Author Topic: Right of Return: New rule all posts must reference a credible source (Read 21404 times)

RepublicanStones · « **on:** July 28, 2008, 05:59:47 PM »

Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on wether or not the palestinians should be given right of return from 1948 or should they be compensated?
Or can they expect none of the above?

Zelhar · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2008, 06:10:20 PM »

There is no such thing as 'right of return', I think that the neutral term should be 'claim of return'. We want the Arabs living in Israel now to leave, and we are willing to offer them money not as compensation but as an incentive to leave and surrender their citizenship and any claim the have to land in Israel.

The Arabs fled or emigrated in 1948 we offer nothing. They are evil people who dedicate their life to murder Jews and exterminate Israel. That is also true to the Arabs still living in Israel but we are practical so we offer to settle our dispute with them with financial benefits for them.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2008, 06:14:03 PM »

Are you suggesting there was no plan Dalet and no ethnic cleansing of the palestinians? Also are you tarring all palestinians with the terrorist brush? I have read accounts from both sides, and still am unsure as to the truth.

Zelhar · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2008, 06:20:05 PM »

I don't know what plan dalet is. In 1948 several hundreds of thousands of Arabs exited Eretz Israel. Some of them were expelled by Israeli forces, other left voluntarily, heading to the panic and the calls of the Arab leaders who implored them to leave and return after all the Jews had been exterminated.

It is very unfortunate that the Israeli leadership at the time didn't have the courage and the vision to force out the entire Arab population. That would have been right and just and save the life of thousands of Jews over the years that follow.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2008, 06:24:00 PM »

'heading to the panic and the calls of the Arab leaders who implored them to leave and return after all the Jews had been exterminated.'

Actually this has been proved to be false. Erskine Childers actually studied the near east mointoting stations and found no such Arab orders. Also are you suggesting that ethnic cleansing is ok?

Zelhar · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2008, 06:56:33 PM »

There are many 'investigators' about this subject. There are traitorous israeli investigators in Israel that claim they have a proof of massacres committed against the Arabs and and they faked or invent the evidence to prove their claims. I never heard of Childers but I don't trust his claim because I know the contrary. There were even cases of Arabs who started fleeing and the Israelis literally begged them to stay and there are testimonies for that.

I think that in the case of the Jews and the transfer of the Arabs who reside in Israel to the Arab lands is the just solution. If you call it ethnic cleansing then yes it is ok, but I mean transfer and relocation of population and not killing, them god forbid.

We Jews have a tiny little country of our own and I don't think anyone has the right to take what is rightly our homeland from us. The Arabs control over 99% of the middle east. They have huge countries, an empire. But it's just not enough for them, they can't tolerate a homeland to the Jews be as tiny as it might.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:13:49 PM »

Actually many massacres did actually occur during 1948. The evidence is there if your willing to read about it. But i warn you, it doesn't make nice reading Even a cursory glance through Ben-Gurion's personal diary enteries demonstrate he was aware of these events. But why do you think it is ok for a people to be forced of their own land to accomadate settlers? Surely that is a facist idea? You say that you don't think anyone has a right to take your homeland, but why can you take other peoples homelands? Does the Talmudic law permit the treatment of non-jews as less than jews? You also seem to think that an Arab is just an Arab, but infact there are many different peoples who can be called Arab.
I wonder if you think Pagans have a right to rule say England just because paganism pre-dates Christianity. Would you support a pagan takeover of countries in which it predates christinaity or the ruling religion?

Lisa · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:18:25 PM »

Listen you troll, don't you dare come here peddling fakestinian sob stories. There are over fifty Arab countries, and at least 20 Muslim countries. So don't try and tell us this dispute is merely about innocent Arabs being thrown out of their homes. Your beloved innocent fakestinians were conducting pogroms against Jews long before the state of Israel was established.

So frankly, I will take the side of the Israelis, who built a Western democracy in a barren desert over barbarian goat fornicators who celebrated on 9/11. If you're one of the pro-fakestinian types, you've come to the wrong place.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:25:14 PM »

Sorry Lisa, but i have come here to have open and honest debate. i actually study the history. If you wish to silence open debate then perhaps you should go live in one of those muslim countries you seem to dislike. I would like to know what you think is wrong with honest debate? BTW im a christian european. What is a fakestinian?

Lisa · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:32:24 PM »

Well RepublicanStones, being that you're a Christian European, how do you feel about Europe becoming majority Muslim? If you don't want it happening in your own continent or country, then who are you to come here complaining about Israel trying to maintain its Jewish identity, and protecting her citizens from terrorism.

And before you go accusing Israel of being an "apartheid" state, you should know that there are Arab Muslim members of Israel's parliament, and Arab Muslim Supreme Court judges. In fact Miss Israel at one point was even an Arab. So don't even think of starting with that here.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:39:13 PM »

Europe is a long long way from becoming majority muslim. i suggest you look at the denomination census ratios.

'then who are you to come here complaining about Israel trying to maintain its Jewish identity, and protecting her citizens from terrorism.'

You fail to admit that before the ethnic cleansing of 1948 the land on which israel now sits had an arab identity. plan Dalet initiated the de-arabization of this region through ethnic cleansing. Do you not think it hypocritical to cry about Israel attempting to retain its jewish identity when it was actually founded through the wiping oput of another identity? Also you seem to ignore the historical FACT, that Israel was founded through terrorism and again is it not hypocritical to condem terrorism from those who were terrorized in the first palce? Im well aware that there are Arab members of the Knesset, but in your honest opinion do you think this is to placate the west and put forth an image of secularism or a real desire for a multicultural state? If it is the latter, why then don't they allow the right of return and recognise the several palestinian villages currently not officially recognised?

