Why Aren't More Jews in the Military?

[horselady]

Horselady:

JTF doesn't believe Israelis should serve in the IDF either. Everything that sucks about the U.S. military of today and more is also true of the Israeli army, navy, and air force. If you think U.S. soldiers are indoctrinated from head to toe about how great Muslim "civilians" are and why we should respect their gutter religion, you haven't seen Israel. These days, it's far more likely that the average Israeli infantry conscript will be sent to kick Jews out of their homes than to fight Arabs. In fact, quite a few kapo Israeli "refuseniks" will not serve on any mission in any Arab neighborhood or territory (and of course, they go completely unpunished). This crap is the reason why Chaim would prefer that people not join the Israeli military, right now. It is just not worth it. It has nothing to do with "America first" or "Israel first".

In that case, we are all doomed, aren't we?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I guess so. Israel certainly showed that it didn't have the will to beat 1500 militiamen two years ago. Doubt if anything has changed since.

What makes Israel worse than America is that in addition to being manipulated and oppressed by a corrupt regime, the public has actually swallowed their "be nice to Arabs" crap.  Like Chaim would say, it's doubtful that most Jews today have the stomach to just go kill all the terrorists.

[White Israelite]

I guess so. Israel certainly showed that it didn't have the will to beat 1500 militiamen two years ago. Doubt if anything has changed since.

What makes Israel worse than America is that in addition to being manipulated and oppressed by a corrupt regime, the public has actually swallowed their "be nice to Arabs" crap.  Like Chaim would say, it's doubtful that most Jews today have the stomach to just go kill all the terrorists.

One of the few things I think we can all agree on.

I've talked to secular Israelis and I was very dissapointed, many of them are Atheist and say that the military sucks and even support Arabs have Gaza and West Bank thinking it will bring peace. I remember debating with a number of them about Olmert before he was elected saying how his wife was in woman in black and would be a disaster, none of them listened to me and said he was the best choice. Now I think a lot of them regret it.

I remember before the Lebanon war, I talked about joining the IDF with a friend asking him what training was like and found the program mahal2000, he kept saying not to do it and that it wasn't worth it and that the Israeli soldiers do not get as nice gear as the US per soldier.

It's kind of true in a way, T'Zahal puts most of it's money into nice jets, tanks, submarines but the average soldier isn't as well outfitted as the US. They still wear olive green fatigues (though it appears to work well in their environment), and none of the regular soldiers even carry a backup sidearm, they all carry either TAR-21 or the M4. I think the only people to carry sidearms are special forces and a few others.

Anyways, the IDF isn't very well respected nowadays by many people either. The IDF was feared after the 67 war, now it's just kind of disappointing. I can't associate myself with the evil government of Israel or what the IDF consists of today. This is why people associate a "Zionist" with modern day Israel because they've hijacked the star of david, they've hijacked the military, the state of Israel, and completely done a 360 on it's own Jewish people (like what happened in Amona). After seeing all the gay pride parades and this "help the world" crap, I see myself as an American first. If I recall, Kahane was the one who said there are no Israelis, only Jews, didn't he? Well I am a Jew and a American citizen. When the secular state of Israel is replaced with the Kingdom of Israel, I will live there, but I don't think that it is my time to live there now.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Agreed. Kadima and the Likud and Labor before them have turned the Israeli armed forces into a laughingstock. What good are hundreds of shiny new planes and tanks if (a) their crews are not being trained well in how to use them and (b) their crews aren't even allowed to use them for their intended purpose? This is a joke. The primary use of the IDF these days is to ethnically cleanse Jews. Chaim does not want any Jew to be a part of that and therefore I don't think Israelis should join the IDF if they can help it (i.e. past their mandatory conscription).

[White Israelite]

Jews should only serve in the Israeli Army. Jews don't belong in the United States. It would be a shame if a Jew did serve and then died serving a country that he or she has no place in.

Then those who feel that way should live in Israel. Case closed.

