The British National Party?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Hello,

Can somebody please tell me more about the British National Party? I've been hearing some good things about it from some of you guys, but I honestly know zilch about English politics, and am plenty leery of ALL Euro political movements. Thus, my questions would be:

--does it support Israel in all things?
--how does it differ from European fascist parties such as those led by Joerg Haider and Le Pen?
--does it support the United States?

Thank you all for any input you may be able to give.

Chaimfan

[Trumpeldor]

I think their views on Islam are correct but unfortunately many of its founders are alleged neo-Nazis.

http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/young_nazi_proud.html

[ftfl]

Some members of the bnp are good, many are not, they may have the right idea about Islam, but a lot of them are also anti-semites, generally racist and often violent.

[Sarah]

Here is their website:

"http://www.bnp.org.uk/"

Their mission statement is:

"The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe. The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.
While we recognise the United Kingdom as a political entity, the BNP does not arrogantly seek to impose one set of Westminster dominated decisions across these nations. We embrace and cherish the native cultural diversity within the British Isles and wish to extend the concept of democracy to the lowest possible level, where those that are affected by a decision are the ones who influence and make the decision."

Personally i think they're confused, many of the members aren't pure british people as they claim to be. Just neo-nazis who want violence and use "we want to keep britishness" as an excuse. Some of their methods are like that of the muslims.

[Christian Zionist]

BNP is anti-Islam but it is anti-Israel as well.  Once BNP chairman Nick Griffin described Israel as "sh$#@y little republic".

They seems to be conservatives and nationalists but their anti-Israel stand makes them pseudo conservatives.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Thanks for the clarification. I doubted from the start that Euros are capable of forming a respectable movement, guess I was validated.

[Fruit of thy loins]

In a hundred years' time no one will be born who would be considered 'white' by today's standards.  Most of the BNP's new members are Indians and racist ethnic minorities in addition to the hardcore lager lout skinhead membership.

Most white people in Britain are committed to 'adapting' instead of making a last stand for their culture.  Simply put, whites have no future here any more.

[sat_chit_anand]

The British National Party is just beginning, they have very little funding.

I am a member of the party myself. I can confirm that:

There are some neo-nazis in the party, but they do not get very far, and they will be excluded from meeting and from the inner administration. There are quite simply, no intelligent neo-nazis left, and the BNP has a Jewish councillor (Pat Richardson) and many Jewish members. The BNP recently excreted, long-time activist, Sharon Ebanks, for a number of reason including anti-Semitism.

The founder of the party, John Tyndall, was part of a neo-nazi paramilitary movement in his youth. The far-right in Britain split into various factions, Roman Catholic/Green-influenced Distributists, Neo-Nazis who wanted to see a grand Anglo-Saxon union between America, Germany and Britain, and classcial fascists. John Tyndall became a Distributist, and was succeeded by Nick Griffin who is also a Distributist. Distributism is similar but not quite the same as fascism, there is more flexibility within Distibutism. The BNP stands for low taxation, small businesses, and reduction of bureaucracy.

Anti-Semitism in the Brit Nat movement stems from attacks by Jewish communists who seem to claim to be the only voice for Jewish people.

I am a (not Jewish) member of the party myself, I am not an anti-Semite, and to coin a phrase: I have Jewish friends and so do my folks.

Sarah (the muslim) and Fruit (the sex-obsessed Jezebel) are yet again cluttering up the forum with their meaningless recalcitrant ramblings.

The BNP is a disorganised and underfunded political party with many unsuitable and misguided members, however this is changing. Pat Richardson (Jewish) runs the BNP's most successful team of councillors.

Chaimfan, I would not want the BNP to support Israel in all things. I would want the BNP to support the Kahanist movement in Israel. However the BNP is committed to withdrawing from the European Union, which makes it a de facto supporter of Israel since the EU funds the 'Palestinian' Authority.

The BNP has links with Le Pen, however, the BNP is not fascistic like the Front National because the British people have a different character to that of the French and a very different economic model. The BNP prefers a mixture of Distributism/Localism with free-market economics, and is intensely committed to democracy similar to that of the Swiss direct democractic model. Joerg Haider is no longer with the Austrian Freedom Party, and the current FPOe is not fascist, and campaigns on a platform to denationalise Austria state-owned utilities, the reverse of the BNP who would renationalise many of Britain's utilities to suit Britain's unique economy.

I cannot see how any Euro-nationalist party could 'support' the US. It would be nice to see some cooperation with American nationalists, but there is not much choice is there? Pat Buchanan is a republican and David Duck is an anti-Semite, possibly a religious anti-Semite. I cannot accept that, and the BNP cannot accept that, so, another solution has to be found.

These articles may help to clarify the BNP's position on Middle East politics:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=80
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=81
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=82


Finally, it will require the involvement of British Jews within nationalist politics to excrete the remaining anti-Semitism and anti-Semites from within British nationalism. With Britain's far-left aligning themselves with Hezbollah (google search 'George Galloway') the battle lines have already been drawn. I would like the BNP and the European nationalist movements to give political support to the Kahanists in Israel.

My chum is approaching the UJS (United Jewish Societies) to arrange for some Kahanist or similar speakers to give a talk to the Jewish Society at my college, on my request.

So, please, flame and insult me and my political party after the dotted line. I am waiting...

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[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  Post by sat chit anand...

I can understand why young Brits in the 1920's & 1930's turned to splinter parties supporting nationalism.

