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What is your opinion of Michael Wiener?

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Michael WIENER poll
« on: August 11, 2008, 06:50:04 PM »
Pretty simple poll...

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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 06:53:42 PM »
I think it's funny how with his name you don't even have to change it like you do with the names of others.  ;D

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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 07:03:56 PM »
Call him Michael Sewage.

It is more clever and less profane.

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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 07:12:48 PM »
Call him Michael Sewage.

It is more clever and less profane.

That is a good name :)

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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 07:15:13 PM »
I'm listening to him right now.  Yes, he's all over the place on Georgia... changing his mind as he speaks...  still, very entertaining.




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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 07:26:14 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 07:42:47 PM »
Yes, he flip flops.. but he can be very informative and very entertaining. I've learned many things (especially about history) by listening to his show, so I can't totally knock him. But yes, the flip flopping can be unbearable..

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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 07:43:01 PM »
ok enough of this obsession with Michael Savage.

He is nothing more than an entertainer and who likes to give opinions.  His ego matters more than anything, but he's better than the most leftist types of radio hosts.  An entertainer tries to do his job as most entertainers do.  If someone wants to take someone seriously on the right wing, Chaim is one of those people who woudl be best to take seriously.  Not Michael Savage.
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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 09:46:51 PM »
ok enough of this obsession with Michael Savage.

He is nothing more than an entertainer and who likes to give opinions.  His ego matters more than anything, but he's better than the most leftist types of radio hosts.  An entertainer tries to do his job as most entertainers do.  If someone wants to take someone seriously on the right wing, Chaim is one of those people who woudl be best to take seriously.  Not Michael Savage.

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 09:53:28 PM »
Aside from his flip flopping or his butt licking of any "Palestinian" that happens to call in, I feel Savage is about 80% spot on most of the time.  He's the best that's out there.  Sometimes I have to turn him off because he gets so infuriating on certain subjects.  I disagree with him that "All Religions lead to G-d."  I disagree with him entirely concerning the Middle East, Israel and Mohammadans.  I disagree on his embracement of "Evolution".  I disagree with him on when he brags about him having a real PhD.  Most of the people that are actively distroying America hold the exact same PhD's. 

I think Dr. Paul Johnson summed it up nicely within his fabulous book "Intellectuals":

"But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs.  The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old.  I share that scepticism.  A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia.  But I would go further.  One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity is - beware intellectuals.  Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice.  Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals.  Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks.  Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events.  For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour.  Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value.  That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action.  Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget:  that people matter more than concepts and must come first.  The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas." - Dr. Paul Johnson: "Intellectuals", Pg. 342
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 11:07:41 PM »
Poll doesn't work - too extreme of the range. With all his shortcomings, I like him. But what if I didn't? I wouldn't Hate him. So, what should I choose in the options you've offered?
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 11:09:49 PM »
I am going top stay neutral on this one, C.F.
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Re: Michael Faggot poll
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 12:54:33 AM »
Yes, he flip flops.. but he can be very informative and very entertaining. I've learned many things (especially about history) by listening to his show, so I can't totally knock him. But yes, the flip flopping can be unbearable..

Thats true.  He does a great job teaching history.. and he makes it entertaining.  I wish he was my history Prof.  (Mine were all wacko Libs).
Honestly... I try to teach my son history in a very similar way.



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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 01:47:11 AM »
Love him or hate him, Savage should cut Chaim a percentage of what he makes.

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 07:50:08 AM »
Aside from his flip flopping or his butt licking of any "Palestinian" that happens to call in, I feel Savage is about 80% spot on most of the time.  He's the best that's out there.  Sometimes I have to turn him off because he gets so infuriating on certain subjects.  I disagree with him that "All Religions lead to G-d."  I disagree with him entirely concerning the Middle East, Israel and Mohammadans.  I disagree on his embracement of "Evolution".  I disagree with him on when he brags about him having a real PhD.  Most of the people that are actively distroying America hold the exact same PhD's. 

I think Dr. Paul Johnson summed it up nicely within his fabulous book "Intellectuals":

"But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs.  The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old.  I share that scepticism.  A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia.  But I would go further.  One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity is - beware intellectuals.  Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice.  Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals.  Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks.  Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events.  For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour.  Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value.  That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action.  Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget:  that people matter more than concepts and must come first.  The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas." - Dr. Paul Johnson: "Intellectuals", Pg. 342

  Agree with you MarZutra, he is ON the $$ most of the time.
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2008, 10:06:00 AM »
Aside from his flip flopping or his butt licking of any "Palestinian" that happens to call in, I feel Savage is about 80% spot on most of the time.  He's the best that's out there.  Sometimes I have to turn him off because he gets so infuriating on certain subjects.  I disagree with him that "All Religions lead to G-d."  I disagree with him entirely concerning the Middle East, Israel and Mohammadans.  I disagree on his embracement of "Evolution".  I disagree with him on when he brags about him having a real PhD.  Most of the people that are actively distroying America hold the exact same PhD's. 