  Horselady- With Anti-Semitism on the rise here in America, 10x worse than it has EVER been, and neo-nazis siding with palestenians, and obama, just because of INSANE hatred of Jews- Economic Woes, and IRRESPONSIBLITY of govt. spending, and all of these freaks saying: "ITS ALL BECAUSE OF THE JEWS" which I see ALL of the time, constantly, Jews beaten up by neo-nazi demon satanists, just where exactly does the Jew have a home? And THEN we are told that we have to "give up" OUR OWN HOMELAND- 1900 plus years of murderous pagan devils slaughtering our ancestors, is there ANY reason WHY we should NOT be on the Offense, Defense off the fence and fighting all over, anywhere- everywhere, because we have had ENOUGH....? Jews DO serve in the Military, but the HEART of the JEW IS IN Israel, and you being Jewish SHOULD GET this, Totally- 100%. I am the STRONGEST patriot I myself have even met- my love for America is MY SOUL, however, Israel is MY HEART. Israel is Prophecy that has come to pass. IF we are NOT careful here in America, and turn our backs against the Jews and Israel, we WILL face the Wrath of G-d.  Some people forget, I dont- Ariel sharon, gives up Gaza, shakes Bushs hand- a week later, we get Katrina, and Sharon in a Coma for the remaining of his days. As I stated, we should have a more 'healthy' fear of Gd, and enemies should be AFRAID.
  Also- the kkk, and these other wacko sickos ie: C.I., Stormfuggers, etc.., ARE joining the military by the droves, b/c their wizard freak leaders are telling them to LEARN combat, so they can come back and defeat the Jews in America- THIS..............is the TRUTH.  So, HOW is a Jew even protected in the military? By the left? I DONT THINK SO.
 

You make some excellent points here Paulette and I am aware of the growing anti-semitism too. But if I felt as strongly as you do about
the fate of Jews here, I would pack my bags and be on a plane to Tel Aviv in a NY minute. I don't understand why all the people here
who have expressed their first loyalty to Israel are sitting here complaining about America. Why are they not taking
their place in Israel to ensure that no more Sharons get in office? Why aren't the young ones over there serving in the Israeli military?
Talk is cheap. Israel needs Jews to emigrate there badly. Those who are Jews first and Americans second should be in the country
they love first and foremost.

When I was in Israel many years ago, the question I was asked most often is would I make aliyah to Israel? I might have if I could
have gotten a job there, but I only speak Japanese and the Japanese embassy there didn't need anyone. Many Israelis said to me,
"Americans shouldn't just send money here, they should move here."

So I'm asking, why don't all you Israel first people go to Israel?

  Many Jews here will ride out this storm, so that Jerusalem does not come under siege, and we will use all of our influence and power to make sure that USA does not turn its back on Israel- ALSO- the JTF does NOT want US GOVT $$$ going to Israel, it ENABLES palestinians..
  On my fathers side of the family, we have been here over 350 yrs. (IF) USA attacks Israel, I WILL LEAVE, b/c I will NOT stay for the complete devastation and total wrath of Gd. (IF) I even detect this coming, I WILL talk with My David to make Aliyah ASAP. And I mean FAST. Jews will ALWAYS be for Israel 1st. Are we ALL suppose to leave USA, because our hearts and spirits yearn? I dont think so. Christian people yearn for Eternity, I believe, should we tell them to commit suicide, to hurry up along their way? OR, stay in their churches and just dont come out?

That's if the US survives long enough, I can't realistically see the US attacking Israel unless a right wing religious group (Kahanists) came to power and they negotiated to remove them from power in the name of "democracy".

US pretty much wants to make sure no nation is too powerful in the region but that it's stabalized. The US wants Israel completely dependent on foreign aid and foreign military weapons so that if she ever steps out of line, supply is cut and all those nice weapons in 10-15 years turn into useless rust buckets.

Usually America goes to war if it suits their own interests, but in the rare event there were war against Israel and the US, I wonder what those FEMA camps would be used for?

Anyways, to be perfectly honest, I think the current leftist Israeli government is more of a threat to Jews than America is at this point.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

horselady, this thread is grotesque. We do not answer Nazi scum who make anti-Semitic allegations. If not for the Jews, America would not be a superpower. The Jews invented America's nuclear weapons, and the Jews also invented most of America's other great technology without which America would not be a major military power.

Your obnoxious Nazi terminology is getting on my nerves: "America first", "Israel first" - this is the language the Nazis use. The "America First" movement were open supporters of Hitler in the 1930s. The Nazis of today like Pat Buchanan and David Duke accuse the Jews of putting "Israel first". You use the same exact terminology and make the same exact Hitlerite allegations.

If you are not a Nazi troll, then you are a self-hating Jew.

