Author Topic: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel  (Read 9074 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Maimonides

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 645
  • The Greatest Jewish Sage
Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« on: July 16, 2008, 07:00:06 PM »
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16597

Quote
Newly-installed Lebanese President Michel Suleiman on Sunday threatened to militarily conquer the Israeli-controlled Shebaa Farms region of the Golan Heights if Israel did not agree to surrender the territory.

Suleiman was speaking to reporters at a Mediterranean summit in Paris just hours after Israeli officials confirmed that the Lebanese army had paved a road to and set up a military base just a few hundred yards from the Shebaa Farms.

A long-time ally of Hizballah, Suleiman was head of the Lebanese army until his ascendancy to the presidency earlier this summer as part of concessions that Hizballah extracted from the Western-backed government of Prime Minister Fuad Siniora.

Hizballah used Israel's continued control of the Shebaa Farms region to justify its 2006 cross-border assault that sparked the Second Lebanon War.

Despite Lebanese claims, the UN verified in 2000 that Israel had fully withdrawn from southern Lebanon, and placed the Shebaa Farms in the Golan Heights, a region taken from Syria in the 1967 Six Day War.

Nevertheless, the international community has failed to take Lebanon to task for continuing to claim sovereignty over a territory that it never controlled, and for using that artificial dispute to excuse continued aggression against its neighbor.

Emboldened by the lack of an international response to Lebanon's belligerent moves and rhetoric, a senior Hizballah leader at the weekend said his group now insists that Israel surrender not only the Shebaa Farms, but also five small Shiite Muslim villages in northern Israel.

Speaking to the Hizballah daily newspaper al-Akhbar, Sheikh Abd al-Amir Kiblan declared, "It is our intention to liberate the Shiite villages in northern Israel."

Due to Israel's weak leaders and people now even Lebanon, which has a joke of a military, thinks it can defeat Israel.

Unless a Righteous Jewish government comes to power in Israel very soon, Israel might soon be facing a  1973 Yom Kippur type sneak attack, but only this time Israel will lose.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2008, 09:35:27 PM by Maimonides »
“You must accept the truth from whatever source it comes”- Maimonides

Offline nikmatdam

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 892
  • one of my earliest rebbeim/rav nachman bulman zt"l
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 08:16:06 PM »
they're acting on behalf of syria... see hirhome.com on this ... whole series of essays on the war two summers ago... and how leb. never held these lands ever in history... but syria did... and now that they can get leb. to sue for it with world opinion supporting it so they are lying about their ancient connection to these farms... when syria lost them fair and square in '67 for invading us...nik. out...
« Last Edit: July 16, 2008, 08:21:39 PM by nikmatdam »
"i am nikmatdam... humble and imperfect servant of Hashem... and i yearn for redemption but i absolutely ache for Divine justice and vengeance..."

Offline nikmatdam

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 892
  • one of my earliest rebbeim/rav nachman bulman zt"l
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008, 08:21:21 PM »
here's the lead article in that series by francisco gil-white... nik.
www.hirhome.com

Notify me of new HIR pieces!
 

Who attacked Israel?
Hezbollah has a master.

Historical and Investigative Research - 21 July 2006
by Francisco Gil-White
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hezbollah.htm

     Read this article
 in:
  English

  Portuguese

  Russian

___________________________________________________________
When a gangster wants somebody dead he rarely pulls the trigger himself. It is true that Hezbollah attacked Israel, but who really attacked Israel? To answer this question, we need to understand who controls Hezbollah, which requires a sense of Hezbollah’s place in Lebanese politics.

In 1978, Israel invaded Lebanon to protect Israeli civilians in northern Israel who were being murdered by PLO terrorists based in southern Lebanon. Consistent with the main pattern of US foreign policy over the years, which has been to sabotage Israeli self-defense, the US forced the Israelis to withdraw.[1] Then Israel invaded again in 1982, because the terrorist violence coming from southern Lebanon had become intolerable. The Israeli Defense Forces were poised to destroy the PLO but once again the US intervened to stop the Israelis, and provided the PLO with a US military escort to its new home in Tunis.[2] One of the consequences of the 1982 invasion was an Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon that lasted almost two decades, and this became the excuse for Hezbollah:

“Hezbollah was ‘inspired by the success of the Iranian Revolution’ and was formed primarily to combat Israeli occupation following the 1982 Lebanon War.”[3]

The Israeli occupation lasted until the year 2000, when Israeli forces evacuated Lebanon, under Ehud Barak. And yet a terrorist movement against Israeli civilians -- Hezbollah -- persists in southern Lebanon. Why? The Israeli withdrawal should have put an end to terrorism predicated on resisting the Israeli occupation.