I think Dr. Paul Johnson summed it up nicely within his fabulous book "Intellectuals":

"But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs.  The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old.  I share that scepticism.  A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia.  But I would go further.  One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity is - beware intellectuals.  Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice.  Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals.  Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks.  Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events.  For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour.  Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value.  That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action.  Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget:  that people matter more than concepts and must come first.  The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas." - Dr. Paul Johnson: "Intellectuals", Pg. 342

  Agree with you MarZutra, he is ON the $$ most of the time.
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2008, 02:38:16 PM »
Aside from his flip flopping or his butt licking of any "Palestinian" that happens to call in, I feel Savage is about 80% spot on most of the time.  He's the best that's out there.  Sometimes I have to turn him off because he gets so infuriating on certain subjects.  I disagree with him that "All Religions lead to G-d."  I disagree with him entirely concerning the Middle East, Israel and Mohammadans.  I disagree on his embracement of "Evolution".  I disagree with him on when he brags about him having a real PhD.  Most of the people that are actively distroying America hold the exact same PhD's. 

I think Dr. Paul Johnson summed it up nicely within his fabulous book "Intellectuals":

"But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs.  The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old.  I share that scepticism.  A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia.  But I would go further.  One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity is - beware intellectuals.  Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice.  Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals.  Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks.  Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events.  For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour.  Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value.  That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action.  Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget:  that people matter more than concepts and must come first.  The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas." - Dr. Paul Johnson: "Intellectuals", Pg. 342

  Agree with you MarZutra, he is ON the $$ most of the time.
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2008, 02:49:05 PM »
I must say that I like Savage much better than Rush and Hannity as they are both Establisment figures and only ape the party lines.  At least Savage brings to the table, most of the time, education and knowledge not simply playing follow their leader...  Obviously my aforementioned position is applicable as well... :)
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 03:43:26 PM »
You might not be aware of this but Rush Limbaugh, the drug addict and hypocrite, has some HORRIBLE ideologies.

For example, he proclaims how great these multinational corporations are. When the flooding happened in Louisiana, he stated that Walmart (one of the worst violators of illegal immigration and supporters of homosexual rights mind you) should have taken over in place of the government and then everything would have been wonderful. I couldn't even believe it. I heard it with my own ears. And he even went on to explain further and this went on for about a half hour.

He thinks multinational conglomerates should actually take the place of our government. This is as evil as it gets. You can just imagine what would happen if all these huge world-wide monopolies were completely in charge. Rush is a sold out traitor and a despicable excuse for a human being. I could go on. Rush is a classic example of a sold-out fake conservative.
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 03:44:25 PM »
You might not be aware of this but Rush Limbaugh, the drug addict and hypocrite, has some HORRIBLE ideologies.

For example, he proclaims how great these multinational corporations are. When the flooding happened in Louisiana, he stated that Walmart (one of the worst violators of illegal immigration and supporters of homosexual rights mind you) should have taken over in place of the government and then everything would have been wonderful. I couldn't even believe it. I heard it with my own ears. And he even went on to explain further and this went on for about a half hour.

He thinks multinational conglomerates should actually take the place of our government. This is as evil as it gets. You can just imagine what would happen if all these huge world-wide monopolies were completely in charge. Rush is a sold out traitor and a despicable excuse for a human being. I haven't listened to him since.

Shlomo,

I should remind you that without multinational corporations we would not have the computers were are using, the video and audio equipment we enjoy. I have worked for several multinational corporations and we have created some of the most advanced technology in the world. I dont hate multinational corporations and I think they have done much good in this world.

Having said this, I dont imply that there should be political power in the multinational corporation. They should be subject to the same rules as any company in the host country.

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 04:06:12 PM »
You might not be aware of this but Rush Limbaugh, the drug addict and hypocrite, has some HORRIBLE ideologies.

For example, he proclaims how great these multinational corporations are. When the flooding happened in Louisiana, he stated that Walmart (one of the worst violators of illegal immigration and supporters of homosexual rights mind you) should have taken over in place of the government and then everything would have been wonderful. I couldn't even believe it. I heard it with my own ears. And he even went on to explain further and this went on for about a half hour.

He thinks multinational conglomerates should actually take the place of our government. This is as evil as it gets. You can just imagine what would happen if all these huge world-wide monopolies were completely in charge. Rush is a sold out traitor and a despicable excuse for a human being. I could go on. Rush is a classic example of a sold-out fake conservative.

Shlomo,

Rush Limbaugh also supported the takeover of our port security by Dubai Ports World, which is controlled by Sheikh Mohammed of the UAE. 
Michael Savage was the most outspoken person against the deal and urged his audience to call congress to stop it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 04:12:55 PM »
muman613,

Multinational corporations are sick machines that care nothing about Torah, morals, values, ethics, or sanity. Part of the reason we are having the massive problems right now with all the "New World Order" garbage is primarily because of multinational corporations. A lot of the problems we are facing today with the oil (and leading onto the the entire middle east) is because of multinational corporations. Why would these huge oil conglomerates care about islam?

