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Choudhury, a real life hero
Shoaib Choudhury dares to defy the party line of hatred towards Israel and contempt for all religions other than Islam. He may be executed for those beliefs soon.

By Lori Lowenthal Marcus

There lives in Dhaka one of the elusive souls for whom most of the world, or at least most Western politicians, have been searching: a true Islam-loving moderate Muslim who believes in brotherhood among all religions and respect for all nations by all nations. Unfortunately, it is possible that this priceless and endangered species may soon become extinct.

At least since September 11, 2001, world and communal leaders have been touting the virtues of the “moderate Muslims.” The express or implicit message is always that Islam has been hijacked by aberrant radicals but if we look to, nurture and promote the moderate Muslims, all will be well with the world.

I’ve found a moderate Muslim, one who loves his religion and sincerely believes and steadfastly writes about his dreams for respect and understanding amongst all the great religions of the world. His name is Sallah Udin Shoaib Choudhury. He may well be executed for those beliefs soon.

This Bangladeshi Muslim journalist dares to defy the party line of hatred towards Israel and contempt for all religions other than Islam. Not only does he write about the need for communication and understanding among Muslims, Christians and Jews in his newspaper The Weekly Blitz, but he dared to accept an invitation to attend and speak at a writers’ conference in Israel. The topic of the conference was “Education Towards a Culture of Peace.” On November 29, 2003, as he was about to board the plane in Dhaka on his way to that conference, Shoaib was dragged from the tarmac and arrested. His crime? He violated Bangladesh’s Passport Act which forbids citizens from visiting countries such as Israel, with which it has no diplomatic relations. That law typically carries a fine of $8. What he found out the next day, however, when the magistrate announced it in court, was that he was accused of being a “spy for Israel.”


After his arrest Shoaib was taken to a Dhaka prison. While there, Shoaib had both of his legs broken with hockey sticks, he was interrogated incessantly and he was incarcerated in solitary confinement in a section of the prison otherwise populated with the criminally insane. He still vividly recalls hearing the screams of those prisoners which sometimes went on for hours. While Shoaib rotted in prison he was refused treatment for his glaucoma, as a result of which his vision remains impaired. His wardens even refused to allow him to go to his own mother’s funeral.

His captors wanted him to confess to being a Zionist spy. He refused. His body was broken but, in his own words, his “spirit was not.”

After 17 months Shoaib was finally released on bail. A frontline warrior in this victory was Dr. Richard Benkin. Benkin met Shoaib on the internet through their shared dreams for interfaith understanding. From the moment they connected, Benkin has ceaselessly fought for justice for Shoaib — he has traveled to Bangladesh to be there during fruitless hearings, he has hounded the media and the US government to protect this righteous journalist from further imprisonment, torture, and perhaps death. Benkin frequently says of his dear friend, “If Shoaib Choudhury was in Europe during the Shoah, he would have refused to drive the trains!”

Benkin enlisted Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Il.) who has tirelessly and sincerely endeavored to bring Shoaib’s case to light, and to shelter him with everything in the US arsenal of diplomacy.

Despite those efforts, on September 18, 2006, the Bangladesh government ordered Shoaib to stand trial for sedition. The charges, as read to Shoaib by Judge Md. Momin Ullah on November 13, 2006, informed him that he “made offensive comments on [the] Muslim world, Islam and Muslims in Bangladesh and commented about the existence of al Qaeda and other Islamist militant groups, by which you have tarnished the image of Bangladesh in the outside world.” Such sedition is punishable by death.


Finally, after years of delay coupled with repeated government-backed episodes of intimidation, brutal attacks and the repeated ransacking of his newspaper’s offices, the case against Shoaib Choudhury began on August 6, 2008.

Frankly, Shoaib’s story sounded to me like an apocryphal tale: one told to demonstrate a point, not one describing a real human being. Could there really be someone who matches the icon of “moderate Muslim” all politicians and most human beings have spoken about, yet had heretofore evaded discovery?

As I discovered over time, through correspondence and long personal conversations, Shoaib is the real thing. In a world encased in murderous rage generated in the name of Islam, his is a clear soul animated by the love that comes from his understanding of his religion. And that love pierces the wariness and even hatred against Islam that so many other practitioners of his religion have created.

I watched as this man, a bizarrely buoyant individual with short dark hair and large dark-tinted glasses, spoke to a living room full of Philadelphians, answering questions, even mean-spirited ones, with complete candor and equanimity. I sat at a table with him in my own backyard as he continued talking amiably about his life and dreams. And my eyes crinkled when he spontaneously burst into a syncopated song along with table-thumping and hand movements. My 12-year-old daughter was enchanted and recorded the performance on her camera.

But for a glimpse into the rarified soul of Shoaib Choudhury, hear what I heard when he answered two very obvious questions he fields wherever he goes.

The first question is — why he doesn’t seek political asylum and get out of Bangladesh as soon as possible? His answer — I heard it with my own ears — is that if he were to leave, what kind of message would that send to his many silent supporters who want him to succeed, who want greater freedom and broader understanding, but who fear speaking out themselves. He says he won’t abandon those people and leave them without any hope.

