, they would choose more wisely even despite the emotional provocation of the poll which appeals to conscience about freeing captives.
If you are told again and again and again that there is no other way, this is the only option, there is no choice or alternative, etc etc, at some point you take that for granted. Probably many of the 600 polled by the "center for peace research" had reached this point already. And they were asked if it will help free the soldiers, should we release lebanese prisoners.
How much money do you want to bet that when this yahoo.com article says "polls show majority of Israelis support the prisoner exchange" that they are either a. lying and distorting, business as usual or b. referring to the ynet poll of 600 people. 600! And one that didn't tell us the margin of error and refused to disclose any more information about the sample other than a "representing various sectors." As I have also said before, they could have conducted these polls in the heart of tel aviv for all we know. Any polling agency that named itself with the word Shalom in it, I wouldn't trust. And this sentence from that article was very telling: "The data, said the Steinmetz Center is vastly different than that of last month, when of 46% of those polled opposed the deal and only 38% favored it. " Why the big change in one month? Could it be the small sample size combined with the media propaganda campaign, combined with a leftist sampling used by the pollsters to distort the results? I never put too much stock in polls, but especially not in a case like this. You seem to put all your stock in ynet and the Israeli "center for peace research" as honest and forthright without any agenda or bias.
And in the very same sentence this yahoo article reveals that most Israelis are
anguished that Kuntar will be released. Why don't they present a stat related to this? How bout a poll? They wouldn't dare take one. And what % of the population knows what Kuntar did and who he really is? The fact that they call it a "prisoner exchange" is again a distortion of language - the media's expertise.
CF, you seem to have an obsession over badmouthing and bashing Israeli Jews. It's one thing to sling mud at meeretz scum and olmert. It's quite another to assume (and constantly belabor) that every average Israeli on the street is deep down, just like the wimp traitorous meretz and piss now scum. This couldn't be more untrue, for one thing, and secondly, if it was true, then OUR MOVEMENT WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE OF EVER SUCCEEDING. It is precisely because the opposite is true, that deep down most of the Israeli Jews are proud Jews at heart, good people, and WOULD make the right decisions if they are told the truth, and are NOT self-hating...... This is why our message appeals to the Israeli youth, why this movement can succeed, and why Rabbi Kahane ever had the amount of support he had. You should consider this.