I read author William Shirer's interview with "Lord Haw Haw", the British expatriate who joined the Nazis and served as a broadcast propagandist during WWII.

His reasons for deserting his homeland struck home with me; being sound and good reasons which are valid today -- rampant unemployment, all wealth & social services only for the upper class, a corrupt government full of liars & incompetents, and a Bolshevik controlled broadcast and print media...realizing that he had no future whatsoever he was easy prey for a nationalist movement.

Sounds kind of familiar.

I personally have no problems with any nationalistic party which is willing to endorse my own.

Regarding the following political celebrities:

-Pat Buchanan WAS a Republican, but now is an intellectual "Constitutionalist", "America Firster", and a rabid Jew-Hater.
He's also inconsistent politically; having chosen America's foremost Nazi Jew-Hater as his campaign manager on his last run for the Presidency; while choosing a rabid Marxist [censored] revolutionary for his Vice Presidential running mate.
Their "political platform" was vaguely nationalistic, & based entirely on the premise that "JEW" was behind all problems in the world.

-David Duke is a professional "Anti-Semite".
His only platform and only talking point is "Death to all Jews".
Poses as an intellectual and lately was a former Louisiana Republican legislator (moved up from his previous leadership of Ku Klux Klan).  Recently was released from prison after several years lockup.  Regardless, he makes his living as a Nazi...selling the usual Nazi paraphernalia & "Jew Conspiracy" books & pamphlets.
Others in the neo-Nazi movement claim he's not only a queer, but also engaged in large-scale distribution & sales of illicit products to finance his "public relations".
Definitely not Christian.
A closet Odin Norse Religion Aryan is his real belief (that is; if he actually has any beliefs at all).

As far as BNP unable to support the U.S., bear in mind that currently (and lately) the government is totally and thoroughly in violation of the Constitution of the United States of America; and as such is an illegal and alien regime.
power.

"Whenever things obviously can't keep going on this way, they won't!"

[kahaneloyalist]

I remember during the last Lebanon war the BNP had a article on their homepage saying they hope the Jews wipe out the Lebanese Muslims and that while the BNP is indifferent to Zionism as a concept they support all Nationalisms especially those that fight the Muzzies.

I also remember Nick Griffin lamenting how many Nationalists are convinced that "Their are Jews under every bed"

[sat_chit_anand]

If there are any British Jews on the forum, I would advise them to join the BNP and help with the campaign work.

I would agree that Duke is a professional anti-Semite, which is a rather low position to operate from. His criticisms of the Jewish establishment might be remarkably similar to what might say on this forum, but he remains resolutely opposed to Zionism, and it just seems so spiteful of him. He is so much the perfect ideological counterpart to groups like the ADL that you could even imagine them working together.

Regarding Haw Haw, I think that he must have seen matters in very broad geo-political terms. Britain has been run by scumbags for quite a long time now, possibly since Queen Elizabeth. It depends upon your point of view, but there are few political figures who I can admire in recent British history. I could never accept that National Socialism was right, but I do feel that Britain compounded Germany's problems. Britain squandered the wealth of her empire and stole from emerging economies.

If you want to know more about the British National Party read their website. The BNP is Britain's fastest growing political party and now is the time for anyone who wants to be involved to join the party and become part of the movement.

[MarZutra]

I think that the groups sounds very informed.  I do agree with Fotl as well as Massuh.  I feel that if any Jews do take an active role in that, or any organization, it must be done with a clear, logical and loud voice against the Socialistic/Communistic un-Jewish portion of our "Jewish" people and to stand up for the Judeo-Christian moral ethics.  It is our duty as Jews to confront those who spit in G-d's eye or distort the Torah, which most certainly the British Communist/Socialist Judenrot do.  Any Nationalistic nation that puts their culture first (provided it is based on the concepts of moral conservatism) has my vote.  The tragic part of many of Conservative movements is that they end up being influenced by splinter religious groups.  As you know most Catholics are not very friendly to Jews or Israel.  In fact their pontiff is pandering to the Moslem hord while trying to take Jerusalem....  from my readings anyway.

[Sarah]

sat_chit_anand what kind of role do you play in being a member?

I just find their mission and aim rather objectiveless and they wander around in circles. However they have obviously been successful and have patriotic as well as minor supporters, which proves that they are heading somewhere.

[sat_chit_anand]

Sarah, I help to distribute leaflets, things like that. If you join a political party that is the sort of thing which you will be asked to do. Since I joined the party every change they have made to their programme has been to my satisfaction.

If you think that the BNP are without a mission, you should look at the other political parties' websites. It is a question of values for me; the other political parties don't have any.

I would say that Zionists must watch Roman Catholicism. Germany is producing scores of Jesuit trained 'Europhiles' who aim to take their places in the EU administation, there were many at my college (UK) studying economics, law, political science. Roman Catholicism is somewhat antithetical to nationalism. I fear that the Roman Church is too concerned with its bank. Didn't they bankroll the holocaust?

[sat_chit_anand]

This evening me and some friends will be meeting with the Rabbi who is the Jewish chaplain for the students in my part of the world. We will be asking him about the possibility of inviting a Kahanist speaker to speak to the JSOC at the university.

I have no idea what the response will be. He is a Chassidic-Chabad-Lubavitcher.

[kahaneloyalist]

hard to say how he will respond, many Chabadniks in Israel and America are Kahanists but from what I have heard British Jewry isnt cut from the same cloth