With Israel gone it remained to rid the country of the other occupiers in order to make Lebanon an independent country again. The other occupiers were the Syrians, lords of Lebanon since 1976-77, after one of the factions in the Lebanese civil war had invited them in.[4] Consistent with the goal to give back to the Lebanese their political independence,

“United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 [2 September 2004] …called upon Syria to end its military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias (including Hezbollah) to disband.”[5]

The same source informs me that,

“On April 26, 2005, after 29 years of military action in Lebanon, the last Syrian troops left Lebanon. Syrian military and intelligence facilities, after the destruction of sensitive documents or the transportation of logistical material, were turned over to Lebanese counterparts. This action left the Lebanese government as the main violator of the resolution due to its refusal to dismantle the pro-Syrian Palestinian and Hezbollah militias.”

This is an act of war. If the Lebanese government refuses to dismantle terrorist organizations publicly dedicated to the destruction of Israeli civilians (the most important of which is Hezbollah), and which the UN Security Council has asked Lebanon to dismantle, then Lebanon declared war on Israel -- as far back as 2 September 2004.

But is it really Lebanon that declared war on Israel? There are reasons to doubt this.

Notice what the UN News Service reported on 23 January 2006:

“23 January 2006 -- The United Nations Security Council today called on the Government of Lebanon to make more progress in controlling its territory and disbanding militias [i.e. terrorist organizations], while also calling on Syria to cooperate with those efforts.

In a statement read out by its January President, Augustine Mahiga of Tanzania, the Council also called on Syria to take measures to stop movements of arms and personnel into Lebanon that have been reported.”[6]

So Syria, the country that for “29 years of military action in Lebanon” was its true master, hasn’t really left Lebanon, nor has it ceased to be its master. The UN weakly complains that Syrian troops are back in Lebanon but capitulates to the facts when it requests Syrian cooperation in the suppression of terrorist groups inside Lebanon. United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 therefore did not affect the status quo (though it may have affected certain appearances): Syria owns Lebanon.

This has even been formalized in a Syrian-Lebanese Supreme Council.[6a]

Given this state of affairs, it is more proper to interpret Lebanon's refusal to dismantle the anti-Israeli terrorist groups as a Syrian declaration of war on Israel. This interpretation is well supported by the manner in which the Lebanese government has replied to UN resolution 1559:

“In the slime of what is happening in our Arabic region, and under the auspices of the failure of the political solutions aiming to find a solution to the Arabic-Israeli conflict because of Israel’s obstinacy and refusing to return to the table of negotiations and giving free rein to the threats against Lebanon and Syria by its leaders, and intensifying its aerial violations of the Lebanese territories’ sanctity and executing terrorist acts and assassination operations against the leaders of the Lebanese and Palestinian resistance in both countries. In this context the resolution 1559 issued by the security council on 3/9/2004 with all its ambiguity and contradictions, is considered an unconventional precedent in the history of international relations, constituting an interference in the sovereignty and independence of Lebanon.”[7]

Suppose you have UN resolution 1559, which is designed to give Lebanon independence from the stranglehold that Syria’s obsession to destroy Israel has placed on it. And suppose that Lebanon decries this UN resolution as “interference in the sovereignty and independence of Lebanon.” What is that? An absurdity. How can we resolve it? Simple: it is Syria that is complaining above -- not Lebanon.

And Syria controls Hezbollah. This is relatively obvious to anybody not already comatose: in 2005 the New York Times reported on a “massive pro-Syrian demonstration that the Hezbollah militia mounted on the streets of Beirut.”[9a]

US officials are happy with the total control that Syria has over Lebanon, but they don't want the public noticing that they are. The Middle East Intelligence Bulletin tells me that,

“...successive American administrations have been reluctant to openly push for an end to Syrian protection of Hezbollah. In fact, the United States has been unwilling even to publicly request that the Syrians end this protection. ...[there is a] long-standing American policy of avoiding public statements which mention or suggest that Syria controls Lebanese policy decisions.”[8]

Of course, every once in a while a distracted president may turn a private remark into a public one, giving us a peek into what is really going on. This week, at the meeting of G-8 heads of state,

“U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair had a private lunchtime conversation picked up by an open microphone.

