Interview with Richard Armitage Russia-Georgia conflict

[SerbChicago]

[SerbChicago]

This Kosovo crime will haunt us forever.  I hear the laughing of the evil Buchanus still in my ears. 

But it is obvious, that Condi and Bush are not behind this Ossetia/Georgia/Russia conflict. They are very angry at Saakaschwili. But in the moment they can't step him in the back.

I think Buchanus knows this very well, but he is no honest person, so he gives the America haters the catchwords, but only in form of a question, like snakes like him always do 

I don't think they did too but after what he did wasn't it better to distance them self from him and have good relationship with Russia which is crucial for America?!

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

[RanterMaximus]

I agree with C.F.  Oil and water just don't mix well together!

[DALMACIJA]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

Look we understand that you, who live in America, are surrounded with American propaganda.  I also understand why you are anti-Russian. That's logic since you support the US and the interests of the US above Russia's, that's logic.
I can not expect from you, who live in America, to be pro Russian and anti-American.
But you must also understand what Russia is doing in Georgia.
Nobody has the right to attack the Russians of Georgia. Russia will do everything to save it's people out side the Russian federation.

The US is provoking Russia by
- Supporting criminal and anti-Russian movements in Orthodox countries like Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia.
- Trying to convince Russia's neighboring nations to join the NATO
-  Applying for the establishment of the rocket missile system 200 km near Russia's borders. We must not forgot that America has illegally established military bases in Kosovo - Serbia.  They destroyed Yugoslavia by supporting the separatists and attacking the Serbs. After that was succeeded the US is trying to conduct the same process of collapsing in the Republic of Serbia.   

And now they want to continue to expand their influence towards the East?
Why so much attack against Orthodox nations?

Are we dealing with some kind of anti-Orthodox plan?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

There is no comparison between the Serbs and the Ossetians. One is a holy and sacred Christian nation that is under genocidal attack by all of the powers of the world combined. The other is a group of Marxist separatists who are being aided and abetted by an evil empire. The true analogy is between the GEORGIANS and the Serbs. The country that you support did absolutely nothing when NATO was committing genocide against Serbia in 1999 and nothing this spring when the bastard Nazi state of "Kosova" declared independence. Russia is helping the Iranian, Syrian, and Lebanese Muslim Nazis, who in turn help the Bosnians and Albanians in Europe. Wake up Serbs. Russia will never save you and does not care about you, and it is Serb reliance on Russia that has caused her so much harm in the past couple decades.

PS: The Georgians are Orthodox too. How do you explain that?

[DALMACIJA]

There is no comparison between the Serbs and the Ossetians. One is a holy and sacred Christian nation that is under genocidal attack by all of the powers of the world combined. The other is a group of Marxist separatists who are being aided and abetted by an evil empire.

Orthodox nations can not be Marxist anymore, not after all what has happened.
Marxism has it’s roots coming from the West and that evil red and undemocratic politic has no place on Orthodox soil anymore. To many Serbs and Russians have died because of communism and thank Heaven that that evil is gone.

This does not matter for you. Why are you concerned about Georgia?
If Kosovo Albanians can have their own sovereignty in Kosovo, why can not Russians have their own in Georgia? Why is America "worried" about the territorial integrity of Georgia? Like America supports the territorial integrity of other nations? Who is America to always accuse others? Are they the world's officers?

The country that you support did absolutely nothing when NATO was committing genocide against Serbia in 1999 and nothing this spring when the bastard Nazi state of "Kosova" declared independence.

Thats true and it is a shame. Maybe they should helped us.
But Russia could not start WW3 only because of Milosevic's politic. It is a difficult question. Russia is not recognizing the false state of Kosovo and they did not participate in the Western genocide over the Serbs in 1999.
You are proving my right, the enemy is the West and not Russia.

Russia is helping the Iranian, Syrian, and Lebanese Muslim Nazis, who in turn help the Bosnians and Albanians in Europe. Wake up Serbs. Russia will never save you and does not care about you, and it is Serb reliance on Russia that has caused her so much harm in the past couple decades.
PS: The Georgians are Orthodox too. How do you explain that?

Russia is also against the US who has organized the militant Moslims, all over the world, in the 90s and supported them to fight (alongside with the Croat-Muslim coallition) in Bosnia & Hercegovina against the Orthodox Serbs. The US supplied weapons to militant Moslims in the 80s and prepared and organized them to fight the Soviets. The US is more connected with militant Moslims than the Russian federation.

PS: The Georgians are Orthodox too. How do you explain that?

The US enjoys seeing Orthodox people fighting each others.
If the Russians were attacking an unorthodox nation than it would be different.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I am concerned for Georgia for the same reason that I am concerned about Serbia: it is a tiny, forgotten nation under genocidal attack. And it's an Orthodox nation also. What determines what Orthodox nations you support? It's not fair to say that just because the West supports Georgia (which as recent events show is all lip service, just like Russia's support for the Serbs in 1999), then Georgia is automatically the bad guy.

