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What is your opinion of Michael Wiener?

Love him
14 (42.4%)
Hate him
9 (27.3%)
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10 (30.3%)

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 04:45:33 PM »

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2008, 05:07:50 PM »
muman613,

Multinational corporations are sick machines that care nothing about Torah, morals, values, ethics, or sanity. Part of the reason we are having the massive problems right now with all the "New World Order" garbage is primarily because of multinational corporations. A lot of the problems we are facing today with the oil (and leading onto the the entire middle east) is because of multinational corporations. Why would these huge oil conglomerates care about islam?

They skirt the law, find no value in human life, and kill any competition (capitalism) before it even has a chance. They make plans to turn this country into a third world banana republic and get around slavery laws by going to other countries like Mexico, China, or India. They get around tax laws and have no problem letting thousands of people go only days before their retirement. You just can't find a long term job with this mess anymore.

Chaim has stated repeatedly that multinational corporations are huge problem and seek to destroy this country. They don't have any loyalties - except to their pockets. They would love to see America fall... because that would raise revenues and provide cheap labor. These entities have almost no responsibility but have the rights of a human being under our law.

All the technology you talk about goes almost nowhere. We are behind 14 years on our current cell phone technology and a minimum of 30 years on our phone service. Software is getting worse and new version actually have features removed to reduce phone support calls - which can never be handled even after you wait for 2 hours once your hit 2 for English. Vista is Microsoft's new answer to software and just recently the government came down on ram chip corporations for illegal price fixing. Innovation has been stifled because competition is stifled. Where's all this technology for alternative fuel? Oh ya... they either got bought out, sued, or worse because their solution would have caused competition and innovation thus touching profit margins.

I should find some of Chaim's archived audio on this topic. Chaim is so articulate and says it 10x better than I ever could.

camerakid400, you are absolutely right and 100% correct.

Shlomo,

You make some good points. But I am speaking only from my personal experience. I have been paid very well, have been treated with respect, been given religious freedom {to take off Yom Tovim and wearing TzitTzits and kippah}, and my companies stock is still hot in this down market.

I am willing to admit there are negatives. I too am against the Walmartization of this country. But CAPITALISM is not perfect. There was a rule "He who has the gold, makes the rules". I know this is not the Jewish wisdom, but it is the wisdom of the west. I too long for a life of Torah but I think till Hashem sends our Moshiach, we will struggle in this world. I have been VERY VERY fortunate and I count every blessing as a gift from Hashem. I started in Computer repair and programming at the age of 14. I have skills which were given to me for a reason. I will not be an ingrate and not acknowledge that whatever I have endeavored to do I have accomplished.

So I will agree with you on some issues... But I will not condemn all multinational corporations. I live in an imperfect world and work as best as I can with the circumstances which come my way...

muman613

PS: And I can take the good fortune which comes my way and contribute it to the causes which help Israel and the Jewish nation.

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2008, 05:09:07 PM »
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1668920/posts

The person who posted that information was banned at FR.  It dates to 12 days before Savage's comments that Media Matters has recorded on tape at the link I provided.  It also does not correspond to any comments I have ever heard Savage make on Israel. 
In addition, Savage has a statement on Israel on the website of the Paul Revere Society here:
http://www.olsenclan.com/clients/savage/prs_mission.shtml
The Paul Revere society was a conservative organization founded by Savage in 1995, and it has been defunct since 2003 or so.

Mr. CF, you chose one highly suspicious comment at FR posted with no context, transcript, or audio evidence to come to the conclusion that Savage doesn't support Israel.  You should listen to Savage and make up your own mind on weather or not he supports Israel.  Rabbi Yosef Langer in San Fransisco also made comments praising Savage on Israel in 2007. http://www.chabad.com/site/c.eeJNIWOzErH/b.1986725/apps/nl/content3.asp?content_id=%7BEA1D39DD-CBC2-4B60-BA2A-D505C0433796%7D&notoc=1
“Michael’s voice of advocacy on behalf of Israel, is unparalleled,” says Rabbi Langer.  “He is also known to plant a ‘smooch’ on the mezuzah affixed to the doorpost of his many homes.”
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2008, 05:31:57 PM »
  I believe that Muman is doing his American Civil duty. It is highly UNETHICAL and downright seditious to talk about a PRES while we are still in hostile territory. Of course some of us are just old-fashioned. I am- it was AGAINST the rule of my family to talk about Leaders while at war- I will stick to this- if that muZ beast gets in there, though, ALL BETS ARE OFF.