The chat started with the U.S. President giving a ‘Yo, Blair’ shout out to his British counterpart, and spread over the Internet within hours. Bush expressed his frustration over the current situation in the Middle East: ‘You see, the ... thing is what they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this excrement and it’s over.’”[9]

If Bush thinks the whole thing will be over the minute Hezbollah ceases to attack Israeli civilians, then he recognizes that the Israelis do not want a foreign war, and are merely defending themselves from unprovoked, terrorist Hezbollah attacks. The question of who “they” are is of course interesting and I will address it in a forthcoming piece, but the above makes it clear that the US president sees Hezbollah as a Syrian pet.

We may conclude the obvious: It is Syria that attacked Israel.


What is the supposed grievance against Israel?
_____________________________________________

Now, what grievance does Hezbollah -- Syria’s Lebanese tool against innocent Israeli civilians -- officially say that it has against Israel? According to the same Lebanese Army document quoted above,

“The national resistance which is confronting the Israeli occupation [i.e. Hezbollah] is not a guerilla and it has no security role inside the country and its activities are restricted to facing the Israeli enemy.”[10]

But when that document was published, Israel had already withdrawn from Lebanon some time before, had it not? Yes, it had. So why was there still a large terrorist movement inside Lebanon -- Hezbollah -- that was claiming to be “confronting the Israeli occupation,” if this occupation no longer existed? What land were they saying they were going to liberate? The same document explains:

“This resistance led to the withdrawal of the enemy from the bigger part of our occupied land and is still persistent to free the farms of Shebaa.”

In other words, yes, Israel had evacuated Lebanon, but what about the Shebaa Farms? Israel was still in possession of the Shebaa Farms.

What are the farms of Shebaa?

“The Shebaa Farms lie at the borders of Lebanon, Syria and Israel. Israel has occupied it since winning it from Syria in the six-day war of 1967. The UN has ruled that the land belonged to Syria, but a majority of Lebanese claim it as their own, including Hizbollah, who use Israel’s occupation of the area as the logic behind their maintenance of armed militia.”[11]

Is your mind bending? The Hezbollah, in Lebanon, claims as its reason for continuing its murders of Israeli civilians that it is fighting for a piece of land that belonged to Syria before 1967. But if before 1967 this land belonged to Syria, then when was this a part of Lebanon? Never. Independent Lebanon begins in 1943.[12] But we can go further back, because Shebaa Farms was not even in pre-independence Lebanon.

“according to the British-French agreement on the Lebanese-Palestinian border in 1923 [in those days the names 'Syria' and 'Palestine' were used indistinguishably to refer to Syria; see here], the Shebaa Farms are not included in the Lebanese side.”[12a]

The European colonialists who created entirely arbitrary countries in the Middle East put Shebaa Farms in the arbitrary country that became Syria, not the arbitrary country that became Lebanon.

The same wire reports,

“But Beirut retorted that the area was bequeathed to [Lebanon] in a 1951 agreement between Lebanon and its major power broker Syria.”

Really? Syria bequeathed Shebaa Farms to Lebanon? How strange, then, that the UN, as mentioned above, should have ruled that this land, before 1967, belonged to Syria. The UN is certainly no friend of Israel's, but it is constrained by the fact that Shebaa Farms had never belonged to Lebanon, and by the fact that it was Syria that lost Shebaa Farms to Israel in the 1967 Six Day War.

And yet despite all this, Syria -- too -- now claims that Shebaa Farms is Lebanese territory![13] In truth, however, “The Syrian government has yet to officially [my emphasis] reverse its long-standing position that the area is part of Syria, and every known map produced to date by the Syrian government shows the area as part of Syria.”[14] In other words, Syria is saying in public that Shebaa Farms is Lebanese territory but it doesn't really mean it.

But this nonsense is perfectly transparent.

First, the farms of Shebaa no longer rightfully belong to Syria because the Six Day War of 1967 was provoked by the Arab states, including Syria, with the publicly stated goal of seeking the destruction of the state and people of Israel.[15] When you lose a piece of land trying to exterminate your neighbor, you don’t have a right to get it back.