The second question I not only heard with my own ears, but felt right through my heart. When asked whether he was afraid that he was going to get killed, he said: “Look, everyone is going to die. The only issue is what you do while you are alive.” And what he is doing is trumpeting his message, educating toward a world culture of peace. Imagine a world in which people like this were lionized instead of victimized, if they became world-renowned and lauded instead of being threatened and hounded.

Whether Shoaib Choudhury will be given a forum in which to speak and educate all citizens of his sublime worldview remains a question. The Islamic fundamentalists who, in Shoaib’s conception of the universe pervert their religion and use it as a tool to oppress and even murder all those who disagree with their worldview, have imprisoned him, tortured him, threatened his children and threaten to kill him. If they remain steadfast in their position, Shoiab will be silenced forever.

So the next time you hear people use that catchy phrase, “moderate Muslim,” ask them what they have done to help Shoaib Choudhury. Tell his story if they don’t know it. Help us keep this world-class, extremely precious treasure as a living teacher, rather than a martyred memory. Do what you can to make sure the wrongly-punished are freed, and the wrongly-free are punished. For information on what you can do to help Shoaib, go to www.boycottbangladesh.org. And please send him a note of encouragement through his Weekly Blitz website, www.weeklyblitz.net .

Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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Offline nopeaceforland

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Moderate Muslim? Isn't that an oxymoron? ie Smart Shvug or truthful politician or painless dentist etc... :::D

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or Microsoft Works

or (my personal favourite) "now, then"

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Mord, I would take the moderate out of that post, it contradicts our whole ajenda. Great post though!! Just proves us right.
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I feel sorry for him.  People that are born into islam do not have a chance.  They are dead before they even live.

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There are many moderate muslims, who are peaceful, and want to live peaceful, prosperous lives.  They don't want any part of honor killings, and would not kill Christians and Jews who do not convert to Islam.  I actually conversed with one on www.danielpipes.org

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"Moderate Muslims" are mostly a ruse, in genuine cases then they're not really following Islam. Islam is a religion of death. You can't be a Muslim and a moderate.

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Moderate Muslim? Isn't that an oxymoron? ie Smart Shvug or truthful politician or painless dentist etc... :::D
or a peaceful muslim  :::D
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If someone wants to call himself Muslim and is peacefull, why saying it is imposible. Perhaps the Koran would not recognise a peacefull man as a Muslim but... how do we know if other religions in their original forms accepted peacefull adherents?

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The most important thing to keep in mind while evaluating this article is to ask whether it is Choudhury who doesn't understand Islam or the so called 'radicals' that don't understand Islam.

The painful truth about Islam is that Osama Bin Laden is not a 'radical' Muslim. Osama Bin Laden might very well be named 'most popular Muslim' if a poll was to be taken in the Islamic world. Muslims like Choudhury would be roundly, almost universally, condemned by fellow Muslims.

What arrogance is displayed by Westerners who have the audacity to tell a billion Muslims that they don't understand Islam ! Of course, it is painfully obvious that it is those Westerners who maintain that 'islam is a religion of peace, hijacked by a few radicals' that are the astoundingly clueless ones, devoid of any understanding of Islam !

Do not allow articles such as this one to lull us into complacency or fool ourselves that Islam can be reformed. Choudhury deserves our sympathy, but even if he is released, there is still no hope of changing the basic nature of Islam. Islam demands genocidal jihad against all non-Muslims, when forced conversion and total subjugation can not be achieved. That is the bottom line, and it will never change. Muslims that follow this Koranic mandate understand Islam perfectly well.

The author of this article states: "In a world encased in murderous rage generated in the name of Islam, his is a clear soul animated by the love that comes from his understanding of his religion."

Unfortunately for Choudhury, his understanding of Islam is wrong, and more importantly, his understanding of Islam is totally rejected by almost all Muslims. There is a good chance his misunderstanding will cost him his life.

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Sad story of being surrounded by butchers! His country may be in need of another expedition.
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If someone wants to call himself Muslim and is peacefull, why saying it is imposible. Perhaps the Koran would not recognise a peacefull man as a Muslim but... how do we know if other religions in their original forms accepted peacefull adherents?

Exactly. How is that possible? Peace and Islam are not compatible.
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Peace and Islam are NOT COMPATIBLE.  THIS IS SO TRUE...I have talked to muslims who are very torn between the religion that is supposed to represent peace, and the scriptures, which tell them to kill those who do not accept Islam.  Alot of muslims are very devout in peace, praying, and living holy lives.  Once again, we see radicals ruining the prospects for peace.  What a shame the moderates cannot voice their opinions.  Rational thoughts should be discussed.  No one should have domination over others, because violence gives them that edge.   