They skirt the law, find no value in human life, and kill any competition (capitalism) before it even has a chance. They make plans to turn this country into a third world banana republic and get around slavery laws by going to other countries like Mexico, China, or India. They get around tax laws and have no problem letting thousands of people go only days before their retirement. You just can't find a long term job with this mess anymore.

Chaim has stated repeatedly that multinational corporations are huge problem and seek to destroy this country. They don't have any loyalties - except to their pockets. They would love to see America fall... because that would raise revenues and provide cheap labor. These entities have almost no responsibility but have the rights of a human being under our law.

All the technology you talk about goes almost nowhere. We are behind 14 years on our current cell phone technology and a minimum of 30 years on our phone service. Software is getting worse and new version actually have features removed to reduce phone support calls - which can never be handled even after you wait for 2 hours once your hit 2 for English. Vista is Microsoft's new answer to software and just recently the government came down on ram chip corporations for illegal price fixing. Innovation has been stifled because competition is stifled. Where's all this technology for alternative fuel? Oh ya... they either got bought out, sued, or worse because their solution would have caused competition and innovation thus touching profit margins.

I should find some of Chaim's archived audio on this topic. Chaim is so articulate and says it 10x better than I ever could.

camerakid400, you are absolutely right and 100% correct.
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 04:12:59 PM »
You might not be aware of this but Rush Limbaugh, the drug addict and hypocrite, has some HORRIBLE ideologies.

For example, he proclaims how great these multinational corporations are. When the flooding happened in Louisiana, he stated that Walmart (one of the worst violators of illegal immigration and supporters of homosexual rights mind you) should have taken over in place of the government and then everything would have been wonderful. I couldn't even believe it. I heard it with my own ears. And he even went on to explain further and this went on for about a half hour.

He thinks multinational conglomerates should actually take the place of our government. This is as evil as it gets. You can just imagine what would happen if all these huge world-wide monopolies were completely in charge. Rush is a sold out traitor and a despicable excuse for a human being. I could go on. Rush is a classic example of a sold-out fake conservative.
I agree that Rush is terrible. He is constantly singing the praises of big business, especially Big Oil. I am sure that he is paid to do so. All of the Republican Party is just like that pig and so are all the other conservafrauds such as Coulter, Hannity, etc.

But Michael Sewage (aka Michael Wiener, Michael Faggot) is worse than them because he is a self-hating Jew who stabs fellow Jews in the back for ratings. He claims that most Muslims are good people and that Israel commits atrocities. For that I must say yimach schmo to that animal.

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 04:19:03 PM »
Have to agree with Shlomo here. Muman, I think you have too much of a tendency to knee-jerk defend the Republican mainstream, like when you were saying that Valerie Plame deserved to be outed by Scooter Libby and Bob Novak. Multinational corporations are evil personified. They control our government, set our foreign policies, and enslave billions of people. Granted--Muman might have a point that MNCs have created much of the technologies we have, but at what cost? Do we need to have a technocratic bureaucracy of a world? How have computers, cars, cellphones etc. really improved our quality of life in the long run? Haven't they reduced our freedom more than anything else? Is our quality of life and real happiness any better than it was 100 years ago?

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 04:30:54 PM »
You might not be aware of this but Rush Limbaugh, the drug addict and hypocrite, has some HORRIBLE ideologies.

For example, he proclaims how great these multinational corporations are. When the flooding happened in Louisiana, he stated that Walmart (one of the worst violators of illegal immigration and supporters of homosexual rights mind you) should have taken over in place of the government and then everything would have been wonderful. I couldn't even believe it. I heard it with my own ears. And he even went on to explain further and this went on for about a half hour.

He thinks multinational conglomerates should actually take the place of our government. This is as evil as it gets. You can just imagine what would happen if all these huge world-wide monopolies were completely in charge. Rush is a sold out traitor and a despicable excuse for a human being. I could go on. Rush is a classic example of a sold-out fake conservative.
I agree that Rush is terrible. He is constantly singing the praises of big business, especially Big Oil. I am sure that he is paid to do so. All of the Republican Party is just like that pig and so are all the other conservafrauds such as Coulter, Hannity, etc.

But Michael Sewage (aka Michael Wiener, Michael Faggot) is worse than them because he is a self-hating Jew who stabs fellow Jews in the back for ratings. He claims that most Muslims are good people and that Israel commits atrocities. For that I must say yimach schmo to that animal.

Mr. C.F.,

I hate to keep talking about this issue but I would like to correct some of your misinformation.
I have found absolutely no evidence that Savage has ever criticized Israel for atrocities.
In 2006, during the lebanon war, savage said :
 Israel must ensure "nothing is left living in Southern Lebanon" and must "free[ ] itself of the men ... act[ing] like Holocaust Jews hiding in the sewer"
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