Why are the farms of Shebaa important?

Though they constitute the tiniest piece of land in the world,[15a] the farms of Shebaa are part of the Golan Heights, strategic high territory on the Syrian-Israeli border that Syria regularly used to kill Israeli farmers, shelling them from above.[16] It is the Golan Heights that Syria lost in 1967. The Golan Heights are a big deal: a Pentagon study determined that if Israel were to relinquish the Golan Heights it would commit suicide.[17]

Since losing the Golan Heights, Syria cannot kill Israeli civilians from positions in its own territory. This helps explain why Syria subsequently took over Lebanon and has been sponsoring terrorist attacks against Israel from there. The public excuse for this Lebanon-based terrorism used to be opposition against the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon (which occupation had begun as an attempt to eradicate anti-Israeli terrorism from southern Lebanon…).

But then Israel evacuated southern Lebanon in 2000, and in fact Israel

“was so scrupulous in making sure that not one square inch of Lebanon was left inadvertently occupied that it asked the United Nations to verify the exact frontier defining Lebanon's southern border and retreated behind it. This 'blue line' was approved by the Security Council, which declared that Israel had fully complied with resolutions demanding its withdrawal from Lebanon.”[18]

It was therefore impossible to claim, from this point onwards, that there was an Israeli occupation to resist in southern Lebanon. This is why, in order to continue the murder of innocent Israelis, the Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon now claim that they want to liberate the Shebaa Farms (which were once part of Syria, and were never part of Lebanon). Not coincidentally, the earliest Lebanese claim to Shebaa Farms that I can find is from...the year 2000, the same year that Israel completely withdrew from Lebanon.

Why are the Syrians endorsing Hezbollah's nonsense claim? Because there is a real commitment, here, to the killing of Jews: any absurdity will be tolerated, so long as it can be raised as a flag to justify attacking innocent Jewish life. The entire circus is naturally a Syrian concoction to attack Israel -- there is no real Lebanese grievance here. If Syria were to regain the Shebaa Farms, through Lebanon, it would be regaining a foothold on the strategic Golan Heights, which will vastly enhance Syria’s ability to destroy Israel -- its furious goal.

Before closing, let me point out that if US President George Bush is genuinely surprised that the Syrians unleashed Hezbollah against Israel, forcing the Israeli government -- which had been graciously collaborating with the US-ordered process of national self-destruction -- to retaliate in self-defense, then Bush did not want this particular war. His apparent displeasure is consistent with that. HIR will soon publish an article examining this hypothesis.

    
 Take me to the

 

in this series.

     Israel at War -- An HIR Series 


< Who attacked Israel?

< What is Hezbollah?

< What caused this war?

< Understanding the US position | 1

< Understanding the US position | 2

< The Arab reaction, and what it means

< Who is killing Lebanese civilians? | 1

< Who is killing Lebanese civilians? | 2

< What is wrong with the media? | 1

< What is wrong with the media? | 2

_____________________________________________________

Footnotes and Further Reading
_____________________________________________________

[1]  “In June 1978, Prime Minister [Menachem] Begin, under intense American pressure, withdrew Israel's Litani River Operation forces from southern Lebanon… The withdrawal of Israeli troops without having removed the PLO from its bases in southern Lebanon became a major embarrassment to the Begin government…”

SOURCE: Source: “Israel 1967-1991; Lebanon 1982”; Palestine Facts.   http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_lebanon_198x_backgd.php

[2]  1982-1983 -- The US military rushed into Lebanon to protect the PLO from the Israelis; from “IS THE US AN ALLY OF ISRAEL: A Chronological look at the evidence”; Historical and Investigative Research; by Francisco Gil-White.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally2.htm#1982

[3] Hezbollah | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

[4] “Constitutionally guaranteed Christian control of the government had come under increasing fire from Muslims and leftists, leading them to join forces as the National Movement in 1969, which called for the taking of a new census and the subsequent drafting of a new governmental structure that would reflect the census results. Political tension became military conflict, with full-scale civil war in April 1975. The Maronite leadership called for Syrian intervention in 1976, leading to the presence of Syrian troops in Lebanon, and an Arab summit in 1976 was called to stop the crisis.”

