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Targeting Civilian Areas During Wartime
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 20, 2008, 08:06:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on August 20, 2008, 07:32:31 PM ---Republic -right, except this "I do believe that Hashem will forgive us"
What is the sin? Its not a sin, infact it would be a Mitzva to do what is necessary to protect one's people agains't a hostile nation that wants to kill you. So in this aspect if it is done, then forgiveness is not needed because their is no sin.
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Tzvi,
I think he is referring to the innocent people killed... It is a mitzvah to kill those who rise to kill us, but each person must be judged. When they use human shields it makes it too difficult to determine who is the 'bad' guy and the good guy. So, inevitably, some innocent good people get killed.
Imagine that 2 terrorists are in a building which has 200 people in it. Is it justified to destroy the entire building, killing all 200 people, just to kill the 2 terrorists? This is an ethical dilemma.
muman613
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Tziv and Muman, both of you are correct too, especially Muman's point about 2 terrorists and 200 innocent civilians...it is indeed a ethical dilema. I want to defeat terrorism but the idea of innocents being killed is hard to think about for most people. Islam is evil and that we all agree on!
I still stand by my point regarding who's to blame....the Muslims are to blame for the innocent civilians dying. Some people may consider me a war monger, but this is not true. I don't like war at all, but I realize that in order to exist and have Peace, war is necessary. We must defeat evil.
Shalom from Dox
Shamgar:
I believe that in the Tanach there was a time when God instructed that all men, women, children and animals be destroyed, turning over every stone and salting the earth.
That is what it will take to destroy Islam.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 20, 2008, 08:06:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on August 20, 2008, 07:32:31 PM ---Republic -right, except this "I do believe that Hashem will forgive us"
What is the sin? Its not a sin, infact it would be a Mitzva to do what is necessary to protect one's people agains't a hostile nation that wants to kill you. So in this aspect if it is done, then forgiveness is not needed because their is no sin.
--- End quote ---
Tzvi,
I think he is referring to the innocent people killed... It is a mitzvah to kill those who rise to kill us, but each person must be judged. When they use human shields it makes it too difficult to determine who is the 'bad' guy and the good guy. So, inevitably, some innocent good people get killed.
Imagine that 2 terrorists are in a building which has 200 people in it. Is it justified to destroy the entire building, killing all 200 people, just to kill the 2 terrorists? This is an ethical dilemma.
muman613
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No it is NOT a dilemma. And if you are asking me if I believe it is right to do, or if I would do it? Absolutly. We need to stop worrying about the so-called innocent civilians. At a time of war, you are at war. And at war, you need to WIN. Winning consists of- destroying your enemy, and surviving (both as an individual and the collective that is part of your side).
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on August 20, 2008, 08:56:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 20, 2008, 08:06:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on August 20, 2008, 07:32:31 PM ---Republic -right, except this "I do believe that Hashem will forgive us"
What is the sin? Its not a sin, infact it would be a Mitzva to do what is necessary to protect one's people agains't a hostile nation that wants to kill you. So in this aspect if it is done, then forgiveness is not needed because their is no sin.
--- End quote ---
Tzvi,
I think he is referring to the innocent people killed... It is a mitzvah to kill those who rise to kill us, but each person must be judged. When they use human shields it makes it too difficult to determine who is the 'bad' guy and the good guy. So, inevitably, some innocent good people get killed.
Imagine that 2 terrorists are in a building which has 200 people in it. Is it justified to destroy the entire building, killing all 200 people, just to kill the 2 terrorists? This is an ethical dilemma.
muman613
--- End quote ---
No it is NOT a dilemma. And if you are asking me if I believe it is right to do, or if I would do it? Absolutly. We need to stop worrying about the so-called innocent civilians. At a time of war, you are at war. And at war, you need to WIN. Winning consists of- destroying your enemy, and surviving (both as an individual and the collective that is part of your side).
--- End quote ---
We must win this war at any cost...Islam is a Snake that is swallowing our World and we must cut it's head off! Civilians will die and we cannot do anything for them due to their connections to Islam and terrorists. That is why I feel we will not be blamed by G-d. The death of civilians was not our faults. The Muslims killed them by using them as shields in the first place. It is sad to see innocent people suffer and die but if this war is not won and the Muslims take over...this World will be one giant blood bath.
P.S. May G-d bless the United States of America and L' Chaim Yisrael !!!
Shalom from Dox
Zionistforever:
to be honest if you are harboring the enemy u are the enemy. by letting them stay in your home you are supporting the terrorists, targeting civilian areas where it is said there are many terrorists are all military causualties .
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