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'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« on: August 04, 2011, 12:37:09 PM »

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/146394
The IDF Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Benny GAntz, has approved a committee's recommendation to restore the pre-1967 version of the military Yizkor memorial prayer.
 
The committee was appointed after a public debate erupted over an allegedly recent change in the Yizkor – from a version that opened with "May the Nation of Israel remember its sons and daughters" to one that said "May G-d remember His sons and daughters."
 
A petition to restore the prayer's "secular version" has garnered over 66,000 signatures – almost 1 out of 100 Israelis.
 
Gantz's bureau initially rejected the demand, noting that the change was made by former IDF Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren and had been official since immediately after the Six Day War.
 
The original version was penned by Berl Katznelson, a Zionist socialist leader, after the events of Tel Chai in 1920. It was modeled on the Jewish Yizkor prayer but was not religious in nature.
 
The committee appointed by Gantz was headed by Brigadier General Prof. Yishai Bar and included Chief Military Rabbi Brig.-Gen. Rafi Peretz and two other senior officers, who head the Education Corps and the Casualties Administration, respectively.  The team consulted rabbis, the IDF widows and orphans' organization and "men of letters."
 
Brig. Gen Bar said that the formula that the committee recommended for remembrance ceremonies includes religious elements – Kaddish, El Male' Rachamim and a chapter from Psalms – but also "respects the secular memorial culture."
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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 02:25:49 PM »
This news really hurt my Emmunah this morning. I almost wanted to post it here but it was so devastating to me that I did not want to hurt anyone elses emmunah/faith. How can Israel who is supposed to be a Jewish state, supposed to be a nation of Priests and Princes, and a nation that should be a light to the nations do such an evil thing? Hashem is the only reason the Jews are Jewish, the only reason that the entire creation exists, and the Jewish people have always been thankful to our Creator and the one who took us out of slavery. This is a smack in the face to Hashem and I believe that there will be serious repurcussions for this move.  The next move will be to install idols in the Beit Knesset...

 
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 02:28:06 PM »
This news really hurt my Emmunah this morning. I almost wanted to post it here but it was so devastating to me that I did not want to hurt anyone elses emmunah/faith. How can Israel who is supposed to be a Jewish state, supposed to be a nation of Priests and Princes, and a nation that should be a light to the nations do such an evil thing? Hashem is the only reason the Jews are Jewish, the only reason that the entire creation exists, and the Jewish people have always been thankful to our Creator and the one who took us out of slavery. This is a smack in the face to Hashem and I believe that there will be serious repurcussions for this move.  The next move will be to install idols in the Beit Knesset...

 

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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 02:54:57 PM »
EuroCommunist machinations.
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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 02:57:54 PM »
The Army is getting more religious. I am going in in a month.
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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 04:06:07 PM »
The Army is getting more religious. I am going in in a month.

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2011, 11:12:42 AM »
The IDF says it hates G-d (it's not really a suprise after the Holocaust it committed against Gazan Jews in 2005 when it blew out endless synagoguges and gave the Land of Israel to the Gentiles) and Jews keep joining. What a crazy people

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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 08:56:54 AM »
Communisim at its best!  :'(

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Re: 'G-d' Taken Out of Military Prayer
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2011, 10:13:02 PM »
Rabbi Berel Wein gives us his take on this sad news...



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10469

Judaism: IDF YIzkor Prayer Under Attack-What Next?
Published: 05/08/11, 10:07 AM


Yizkor services were the link connecting generations for ages in the Jewish world. Yizkor without God’s name in it is meaningless, a travesty of Jewish history and a mockery of the purpose of the prayer.


 The Judaism haters amongst us never are satisfied. The fact that there are observant Jews still around in the millions apparently disturbs them no end. After centuries of attempting to secularize the Jewish people they are vastly disturbed and disappointed that there are still so many Jews who refuse to heed their clarion call for progress and modernity.

It has been a battle for centuries in Europe regarding allowing Jewish shechita/ritual slaughter of animals. Sweden and Switzerland effectively ban shechita in their countries by requiring methodologies that are incompatible with halacha and kashrut standards. The Netherlands has also recently considered banning shechita. Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks of Britain has warned that there is a danger of the entire EU considering banning shechita.

Of course all of this is portrayed as not being anti-Jewish; it is merely a matter of being more humanitarian to animals. In Germany in the 1930’s Hitler also banned shechita on humanitarian grounds and we are all aware what a great humanitarian he was.

In pre-World War II Poland shechita was vastly curtailed and made well nigh impossible by an openly anti-Semitic government. And in the paradise of the Stalinist Soviet Union shechita was also forbidden.

Even in the United States, animal rights activists, PETA and the radical left are always attempting to have kosher slaughter banned. Animals have rights and must be protected; Jews however have no right to observe their religion and must be coerced into the brave new world of murderous secularism.

Of course the enthusiasm for anti-shechita legislation has waned somewhat since the Holocaust but never fear the avowed secularist/atheistic political action lobby  moves on to a new point of attack against Judaism.

The new culprit found lurking in Judaism and preventing the modern society from reaching the desired apex of free choice is the Jewish ritual of circumcision of male infants on the eighth day of their life. This ancient ritual attributed to our father Abraham and his son Isaac has been sanctified by Jewish martyrdom to preserve it throughout the ages.

Again, couched only in purely compassionate and humanitarian language, there is a referendum, although a judge has declared it illegal, scheduled for San Francisco California this fall to ban circumcision of infants on freedom of choice and humanitarian grounds. The obvious target of this high sounding proposal is squarely Judaism and the Jews.

The fact that there is amongst us a number of nut-case Jews actually supporting this proposition only increases its shamefulness. There were Jews who voted for Hitler also in the early 1930’s German elections. No amount of rational argument, scientific and medical testimony as to its benefits or appeals to religious tolerance will move the anti-circumcision group. As with most committed secularists and atheists it is either their way or the highway.

And as usual it is Judaism, Jews and Jewish practices that are the most disturbing elements of society as far as they are concerned. As a fallout of this by the way, the state of Colorado recently announced that it will no longer cover circumcision in its Medicaid program. This will save the state $186,000 out of a Medicaid budget of hundreds of millions of dollars. Other states are also banning Medicaid payments for circumcision though again the amounts previously allocated were paltry in the general budgetary scheme of things. Jewish organizations have protested but to no apparent avail. But never mind, progress and fiscal probity must always prevail.

Here in Israel the diehard secularists have amassed forty thousand signatures on a petition and prevented God’s name from being used in the official memorial prayer of the Israel Defense Forces for fallen soldiers. So now the traditional Yizkor prayer was attacked.

Yizkor services were the link connecting generations for ages in the Jewish world. Yizkor without God’s name in it is meaningless, a travesty of Jewish history and a mockery of the purpose of the prayer. Without God there is absolutely no purpose or true meaning to the prayer.

Every person has the right to decide to recite the prayer or not. But to attempt to adjust the prayer by the enlightened few at the expense of the sensitivities of the many whom they so disdain is arrogant and hurtful.

As secularism declines here in Israel, the hardened believing (atheism is also a religious belief) non-believers have become more strident and bitter.  So, shechita, circumcisions, prayers and Yizkor are all today’s battlefront for the continuity of Jewish life and values and traditions. But, fear not, our avowed secularists and anti-Semites will find other causes to war with us in the future.

Truly, what is next?
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14