SOURCE: History of Lebanon | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lebanon#Initial_outbreak
.2C_1975.E2.80.9376_and_Syrian_intervention

[5] United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1559

[6] “Security Council calls on Lebanon to assert control over all its territory”; UN News Service; 23 January 2006.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17263&Cr=middle&Cr1=leban

[6a] "The Syrian-Lebanese Supreme Council held its first session here today ... formed in accordance with a syrian-lebanese accord signed in May ... both countries' prime ministers, deputy prime ministers, defense ministers and parliament speakers attended the meeting ... "

SOURCE: First Syrian-Lebanese Supreme Council meets in Damascus, Xinhua General News Service, OCTOBER 17, 1991, THURSDAY, 239 words, Damascus, October 17; ITEM NO: 1017001

[7] This was taken from the Lebanese army website:
http://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/PrintArticle.asp?id=6077

According to Wikipedia, this was the Lebanese government’s reply to UN resolution 1559.

SOURCE: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1559

[8] SOURCE: "Hezbollah: Between Tehran and Damascus"; Middle East Intelligence Bulletin; Vol. 4, No. 2; February 2002; by Gary C. Gambill and Ziad K. Abdelnour

[9] CHATTER WE WON'T HEAR; EVER WONDER WHAT THOSE WORLD LEADERS MIGHT BE SAYING WHEN THE MICROPHONES ARE OFF?,  The Toronto Sun, July 20, 2006 Thursday,  FINAL EDITION, EDITORIAL/OPINION; Pg. 20, 513 words, BY RACHEL MARSDEN

[9a] The Beirut Tea Party, The New York Times, March 10, 2005 Thursday, Late Edition - Final, Section A; Column 6; Editorial Desk; Pg. 27, 776 words, By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

[10] This was taken from the Lebanese army website:
http://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/PrintArticle.asp?id=6077

According to Wikipedia, this was the Lebanese government’s reply to the UN’s 23 January 2006 request that Lebanon comply with UN resolution 1559.

SOURCE: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1559

[11] Israelis exchange fire with Hezbollah in disputed area,  The Independent (London), February 4, 2006 Saturday,  Second Edition, NEWS; Pg. 26, 475 words, By Hugh Macleod in Shebaa, south Lebanon

[12] Lebanon | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon

[12a] Israel Must Return Shebaa Farms to Lebanon: PM, XINHUA GENERAL NEWS SERVICE, May 4, 2000, Thursday, WORLD NEWS; POLITICAL, 243 words, BEIRUT, May 4

[13] “Israel finally withdrew from the "security zone" in 2000, during the Prime Ministership of Ehud Barak. Israel continues to control a small area called "Shebaa Farms", which Lebanon and Syria claim to be Lebanese territory but Israel insists to be former Syrian territory with the same status as the Golan Heights, since they have captured it from the Syrians. The United Nations has determined that Shebaa Farms is not part of Lebanon. The UN Secretary-General had concluded that, as of 16 June 2000, Israel had withdrawn its forces from Lebanon in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 425 of 1978, bringing closure to the 1982 invasion as far as the UN was concerned.”

SOURCE: 1982 Lebanon War | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon#Consequences

[14] Shebaa Farms | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms

[15] For the genocidal intentions of Israel’s attackers in the run-up to the 1967 war, read the following piece:

1964-67 --  Although Israel suffered terrorist attacks from its Arab neighbors during these years, when they staged a full-scale military provocation, the US refused to help; from “IS THE US AN ALLY OF ISRAEL: A Chronological look at the evidence”; Historical and Investigative Research; by Francisco Gil-White.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally.htm#1967

[15a] To see Shebaa Farms on a map, visit:

Shebaa Farms | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms

[16] 1964-67 --  Although Israel suffered terrorist attacks from its Arab neighbors during these years, when they staged a full-scale military provocation, the US refused to help; from “IS THE US AN ALLY OF ISRAEL: A Chronological look at the evidence”; Historical and Investigative Research; by Francisco Gil-White.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally.htm#1967

[17]  The following piece discusses the Pentagon study in its political context, and links to the original document (to go directly to the Pentagon study, see below):

“1967 -- After the Six-Day War, the US put pressure on Israel to relinquish the territory gained, even though it knew it was indispensable to Israeli defense”; from “IS THE US AN ALLY OF ISRAEL: A Chronological look at the evidence”; Historical and Investigative Research; by Francisco Gil-White.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally.htm#1967b