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Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury
must be good.. He is mentioned on the site of the great sheikh professor dr abdul hadi palazzi of the islammic cultural institute in italy
http://www.amislam.com/ (warning, islammic mosque style sounds on entering site. You may want to turn your speakers off)

funny though how there are so few , only a handful LITERALLY, that the decent pro israel anti terrorist muslims or arabs are famous and associated with each other!
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There is no such thign as a pro-Israeli muslim.. It is all a sham..  Muslims who are pro-Israeli are kaffirs and would have their head cut off if they ever spoke about this to any real, "religious" muslim.   If you are a Muslim, the rock will say, "Oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind the rock, Kill Him!"  And the Muslim must obey, "JIhad for Allah!".    Of course, we have Jews who spend time with Palestinians, hating Israel and other JEws kicking Jews from their homes to give the land to lazy, smelly sand negros..  SHould we call these people Jews?

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There is no such thign as a pro-Israeli muslim..

I would say that somebody that believes the quran and hadith and knows it and believes mohammed is a prophet, .. and says he is a muslim, is a muslim.

full stop, or as you say in america.  "period".

I don't see you able to go very philosophical on this, but that may not be such a problem..

You could say that you think Sheikh Palazzi is a bad muslim misinterpreting his religious texts! This is what he would say of the billions of muslims, and what they would say of him.

I learnt the following idea from Walid Shoebat, an ex muslim who knows islam well and personally thinks islam is not a religion of peace, in its core text, and he has said so. But, he says, what is important is the REALITY OF ISLAM, which is that 99.99% are against israel. The more religious, the more against.

Furthermore, most non-muslims, even leftists, would consider the islam of mohammed to be not peaceful. And that's obviously true islam.

note- one could say that they won't take a position 'cos it's a religious position on the quran and hadith, to interpret one way or the other "the true" interpretation. In a sense, there is no true interpretation because it's not truth. But the intention is obviously anti-jewish.  There are of course interpretations that render passages ineffective/theoretical/not applicable by narrowing the interpretation.

 

Of course, we have Jews who spend time with Palestinians, hating Israel and other JEws kicking Jews from their homes to give the land to lazy, smelly sand negros..  SHould we call these people Jews?

Unfortunately, many of them are jews. But that's different. You are confusing way too many issues there.  You know the definition of a jew, right?


 
It is all a sham..  Muslims who are pro-Israeli are kaffirs and would have their head cut off if they ever spoke about this to any real, "religious" muslim.   

must be a really silly sham.

If you are a Muslim, the rock will say, "Oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind the rock, Kill Him!"  And the Muslim must obey, "JIhad for Allah!".   

You are quoting hadith, and it looks like you added that sentence at the end!!!!!

Nevertheless, it does seem that this is part of a jihad that they should obey.

here are the hadith that call for Jews to be killed


Note-
HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981-6985]
is very specifically DELETED! from here
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html
notice that range is removed.

Here are a list of hadith and references on this subject of the jew tree and related subjects.

extracted from
http://bennauro.blogspot.com/2008/03/uk-state-schools-should-be-forced-to.html
(useful simply because it had them listed with references)

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are): "There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


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I made a quick post, I was not going into a deep philosophical analysis of Islam, but I have researched enough and read parts of the Quorap to know what its message is.  It is a book full of contradictions too.  Really, the book is senseless and put together by a group of people with an elementary school-like education, which was probably far advanced than most arab dirt farmers/caravan raiders had at the time.  Well, it is true there is a few scriptures in the Quorap that say love Jews, etc,etc.  Of course, there are far many more contradicting scriptures that say behead the Jew, wipe out the murderers of Jesus and those who rebelled against Moshe, etc etc.    My brother speaks fluent Hebrew, Arabic and Farsi and has read the Quorap in Arabic and parts in Farsi.  He has a very cold white look on his face when he tells me about this hedonistic book.  He says he cannot believe anyone would follow such a primitive and barbaric book like this.  I am told when you read it in Arabic you can acquire a deeper emotional meaning to the writings than from an English translation.  He says the book has a propensity to exploit very vicious, violent and racist meanings in the types of words or phrases used in various scriputres. These may not be able to understand by reading translations from islamic authors.  Many Quoraps today have watered down from their original versions written by the so-called scribes of the so-called prophet.

This is my favorite website about Islam, and it taught me many things about Islam.  It is hosted by an ex-Iranian musilm, named Ali Sina.  Personally, I don't know if the guy could have ever been a muslim with how much he thrases Islam and the numerous death threats he receives daily. This website I believe may be the most popular anti-Islam website on the internet and is banned in almost all islamic countries. 

www.faithfreedom.org   

They have good message board and entire Quorap with many commentaries from site members, I have not been on the site in while, but will have to journey back there soon.

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"moderate muslim"

That's like saying there are moderate nazis.

Muslims are required to kill infidels in their koran. People who don't follow the koran are infidels.

These idiots wouldn't know a death cult if it rammed a couple of planes into some Twin Towers. G-d forbid that iran builds those nukes. It's just total insanity.
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The expression "moderate muslim" is a really bad term to use for this great person.

Moderate muslims are not moderate. They just don't carry guns. They think israel is evil..   To the west, they say terrorism is wrong BUT
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I feel sorry for this guy. He is not a real Muslim.