[briann]

A friend of mine in banking pointed out to me that not many jews are in banking either.  Maybe some have taken risks and lead some. But most jews are not in banking, even though they are great financially.   I don't know alot about it so didn't really argue with him on that, suffice it to say that he knows what's going on better than anybody I know.

Look how arty jews are but not many jews are in the arts.

Jews look for safe professions, meaning, financially secure, so that they are in the best position to raise a family, pay for jewish education, kosher food. So many become accountants, lawyers, doctors, dentists.

My first two jobs were in a Talent Agency... then in a brokerage.

And YES... Jews WERE overrepresented in these occupations.  But who cares...

Mexicans are overrepresented as gardners
Vietnamese are overrepresented in Nail-polishing and pharmacy
Hindus are overrepresented as convenient store owners and computer programmers.
Blacks Women are overrepresented as government employees and welfare recipients
Filipinos are overrepresented as nurses

who cares??

[mord]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Rich   






Benjamin Robert Rich (June 18, 1925 – January 5, 1995) was the second director of Lockheed's Skunk Works from 1975 to 1991, succeeding its founder, Kelly Johnson. Regarded as the "father of stealth," Ben Rich was responsible for leading the development of the F-117, the first production stealth aircraft. He also worked on the F-104, U-2, SR-71, A-12, and F-22 among others, many of which are still classified.

Contents [hide]
1 Early in life
2 Lockheed
3 The Skunk Works
4 Awards
5 Family
6 Selected Aircraft
7 References
 


[edit] Early in life
Rich was born in Manila in the Philippines, one of the five children of British lumber mill superintendent Isidore Rich and his French wife, Annie, the daughter of one of his paternal grandfather's Jewish customers who resided in Alexandria, Egypt. The Rich family was one of the first Jewish families to settle in Manila. Having fled the Philippines just weeks before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, they moved to the United States in 1942, where Ben Rich became a naturalized US citizen. He worked (with his father) in a Los Angeles, California machine shop during World War II, and studied at the city's Hamilton High School. After the war he started his college education when he was 21, majoring in mechanical engineering at UC Berkeley, followed by a master's degree in thermodynamics at UCLA, instead of in the medical field as he originally planned.


[edit] Lockheed
Upon graduation Rich was hired by Lockheed as a theromodynamicist. There he worked on a variety of projects - he was awarded a patent for designing a nichrome heating system which prevented Navy patrol plane crew's penises from freezing to their urine elimination pipes. He designed inlet ducts for the F-104 Starfighter, the C-130 transport aircraft, and the F-90 fighter.


[edit] The Skunk Works
In December 1954 Rich was seconded to the Skunk Works, the secret research and development section run by Lockheed's chief engineer Clarence "Kelly" Johnson. There he designed the inlet ducts for the U-2 spy plane. Then he led the effort to build large-scale hydrogen liquefaction plant for a proposed hydrogen-powered supersonic aircraft, codenamed Suntan. After this was canceled when hydrogen proved to be impractical, Rich was program manager for the propulsion systems for the U-2's successor, the SR-71 Blackbird. The idea to paint the high-speed aircraft's skin black, to help dissipate the tremendous frictional heat, was Rich's. He designed the engine inlet cones, the air conditioning system, and was the chief thermodynamicist for the project.

Later, as Johnson's successor as leader of the Skunk Works, Rich championed the early prototypes of stealth technology and led the development of the F-117 stealth fighter. The use of modern stealth aircraft technology was partially based upon the work of Pyotr Ya. Ufimtsev.


[edit] Awards
A member of the National Academy of Engineering, he won numerous awards during his career, including the Collier Trophy. In 2005 he was inducted into the National Aviation Hall of Fame.


[edit] Family
In 1950, he married the former Faye Mayer, a fashion model, who died in 1980. In 1982, he married Hilda Elliot. He died of cancer in Ventura, California, on January 5, 1995. His son, Michael, is an executive with the RAND Corporation and his daughter, Karen, is a botanist.


[edit] Selected Aircraft
F-104 Single-engine, high-performance, supersonic interceptor aircraft.
F-90 Experimental fighter / bomber escort aircraft.
U-2 Reconnaissance aircraft. A high altitude jet aircraft used by the CIA and the US Air Force during the cold war.
SR-71 SR-71 "Blackbird". An advanced, long-range, Mach 3.2 strategic reconnaissance aircraft. The Blackbird was designed to provide reconnaissance in defended airspace while improving aircrew survivability. In the blackbird, mission success and survivability depended on aircraft speed. Ben Rich was responsible for engineering the spikes and engine inlet systems which made the Blackbirds the fastest jet aircraft in the world.
F-117 The Nighthawk, world's first production stealth aircraft.
YF-22 Prototype of F-22 Raptor.