< PENTAGON STUDY:

»» This Pentagon document was apparently declassified in 1979 but not published until 1984. It was published by the Journal of Palestine Studies:

"Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense"; Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 13, No. 2. (Winter, 1984), pp. 122-126.< This file is especially useful because it shows a map with the "minimum territory needed by Israel for defensive purposes"
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pentagon.pdf

»» And by the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs:
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print.html?documentid=496

»» And as an appendix in:

Netanyahu, B. 2000. A durable peace: Israel and its place among the nations, 2 edition. New York: Warner Books. (APPENDIX: The Pentagon Plan, June 29, 1967; pp.433-437)

[18] Why They Fight, The Washington Post, July 14, 2006 Friday, Final Edition, Editorial; A21, 825 words, Charles Krauthammer
 

www.hirhome.com



Bush to Blair: “...what they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this excrement and it’s over.”
 
       
ISRAEL
AT WAR

an HIR series
 

< Who attacked Israel?

< What is Hezbollah?

< What caused this war?

< Understanding the US position | 1

< Understanding the US position | 2

< The Arab reaction, and what it means

< Who is killing Lebanese civilians? | 1

< Who is killing Lebanese civilians? | 2

< What is wrong with the media? | 1

< What is wrong with the media? | 2

 
« Last Edit: July 16, 2008, 08:28:07 PM by nikmatdam »
"i am nikmatdam... humble and imperfect servant of Hashem... and i yearn for redemption but i absolutely ache for Divine justice and vengeance..."

Offline muslimslayer0075995

  • Senior JTFer
  • ****
  • Posts: 303
  • the death of islam will benifit the world
    • zionist republic
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 09:12:08 PM »
guess  what nik i was there, i was there my saba and softas home lay in ruins we lay unscathed becuase we hid in the basement bomb shelter. the israeli government has to push the lebonese border back 60 miles. they have to vastly increase security, and i dont care is muslims think they have rights, when a muslim is entering a theatre, when muslims want to go to the mall, when a muslim wants to enter a resturant or a public place they should be searched, thouroghly AND have a background check. there car, there baggage, and there person A TERRORIST DESERVES NO RIGHTS, AND WHEN A GENERATION OF A 'RELIGION' ARE TERRORISTS THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS. if it were up to me they would all be rounded up and sent to prison where they belong
islam isnt relgion its perpetuated hatred of the infidels

Offline nikmatdam

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 892
  • one of my earliest rebbeim/rav nachman bulman zt"l
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 09:44:17 PM »
amen... right on man... nik.
"i am nikmatdam... humble and imperfect servant of Hashem... and i yearn for redemption but i absolutely ache for Divine justice and vengeance..."

Offline muslimslayer0075995

  • Senior JTFer
  • ****
  • Posts: 303
  • the death of islam will benifit the world
    • zionist republic
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 09:53:14 PM »
thanks i appreciate the encouragement, i mean seriosuly though, those muslims believe they have a divine right to israel well news flash after wandering the desert for 40 yrs jewish people settled in israel, guess what time period this was 2000yrs before muslims came to israel !
islam isnt relgion its perpetuated hatred of the infidels

Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 10:06:35 PM »
How many more enemies does Israel need surrounding her.  I truly believe there has to be a righteous government, who is not going to give up anymore concessions.  NO MORE LAND FOR PEACE.  I looked up the boundaries of land given to Abraham and his descendants, and this land runs from the Nile in Egypt, to the Euphrates in Iraq.  Its Abbas and Palestine that should be giving land back to the Israelis.  Jerusalem should not be divided.  There are many pastors, and historians saying, it is wrong for the United States or Israel to divide the God given land.  I believe this 100%.  Lebanon is another fly in the ointment, who wants to plunder Israel.   I think B.B. Netanyahu could be a good start to a righteous government. 

Debbie A.

Offline Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23384
  • Real Kahanist
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 12:58:49 AM »
Bibi (Peepee) Netanyahoo is not a genuine rightist and he will not bring about the changes Israel needs in order to survive. He had three years of running Israel in the late '90s and they were disastrous. He kowtowed to the Nazi Bill Clinton at the Wye Agreements, where he agreed to give up Jewish land, and he completely ignored Israel's northern border, allowing Hezbollah to beef up exponentially. In addition, he supported NATO's war of terror against our allies in Serbia.