  I AGREE Camerakid- but the fact still is, that Savage DOES take lines, he HATES this himself, so he should not do it.
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2008, 10:27:23 PM »
It is my opinion that the multi-national corporations are, in most cases bad for ones nation.  Since the vast majority of new drugs, technology, inventions etc. etc. are made either in Israel or the West, the West is really not benefitting from them in that they are not giving us things we otherwise wouldn't have.  I am of the opinion that in most industries, the only real benefit for the multi-national corporations is to exploit the dictatorial developing, communist Turd world exploiting the Marxist schema of "Free Trade" to bolster massive profit margins that they'd otherwise for-go should they remained "national".  Especially the manufacturing.  It is almost the reality that these massive companies exploit ever "globalist" or marxist platform towards expanding their bottom line.  No loyalty whatsoever....  Like George Soros or Rupert Murdoch...

Most are invented in the West and manufactured off shore....  I think they are actually killing our economy and corrupting the political situations in any of their foreign countries they operate like the foreign held corporations here screwing with our political system solely for their benefits...

A game of power.  Money is power.  And sadly power is money.... ;)
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2008, 11:27:14 PM »
Multinational companies don't necessarily have to be bad. In many instances they develop and deliver essential products and services and provide employment for vast numbers of people. It's easy to lose sight of this.

However, it's equally true that more often than not, the primary consideration of these corporations is to make more and more money and increase profits. Far too frequently, the greater long term good of the societies and nations the multinationals operate in, is sacrificed or takes only secondary consideration to the short term corporate pursuit of increasing revenues and profits.

What's the answer to this dilemma ? I honestly don't know. I don't think nationalizing vital interests or having more governmental interdiction into corporate affairs is the cure all. At the same time the laisez faire policy apparently in effect when large corporate interests conflict with national interests seemingly isn't working either. The question becomes how can these multinationals be regulated in a way that best serves all concerned. There is no easy answer.

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2008, 02:30:05 AM »
Multinational companies don't necessarily have to be bad. In many instances they develop and deliver essential products and services and provide employment for vast numbers of people. It's easy to lose sight of this.

However, it's equally true that more often than not, the primary consideration of these corporations is to make more and more money and increase profits. Far too frequently, the greater long term good of the societies and nations the multinationals operate in, is sacrificed or takes only secondary consideration to the short term corporate pursuit of increasing revenues and profits.

What's the answer to this dilemma ? I honestly don't know. I don't think nationalizing vital interests or having more governmental interdiction into corporate affairs is the cure all. At the same time the laisez faire policy apparently in effect when large corporate interests conflict with national interests seemingly isn't working either. The question becomes how can these multinationals be regulated in a way that best serves all concerned. There is no easy answer.

MuckDeFuslims,

Very good analysis. It echos my feelings exactly. I am not sure if I would have been able to articulate it as well as you did...

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2008, 09:17:57 AM »
Ending "Free Trade" and bringing back the Trade Tariffs would be one answer.  People say that it is "protectionism", obviously another leftist molested term.  The fact is business is war and in a fight/war one obviously protects themselves....

I'd love to see one independant study comparing America pre-and post "Free Trade".  I think the reality speaks for itself. 

I debated my politician over this matter once. I simply asked him why is it that prior to free trade, (the so-called "Women's Rights" movement) there could be a single income raising 4 children, with a decent home and few cars with savings left over?  Today with two incomes, if the family is still together and not paying for two homes/appartments, one car (or the bus) cannot raise one child properly nor have any savings?

The fact of the matter is that prior to about 1980-88, the West quickly changed from nations with cultures, faith, productivity, efficiency and individualism to "globalism", "Socialism" and poverty...

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2008, 01:36:29 PM »
I agree that Rush is terrible. He is constantly singing the praises of big business, especially Big Oil. I am sure that he is paid to do so. All of the Republican Party is just like that pig and so are all the other conservafrauds such as Coulter, Hannity, etc.

But Michael Sewage (aka Michael Wiener, Michael Faggot) is worse than them because he is a self-hating Jew who stabs fellow Jews in the back for ratings. He claims that most Muslims are good people and that Israel commits atrocities. For that I must say yimach schmo to that animal.

Rush is the only talk show host who addresses Feminism.

He is therefore the only mainstream host who attempts to tell it like it is.

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2008, 05:58:24 PM »
I've heard Savage slam feminism many times brother.  I just disagree with him on the "Palestinians", Islam, "Evolution" and the worth of a PhD.   :)
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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2008, 06:04:07 PM »
What a shock.  I just tuned on to Savage and he's off tonight. 

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Re: Michael WIENER poll
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2008, 06:55:43 PM »
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