[edit] References
Rich, Ben; Janos, Leo. (1996) Skunk Works. Little, Brown & Company, ISBN 0-316-74300-3
F-117a.com biography of Ben Rich
Rich's biography in the National Aviation Hall of Fame

[briann]

Your obnoxious Nazi terminology is getting on my nerves: "America first", "Israel first" - this is the language the Nazis use. The "America First" movement were open supporters of Hitler in the 1930s. The Nazis of today like Pat Buchanan and David Duke accuse the Jews of putting "Israel first". You use the same exact terminology and make the same exact Hitlerite allegations.

If you are not a Nazi troll, then you are a self-hating Jew.

Woa Woa... Horselady is Neither of those.  Many Righteous people now use 'America First', as do I ...   and very few people use it as a term to be anti-semitic as it was used 80 years ago.

But yes.... the thread is a very divisive unnecessary topic.... (But nothing compared to Nik's garbage)

[AsheDina]

Jews should only serve in the Israeli Army. Jews don't belong in the United States. It would be a shame if a Jew did serve and then died serving a country that he or she has no place in.

Then those who feel that way should live in Israel. Case closed.

  Horselady- With Anti-Semitism on the rise here in America, 10x worse than it has EVER been, and neo-nazis siding with palestenians, and obama, just because of INSANE hatred of Jews- Economic Woes, and IRRESPONSIBLITY of govt. spending, and all of these freaks saying: "ITS ALL BECAUSE OF THE JEWS" which I see ALL of the time, constantly, Jews beaten up by neo-nazi demon satanists, just where exactly does the Jew have a home? And THEN we are told that we have to "give up" OUR OWN HOMELAND- 1900 plus years of murderous pagan devils slaughtering our ancestors, is there ANY reason WHY we should NOT be on the Offense, Defense off the fence and fighting all over, anywhere- everywhere, because we have had ENOUGH....? Jews DO serve in the Military, but the HEART of the JEW IS IN Israel, and you being Jewish SHOULD GET this, Totally- 100%. I am the STRONGEST patriot I myself have even met- my love for America is MY SOUL, however, Israel is MY HEART. Israel is Prophecy that has come to pass. IF we are NOT careful here in America, and turn our backs against the Jews and Israel, we WILL face the Wrath of G-d.  Some people forget, I dont- Ariel sharon, gives up Gaza, shakes Bushs hand- a week later, we get Katrina, and Sharon in a Coma for the remaining of his days. As I stated, we should have a more 'healthy' fear of Gd, and enemies should be AFRAID.
  Also- the kkk, and these other wacko sickos ie: C.I., Stormfuggers, etc.., ARE joining the military by the droves, b/c their wizard freak leaders are telling them to LEARN combat, so they can come back and defeat the Jews in America- THIS..............is the TRUTH.  So, HOW is a Jew even protected in the military? By the left? I DONT THINK SO.
 

You make some excellent points here Paulette and I am aware of the growing anti-semitism too. But if I felt as strongly as you do about
the fate of Jews here, I would pack my bags and be on a plane to Tel Aviv in a NY minute. I don't understand why all the people here
who have expressed their first loyalty to Israel are sitting here complaining about America. Why are they not taking
their place in Israel to ensure that no more Sharons get in office? Why aren't the young ones over there serving in the Israeli military?
Talk is cheap. Israel needs Jews to emigrate there badly. Those who are Jews first and Americans second should be in the country
they love first and foremost.

When I was in Israel many years ago, the question I was asked most often is would I make aliyah to Israel? I might have if I could
have gotten a job there, but I only speak Japanese and the Japanese embassy there didn't need anyone. Many Israelis said to me,
"Americans shouldn't just send money here, they should move here."

So I'm asking, why don't all you Israel first people go to Israel?

 This is a VERY GOOD movie.. People SHOULD see it if you havent. The COMPLETE THREAT of Self-Hating Jews.

[White Israelite]

Jews should only serve in the Israeli Army. Jews don't belong in the United States. It would be a shame if a Jew did serve and then died serving a country that he or she has no place in.