Netanyahoo is slightly better than Olmert or Tziporah Spitzer (Tzipi Livni), but is still a lousy leader.

Offline zachor_ve_kavod

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2179
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 01:39:12 AM »
Remember, the arabs can lose any number of times and still exist.  Israel cannot lose even once, or she will not exist.

Offline GoIsraelGo!

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 2825
  • Wake up America, Obama is the enemy!
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 03:02:16 AM »
Bibi (Peepee) Netanyahoo is not a genuine rightist and he will not bring about the changes Israel needs in order to survive. He had three years of running Israel in the late '90s and they were disastrous. He kowtowed to the Nazi Bill Clinton at the Wye Agreements, where he agreed to give up Jewish land, and he completely ignored Israel's northern border, allowing Hezbollah to beef up exponentially. In addition, he supported NATO's war of terror against our allies in Serbia.

Netanyahoo is slightly better than Olmert or Tziporah Spitzer (Tzipi Livni), but is still a lousy leader.

Hi CF   :)  Wouldn't it be nice if Israel would take over the Middle East....think of how green the Middle East would become and there would be peace finally !

Offline lebanese

  • Junior JTFer
  • **
  • Posts: 47
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 12:29:13 AM »
Remember, the arabs can lose any number of times and still exist.  Israel cannot lose even once, or she will not exist.

Oh yeah.. Lebanon is gonna defeat Israel. What a joke.. Regarding the politics in the Middle East, I put a lot of blame on the Lebanese and on America also. America (Henry Kissinger) came up with such a solution: Leave the palestinians in lebanon and let the Christians leave the country. What a stupidity. Both Lebanon and Israel are paying for that? Do Lebanese want to live in a country such as Iran or Saudi Arabia? Does Israel want the once tolerant Lebanon become an Islamic republic? a country with Hezbollah, sunni fanatics and palestinians that will make plans forever to destroy Israel? Why Israel and France were the only countries that relatively support the Christians there? Wouldn't be better for everyone to eradicate Islam instead of eradicating Christianity, in a friendly Lebanon? I am sad for that but I am helpless also. I really don't know what to do..

Offline bob101

  • Junior JTFer
  • **
  • Posts: 55
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2009, 07:56:33 PM »
Zep 2:4     For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. :dance:

Offline nopeaceforland

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2104
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2009, 08:21:39 PM »
Yay, we get to kill more Arabs! DEATH TO 'EM ALL! :dance: :dance: :dance:

Offline GoIsraelGo!

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 2825
  • Wake up America, Obama is the enemy!
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2009, 12:22:41 PM »
guess  what nik i was there, i was there my saba and softas home lay in ruins we lay unscathed becuase we hid in the basement bomb shelter. the israeli government has to push the lebonese border back 60 miles. they have to vastly increase security, and i dont care is muslims think they have rights, when a muslim is entering a theatre, when muslims want to go to the mall, when a muslim wants to enter a resturant or a public place they should be searched, thouroghly AND have a background check. there car, there baggage, and there person A TERRORIST DESERVES NO RIGHTS, AND WHEN A GENERATION OF A 'RELIGION' ARE TERRORISTS THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS. if it were up to me they would all be rounded up and sent to prison where they belong

Hi Slayer, I agree 100 percent! Giving rights to terrorists is like asking for future terror attacks. Good Post!

                                                                                    Shalom - Dox

Offline q_q_

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 3819
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 10:09:02 AM »
Remember, the arabs can lose any number of times and still exist.  Israel cannot lose even once, or she will not exist.

Oh yeah.. Lebanon is gonna defeat Israel. What a joke.. Regarding the politics in the Middle East, I put a lot of blame on the Lebanese and on America also. America (Henry Kissinger) came up with such a solution: Leave the palestinians in lebanon and let the Christians leave the country. What a stupidity. Both Lebanon and Israel are paying for that? Do Lebanese want to live in a country such as Iran or Saudi Arabia? Does Israel want the once tolerant Lebanon become an Islamic republic? a country with Hezbollah, sunni fanatics and palestinians that will make plans forever to destroy Israel? Why Israel and France were the only countries that relatively support the Christians there? Wouldn't be better for everyone to eradicate Islam instead of eradicating Christianity, in a friendly Lebanon? I am sad for that but I am helpless also. I really don't know what to do..

well, some lebanese christians could blow up some targets, so people become aware of the issue!!   Or something more civil, like sitting on the white house lawn.  Set up a lebanon liberation group. Aggressively present the case to the media.