Shamgar · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:49:57 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 07:13:49 PM

Actually many massacres did actually occur during 1948. The evidence is there if your willing to read about it. But i warn you, it doesn't make nice reading Even a cursory glance through Ben-Gurion's personal diary enteries demonstrate he was aware of these events. But why do you think it is ok for a people to be forced of their own land to accomadate settlers? Surely that is a facist idea? You say that you don't think anyone has a right to take your homeland, but why can you take other peoples homelands? Does the Talmudic law permit the treatment of non-jews as less than jews? You also seem to think that an Arab is just an Arab, but infact there are many different peoples who can be called Arab.
I wonder if you think Pagans have a right to rule say England just because paganism pre-dates Christianity. Would you support a pagan takeover of countries in which it predates christinaity or the ruling religion?

I've seen the line of burned out vehicles outside of Jerusalem that remains as a memorial to close to 100 doctors and nurses that were MASSACRED trying to reach Haddasah Hospital with desperatly needed medicines and supplies. Doctors and nurses that treated arabs as well as Jews. I think most of the members of this forum can name 10 events for every one that you might conjure up. You piece of POOP!!!

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:51:22 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 07:39:13 PM

Europe is a long long way from becoming majority muslim. i suggest you look at the denomination census ratios.

'then who are you to come here complaining about Israel trying to maintain its Jewish identity, and protecting her citizens from terrorism.'

You fail to admit that before the ethnic cleansing of 1948 the land on which israel now sits had an arab identity. plan Dalet initiated the de-arabization of this region through ethnic cleansing. Do you not think it hypocritical to cry about Israel attempting to retain its jewish identity when it was actually founded through the wiping oput of another identity? Also you seem to ignore the historical FACT, that Israel was founded through terrorism and again is it not hypocritical to condem terrorism from those who were terrorized in the first palce? Im well aware that there are Arab members of the Knesset, but in your honest opinion do you think this is to placate the west and put forth an image of secularism or a real desire for a multicultural state? If it is the latter, why then don't they allow the right of return and recognise the several palestinian villages currently not officially recognised?

Time to stop this masturbation fest. Somebody please ban this gay pedophile.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:52:32 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 06:14:03 PM

Are you suggesting there was no plan Dalet and no ethnic cleansing of the palestinians?

I assume you also believe the Holocaust was a "plan" and hoax, too. Leave us alone and get back to your kiddieporn filesharing with your boyfriend Frank Weltner.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:56:46 PM »

'Somebody please ban this gay pedophile.'

Why would you seek to stifle debate? Something make you uncomfortable?

Why would i think the holocaust was a hoax? Why would you attempt to present that image of me? Again it seems you wish to discredit and stifle debate. Again i ask why you wish to enforce censorship? Why would you mention Kiddieporn? Is that something you involve yourelf in?

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:57:30 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 07:56:46 PM

Is that something you involve yourelf in?

My, my, my somebody sounds nervous!

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2008, 07:59:31 PM »

So, I noticed that you did not deny believing the Holocaust is a hoax.

Lisa · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:00:02 PM »

Listen you obnoxious troll! What you call "ethnic cleansing," I call Jews defending themselves against hostile Arab hordes hell bent on Israel's destruction. What's the matter? Don't Jews have a right to defend themselves? You think Arabs have the right to kill Jews? Never mind the fact that the Arabs have 600 times the land that tiny Israel has.

Before Israel gained her independence, it was part of the British mandate. And before that, it was part of the Ottoman Empire. There were never any Palestinian people. They just renamed themselves that when they had their smelly behinds handed to them after the 1967 war. So frankly, I do not take any claims of Israeli ethnic cleansing seriously when it's made by barbaric Arabs.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:00:48 PM »

Not nervous...happily married. just wonder why you would attempt to slur those with opposing views with such a label, it is quite childish no? Also, why do some on here wish to stifle debate? is that not a criticism of several muslim countries through their un-democratic practices???

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:00:52 PM »

The only thing "filthy" around here are RepublicanStones' genitals, because of where they were placed.

Lisa · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:02:26 PM »

Spare us your spiel about "free speech" and open debate. If you want that, start your own blog. But you don't come on a Jewish forum and accuse Jews of ethnic cleansing.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #21 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:02:56 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 08:00:48 PM

Not nervous...happily married.

I don't care what the States of California and Massachusetts call your living arrangement. In G-d's eyes, it's an abomination.

RepublicanStones · « **Reply #22 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:05:09 PM »

You claimed the Holocaust was a hoax not I. I know the holocaust happened, millions of Jews were murdered, gypsies, homosexuals and handicapped people suffered too, none should be forgotten. Yet again Lisa you seem to think an Arab is na Arab is an Arab, but fail to admit there are many peoples which make up this term. they are not all the same. israel was settled by western Jews, who had no biologiacl link whatsoever to the middle east. These settlers forced out the indigenous people, because they viewed them as less than them.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #23 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:06:24 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 08:05:09 PM

You claimed the Holocaust was a hoax not I. I know the holocaust happened, millions of Jews were murdered, gypsies, homosexuals and handicapped people suffered too, none should be forgotten. Yet again Lisa you seem to think an Arab is na Arab is an Arab, but fail to admit there are many peoples which make up this term. they are not all the same. israel was settled by western Jews, who had no biologiacl link whatsoever to the middle east. These settlers forced out the indigenous people, because they viewed them as less than them.

Save the drivel for the next Institute for Historical Review conference, Adolf. And while you're at it, you might want to be a little more faithful in taking your AZT cocktails because the syphilis has clearly begun to eat your brain.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #24 on:** July 28, 2008, 08:07:27 PM »

Quote from: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 08:05:09 PM

You claimed the Holocaust was a hoax not I.

No, I claimed that you believe it is a hoax, and you didn't deny it. You still haven't actually denied that it is a hoax.