Then those who feel that way should live in Israel. Case closed.

  Horselady- With Anti-Semitism on the rise here in America, 10x worse than it has EVER been, and neo-nazis siding with palestenians, and obama, just because of INSANE hatred of Jews- Economic Woes, and IRRESPONSIBLITY of govt. spending, and all of these freaks saying: "ITS ALL BECAUSE OF THE JEWS" which I see ALL of the time, constantly, Jews beaten up by neo-nazi demon satanists, just where exactly does the Jew have a home? And THEN we are told that we have to "give up" OUR OWN HOMELAND- 1900 plus years of murderous pagan devils slaughtering our ancestors, is there ANY reason WHY we should NOT be on the Offense, Defense off the fence and fighting all over, anywhere- everywhere, because we have had ENOUGH....? Jews DO serve in the Military, but the HEART of the JEW IS IN Israel, and you being Jewish SHOULD GET this, Totally- 100%. I am the STRONGEST patriot I myself have even met- my love for America is MY SOUL, however, Israel is MY HEART. Israel is Prophecy that has come to pass. IF we are NOT careful here in America, and turn our backs against the Jews and Israel, we WILL face the Wrath of G-d.  Some people forget, I dont- Ariel sharon, gives up Gaza, shakes Bushs hand- a week later, we get Katrina, and Sharon in a Coma for the remaining of his days. As I stated, we should have a more 'healthy' fear of Gd, and enemies should be AFRAID.
  Also- the kkk, and these other wacko sickos ie: C.I., Stormfuggers, etc.., ARE joining the military by the droves, b/c their wizard freak leaders are telling them to LEARN combat, so they can come back and defeat the Jews in America- THIS..............is the TRUTH.  So, HOW is a Jew even protected in the military? By the left? I DONT THINK SO.
 

You make some excellent points here Paulette and I am aware of the growing anti-semitism too. But if I felt as strongly as you do about
the fate of Jews here, I would pack my bags and be on a plane to Tel Aviv in a NY minute. I don't understand why all the people here
who have expressed their first loyalty to Israel are sitting here complaining about America. Why are they not taking
their place in Israel to ensure that no more Sharons get in office? Why aren't the young ones over there serving in the Israeli military?
Talk is cheap. Israel needs Jews to emigrate there badly. Those who are Jews first and Americans second should be in the country
they love first and foremost.

When I was in Israel many years ago, the question I was asked most often is would I make aliyah to Israel? I might have if I could
have gotten a job there, but I only speak Japanese and the Japanese embassy there didn't need anyone. Many Israelis said to me,
"Americans shouldn't just send money here, they should move here."

So I'm asking, why don't all you Israel first people go to Israel?

 This is a VERY GOOD movie.. People SHOULD see it if you havent. The COMPLETE THREAT of Self-Hating Jews.

I downloaded the movie a few months ago, it was a good movie, but personally I think the sex scene ruined it and left a bad taste in my mouth, if you can ignore that, it shows a pretty realistic image of how Jews will do anything to appease the enemy.

Also the movie is somewhat based off a true story but not completely, Based on the real life story of Jewish KKK Wizard Danny Burros (1938-65),

Daniel "Dan" Burros (March 5, 1937 – October 31, 1965) was a former member of the American Nazi Party under former Naval commander George Lincoln Rockwell, who founded the ANP in Arlington, Virginia in 1959. After falling out with Rockwell, he became a kleagle, or recruiter, for the United Klans of America Ku Klux Klan organization in New York State.

After a New York Times reporter named McCandlish Phillips revealed that Dan Burros was, in fact, Jewish, a despondent Burros committed suicide, first by shooting himself in the chest and then in the head. At the time, he was listening to music composed by Richard Wagner.[1]

Dan Burros is sometimes cited as an example of a self-hating Jew. He was also influenced by Francis Parker Yockey's Imperium.[2]

Suspicions that Dan Burros was a Jew began during his tenure in the American Nazi Party. He would sometimes bring knish to the American Nazi Party headquarters and make statements such as "Let's eat this good Jew food!" Burros also frequently spent time with Jewish women. When Rockwell discovered that he was a Jew, he still wished to maintain a relationship with him. However, within two hours of seeing this information printed in the New York Times, Burros took his own life in the Nazi compound where he had been staying.[3]

During a press conference after Burros' death, George Lincoln Rockwell railed against Jews, whom he called "... a unique people with a distinct mass of mental disorders" and ascribed Burros' instability and suicide to "this unfortunate Jewish psychosis".[4]

The story of Dan Burros was the origin of Henry Bean's movie, The Believer. It also inspired an episode of the TV series Lou Grant.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Chaim, personally I don't think she is a Nazi, but I have been mistaken about posters before.