Offline ProudAndZionist

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2410
  • PPE
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2009, 06:14:09 PM »
I think Lebanon lost his brain. (Or never had)...They want repeat 2006?  :P Too much arabs live in Israel, thats a big problem.
We are giants, giants in love...and if you ask that who are we, then you must be a dwarf.

Offline q_q_

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 3819
Re: VERY OLD THREAD about lebanon and israel
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2009, 06:19:12 PM »
This thread should not have been reactivated.. it's an old thread.

The subject is misleading. (subject, or what some people call Title).

The subject "Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel" was written by somebody around 6 months ago or longer.

It's silly that nobody has corrected this.


Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2009, 08:37:11 AM »
I am afraid this is on the horizon. Radicals seem to be the mainstream anymore.  I have been doing all I can to support Israel, and her people.

  Newsmax and Reuters, has just said that Shares of Israeli energy companies soared on Sunday after an exploration group led by Noble Energy, said it discovered more than 3 trillion cubic feet of natural gas off Israel's Mediterranean Coast. Delek Drilling Group, Yam Thetis consortium, Isramco.

This is a tremendous find for Israel.  More power to them!

Offline Hyades

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1417
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2009, 05:39:55 AM »
Lebanon, the small criminal slave of Syria! If all western nations sent back all Lebanese at once, their populations would more than triple! Israel should have annexed it and should have sent all the anti-Israeli arabs to Syria and left it ebhind as a Christian country. But probably it would have been annexed by Syria then.  >:(

Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2009, 11:45:19 AM »
I hope Israel recognizes and shows her allegiance to God, who will enable them to fight off the Islamic enemies.   I am praying for this!

Offline ProudAndZionist

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2410
  • PPE
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2009, 12:55:16 PM »
We should attack Lebanon and destroy the Hezbollah, for our self-defense.
We are giants, giants in love...and if you ask that who are we, then you must be a dwarf.

Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2009, 10:36:54 PM »
I want Israel to know we are fighting for them by sending money to alot of Jewish organizations.  Israel must stand strong and B.B. Netanyahu must not disasemble nuclear weapons, or agree to a Palestinian state.   I feel like fighting right beside them for peace.  I am not kidding!  Sick Sick Sick of Islam and its terrorism!

Offline Hyades

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1417
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2009, 04:16:09 AM »
We should attack Lebanon and destroy the Hezbollah, for our self-defense.
It would be better if the others attacked first, then Israelwouldn't have to explain itself for bombing them,... OH STOP! NO! Wrong, Israel was bashed for defending itself from Gaza rockets also! So it doesn't matter who starts Israel is always the one who gets blamed!  >:(

Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: Lebanon threatens to go to WAR with Israel
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2009, 10:14:14 AM »
This threat by Lebanon really worries me:   Israel is strong, but could she survive a two front war, or possibly a 3 front war, Lebanon, Gaza, and the Egyptian border.  About 2,600 years ago the prophet Ezekiel listed the precise alliance of nations that will invade Israel in the latter years, or end times.  And the word of the Lord came to me saying:  "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh- Russia, Mesech and Tubal, Turkey and Iran, and prophecy against him and say, Thus sayeth the Lord God, "Behold I am against you, Gog prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.  I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army horses and horsement, all of them attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of the wielding swords.  Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, Gomer, Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops- many peoples with you.  Be prepared, and prepare yourself, and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them.  Ezekiel 38 1-7.

This is God's Top Ten Most Wanted List.   As you read Ezekiel 38 and 39, you will see that all these Islamic nations including Russia's troops will be supernaturaly destroyed. Over the last 10 years, Iran, Turkey, and Russia have each exerted influence and sought to develop closer ties to the nations of Central Asia.   I have to say that 100 prophecies have been fulfilled that Jesus predicted both in the Tanach and the New Testament.  The times are growing volatile.

Isiah 62:1--For Zion's sake I will not be silent, for Jerusalem's sake I will not remain quiet, till her righteousness shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch.  I mean this will all honesty and Love.

Debbie