[AsheDina]

Jews should only serve in the Israeli Army. Jews don't belong in the United States. It would be a shame if a Jew did serve and then died serving a country that he or she has no place in.

Then those who feel that way should live in Israel. Case closed.

  Horselady- With Anti-Semitism on the rise here in America, 10x worse than it has EVER been, and neo-nazis siding with palestenians, and obama, just because of INSANE hatred of Jews- Economic Woes, and IRRESPONSIBLITY of govt. spending, and all of these freaks saying: "ITS ALL BECAUSE OF THE JEWS" which I see ALL of the time, constantly, Jews beaten up by neo-nazi demon satanists, just where exactly does the Jew have a home? And THEN we are told that we have to "give up" OUR OWN HOMELAND- 1900 plus years of murderous pagan devils slaughtering our ancestors, is there ANY reason WHY we should NOT be on the Offense, Defense off the fence and fighting all over, anywhere- everywhere, because we have had ENOUGH....? Jews DO serve in the Military, but the HEART of the JEW IS IN Israel, and you being Jewish SHOULD GET this, Totally- 100%. I am the STRONGEST patriot I myself have even met- my love for America is MY SOUL, however, Israel is MY HEART. Israel is Prophecy that has come to pass. IF we are NOT careful here in America, and turn our backs against the Jews and Israel, we WILL face the Wrath of G-d.  Some people forget, I dont- Ariel sharon, gives up Gaza, shakes Bushs hand- a week later, we get Katrina, and Sharon in a Coma for the remaining of his days. As I stated, we should have a more 'healthy' fear of Gd, and enemies should be AFRAID.
  Also- the kkk, and these other wacko sickos ie: C.I., Stormfuggers, etc.., ARE joining the military by the droves, b/c their wizard freak leaders are telling them to LEARN combat, so they can come back and defeat the Jews in America- THIS..............is the TRUTH.  So, HOW is a Jew even protected in the military? By the left? I DONT THINK SO.
 

You make some excellent points here Paulette and I am aware of the growing anti-semitism too. But if I felt as strongly as you do about
the fate of Jews here, I would pack my bags and be on a plane to Tel Aviv in a NY minute. I don't understand why all the people here
who have expressed their first loyalty to Israel are sitting here complaining about America. Why are they not taking
their place in Israel to ensure that no more Sharons get in office? Why aren't the young ones over there serving in the Israeli military?
Talk is cheap. Israel needs Jews to emigrate there badly. Those who are Jews first and Americans second should be in the country
they love first and foremost.

When I was in Israel many years ago, the question I was asked most often is would I make aliyah to Israel? I might have if I could
have gotten a job there, but I only speak Japanese and the Japanese embassy there didn't need anyone. Many Israelis said to me,
"Americans shouldn't just send money here, they should move here."

So I'm asking, why don't all you Israel first people go to Israel?

 This is a VERY GOOD movie.. People SHOULD see it if you havent. The COMPLETE THREAT of Self-Hating Jews.

I downloaded the movie a few months ago, it was a good movie, but personally I think the sex scene ruined it and left a bad taste in my mouth, if you can ignore that, it shows a pretty realistic image of how Jews will do anything to appease the enemy.

Also the movie is somewhat based off a true story but not completely, Based on the real life story of Jewish KKK Wizard Danny Burros (1938-65),

Daniel "Dan" Burros (March 5, 1937 – October 31, 1965) was a former member of the American Nazi Party under former Naval commander George Lincoln Rockwell, who founded the ANP in Arlington, Virginia in 1959. After falling out with Rockwell, he became a kleagle, or recruiter, for the United Klans of America Ku Klux Klan organization in New York State.

After a New York Times reporter named McCandlish Phillips revealed that Dan Burros was, in fact, Jewish, a despondent Burros committed suicide, first by shooting himself in the chest and then in the head. At the time, he was listening to music composed by Richard Wagner.[1]

Dan Burros is sometimes cited as an example of a self-hating Jew. He was also influenced by Francis Parker Yockey's Imperium.[2]

Suspicions that Dan Burros was a Jew began during his tenure in the American Nazi Party. He would sometimes bring knish to the American Nazi Party headquarters and make statements such as "Let's eat this good Jew food!" Burros also frequently spent time with Jewish women. When Rockwell discovered that he was a Jew, he still wished to maintain a relationship with him. However, within two hours of seeing this information printed in the New York Times, Burros took his own life in the Nazi compound where he had been staying.[3]

During a press conference after Burros' death, George Lincoln Rockwell railed against Jews, whom he called "... a unique people with a distinct mass of mental disorders" and ascribed Burros' instability and suicide to "this unfortunate Jewish psychosis".[4]

The story of Dan Burros was the origin of Henry Bean's movie, The Believer. It also inspired an episode of the TV series Lou Grant.

  I just think people should watch it regardless, Cohen. While it may not be 'truth' nevertheless, it IS truth.

[Confederate Kahanist]

I think if they study medicine or law at Stanford or Harvard.  Then I think then they will be serving there country enough in there profession.  Not everybody has to join the military.

[horselady]

horselady, this thread is grotesque. We do not answer Nazi scum who make anti-Semitic allegations. If not for the Jews, America would not be a superpower. The Jews invented America's nuclear weapons, and the Jews also invented most of America's other great technology without which America would not be a major military power.

Your obnoxious Nazi terminology is getting on my nerves: "America first", "Israel first" - this is the language the Nazis use. The "America First" movement were open supporters of Hitler in the 1930s. The Nazis of today like Pat Buchanan and David Duke accuse the Jews of putting "Israel first". You use the same exact terminology and make the same exact Hitlerite allegations.

If you are not a Nazi troll, then you are a self-hating Jew.

I am neither a troll nor a self-hating Jew. The only Jews I hate are liberal Jews. You don't have to tell me the good Jews
have done for this country. But I get a little sick of hearing about how Jews are too good to serve in our military.
I know Jews are not alone in this, there are millions of liberals of every religion and race who feel the same way.
What shocks me is to come to a place where there are no liberal Jews, yet the attitude about the military is the
same as it is with liberal Jews.

Most of the men in my Jewish family have served in the military and are proud of their service to this country.
The OP was written by a Rabbi who made the same observation that Jews from prior generations served
in the military in far greater numbers than they do now. And he was ashamed of that. He in no way downplayed
all the wonderful achievements & contributions Jews have given America, he was only talking about military service
in which their participation has declined substantially from 30 - 40 years ago.

And apparently, he was right, judging by the hateful comments that have been directed at me here for even
mentioning the subject.

This country has been the best country in the world to Jews like me and you. Without this country, I don't think Israel
would have become a state when it did. Israel is one of our best allies but what it does for this country
never gets reported in the press. I spend a lot of time trying to educate ignorant people about all the things that Israel
does that has helped our military, our technology, medicine, and in myriad other areas of our daily lives. No one is
a bigger supporter of Israel than myself. I don't post much here because it is like preaching to the choir.

Unlike many of you, I take on the real Nazis on the internet that like to criticize Jews and Israel all the time.
And I have the ammunition to prove them wrong time and again refuting their hateful rhetoric about Jews
with facts that make them look like the fools they are. There is very little they throw at me that I cannot defend.
The question of Jews in the US Military is one area where I never seem to have a good comeback, other than to
say Jews don't serve in proportionate numbers because most Jews are liberals and liberals don't serve either.

I honestly thought that by posing this question here, I could get some help with my arguments but I guess not.
I thought it was a Jewish tradition for Jews to question everything? I guess that depends on what the question is.

Shame on you for calling me a Nazi. I can't wait to tell my orthodox Jewish uncle that a bunch of Jews consider
me a Nazi.

You should grow like an onion with your head in the ground.   

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't necessarily think the topic was wrong in and of itself, but I think it's a bad idea to concede the Nazis' point (that Jews aren't serving proportionately). Seriously, how do we know that they aren't? I would be extremely loath to trust any statistic that shows that they are not.

[DownwithIslam]

Jews are the reason that America is the worlds greatest country. Their is no doubt about that. Sure America is dwindling now as the third world population increases but the prosperity this country has experienced is no doubt because of jews. Everywhere jews go, they create and build things. And jews do serve in the American army, to say they dont is a lie.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Jews are the reason that America is the worlds greatest country. Their is no doubt about that. Sure America is dwindling now as the third world population increases but the prosperity this country has experienced is no doubt because of jews. Everywhere jews go, they create and build things. And jews do serve in the American army, to say they dont is a lie.

[DownwithIslam]

Horselady is very wrong on this issue. Jews are very loyal to America. They came to this country and built it up.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't necessarily think she was wrong as much as naive in this thread. But I could be wrong.

[horselady]

I don't necessarily think the topic was wrong in and of itself, but I think it's a bad idea to concede the Nazis' point (that Jews aren't serving proportionately). Seriously, how do we know that they aren't? I would be extremely loath to trust any statistic that shows that they are not.

I did provide statistics in the beginning but you are correct, they can vary. I will try to verify them with some other sources.

[horselady]

Horselady is very wrong on this issue. Jews are very loyal to America. They came to this country and built it up.

Yes, they did. And that was the point the Rabbi in the OP was trying to make.
Jews did serve in the military in large numbers at one time but they no longer seem to be.

The Rabbi was asking why not, which is the reason I brought his article here in the first place
to get a discussion going on why this is the case.

If the numbers I posted are wrong, I will gladly apologize.

[horselady]

Jews are the reason that America is the worlds greatest country. Their is no doubt about that. Sure America is dwindling now as the third world population increases but the prosperity this country has experienced is no doubt because of jews. Everywhere jews go, they create and build things. And jews do serve in the American army, to say they dont is a lie.

Yet I have never stated that they do not serve. They have served in great numbers in the past,
but not in recent years. You should re-read the first page.

[cjd]

        I think some of what the horselady is saying may be the case. I worked with a few Jewish folks who were old enough to serve in WW2. One guy had been signed up for almost 3+ years and was at Midway Island the day the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Another fellow I worked with also enlisted  shortly after the 1941 attack. Out of a modest size group  I would say that  was an average or even above average % both were volunteers. The guy who was at Midway went on to serve another 4 years for a total of over 7 years.
       My father is an official at the local VFW and over the years I have met many of the members. I was surprised to learn how many of the WW2 veterans in his club were Jewish. I say surprised because the neighborhood itself does not have a high population of Jewish folks.
        I think the thing today is we have a peace time army that is almost looked on as an occupation. People sign up and until recently it was almost like a 9to5 job. The government provides housing, PX benefits, a modest pay and will pay for education. This is a great opportunity for people who can't pay for education on their own or are having a hard time finding employment in the civilian work world.
         Most people today who immigrated here to America at the same time as Jewish Americans did  are now going on to the third and fourth generations of native born. For the most part people that came here in the late 1800's and early 1900's have done very well  here in America. One only has to look at the demographics here in New York City to see that the immigrants and their descendants are mostly middle class or better when it comes to income. People like this can educate their children to have a profession when they graduate college. The need to enter the military is not what it may have been for this group 40 or 50 years ago. People that can find high paying employment will not look towards the military its just that simple. If a study were to be done today of people enlisting they would find that the numbers are less for all established groups and are shifting to the newer wave of immigrants and folks living in depressed parts of the country where civilian pay and military pay are compatible.

[AsheDina]

Jews are the reason that America is the worlds greatest country. Their is no doubt about that. Sure America is dwindling now as the third world population increases but the prosperity this country has experienced is no doubt because of jews. Everywhere jews go, they create and build things. And jews do serve in the American army, to say they dont is a lie.

Yet I have never stated that they do not serve. They have served in great numbers in the past,
but not in recent years. You should re-read the first page.

    You bring the SAME EXACT argument that I face EVERY SINGLE day on my email thread, from the David Duke lovers. As I recall, somewhere....in the back of my mind...is it possible...hmmm...ah yes........the MILITARY IS VOLUNTARY. EVERY SINGLE young man that I PERSONALLY know that is JEWISH, are the FIRST to go and REGISTER at 17, UNLIKE many spoiled rotten young nasty other kids, and that is a FACT.   WHY are you so damned hell-bent in putting down your OWN people, 'as you have claimed' on a forum that is RIGHT WING and ALL AMERICAN?   What you say here solidifies Chaim ben Pesach's synopsis of you, you're either a Self-Hating Jew, or just another idiot moonbat nazi.