The Ossetians and the Russians who are helping them are STILL Marxists. The Ossetians are pro-Russian because they want economic aid (i.e. USSR socialism) and the privileges of Russian citizenship. There is nothing historical or ethnic about it. They aren't Muslims, but right now they are acting a lot like Muslims. Good Orthodox Christians don't take up arms and commit atrocities against fellow Orthodox.

Putin used to run the KGB and he is in the process of rebuilding the old USSR as we speak. Wake up. Russia STILL has nationalized industry, nationalized healthcare, central planning, and absolute dictatorial control. That sounds an awful lot like Soviet communism to me. As a citizen who cares about freedom and the right of small countries (like Israel, Serbia, Sri Lanka, and Georgia to exist, not just an American, I must oppose the savage ethnic cleansing that Russia is doing.

Chaimfan

PS: Yeltsin did not need to start WWIII to save Serbia. Just the presence of a couple of VVS fighters would have sent a message to the coward Clinton and NATO. Clinton was not like Putin is now; he would have backed down. The fact that he cared more about being in the good graces of the United States and Western Europe than saving his ethnic and religious brothers shows the kind of character that Russia has.

[DALMACIJA]

I am concerned for Georgia for the same reason that I am concerned about Serbia: it is a tiny, forgotten nation under genocidal attack. And it's an Orthodox nation also.

I think that you are more concerned about the international strategic possition of the US than about Georgia. Lets face it the Americans are concerned about their (cowboy) role in the world. But I can understand your pro American statement because you live in the USA and you are a loyal citizen of America. You want that America stays the strongest power of the world and that's why you are against Russia and China. I think that the control over the world must be balanced between the West (where you belong) and the East (where we Serbs belong). I am against the imperialism of America and the domination of Vatican's Europe. Your nation (America) has not right to exploit others.


Why the Serbs support Russia.

Look you maybe live in America but you are Jew not a protestant American.
In 1982, for the first time in history, the Pope attended the establishment of alliance with Protestant America: he created the Rome – Washington pact. Since that moment it was clear the America will support the Vatican and their plan to dominate with Europe. Pay attention to the fact that the US was in war with Vatican's Europe during WW1 and WW2. Instructed by the Vatican America started to attack, for the first time in history, the Serbs in 1991-1995 and in 1999. In the past the US was most times on the side of the Serbs. Everything had changed since1991/1992. Since the collapse of Yugoslavia, which was carried out by the US and EU, America became Serbia's enemy number one. You know good what America has done to the Serbs during the 20th century.
Today the EU & US have the same attitude towards the Serbs as Nazi Germany had - in 1941.

Our place in not among America or the West. Because there are our enemies located. 
Serbs should join the side of Russia and China, because these two nations are not damaging us. Nobody can say that Russia or China has the same attitude gainst Serbia like the US.

My questions to you:
- Why do not you condemn the NATO expansion towards the East and Russia, like you condemn the NATO occupation of Serbia? Think about the US missile system near Russia?
- Why do not you condemn the US/ Georgian ethnic cleansing over the Russian in Georgia, like you condemn the US/ Croatian ethnic cleansing against the Krajina Serbs -conducted in 1995?
- Why do you Americans hate Russia? You hated Communist Russia in the past?
But why hate towards today's Orthodox/ democratic Russia?
- If Kosovo Albanias have the right for their own sovereinty, why can not Russians in Ossetia have their own? 

[RationalThought110]

I understand that you dislike NATO.  However, just because Russia dislikes NATO doesn't mean that you should enthusiastically be supporting Russia.

[DALMACIJA]

I understand that you dislike NATO.  However, just because Russia dislikes NATO doesn't mean that you should enthusiastically be supporting Russia.

You are completly ignoring my, aove mentioned, arguments why the Serbs support Russia.
 

[DALMACIJA]

We are all comrades!

I not against Catholics, Protestants or other people.
We are all the descants of Adam.

We are all brothers by Adam. It does not matter which religion or nationality we have. But brothers can have some times divided opinios. We can not share 100% the same opinion.

Let's continue with this debate.

[RationalThought110]

You are completly ignoring my, aove mentioned, arguments why the Serbs support Russia.
 

"If Kosovo Albanias have the right for their own sovereinty, why can not Russians in Ossetia have their own?" 


So if you're against Kosova independence, shouldn't you also be against Ossetia independence? 

[DALMACIJA]

You are completly ignoring my, aove mentioned, arguments why the Serbs support Russia.
 

"If Kosovo Albanias have the right for their own sovereinty, why can not Russians in Ossetia have their own?" 


So if you're against Kosova independence, shouldn't you also be against Ossetia independence? 

First must the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Serbia be respected. Or does that only count for pro US countries?
America must leave Kosovo! They are not wanted on Kosovo. They only need Kosovo to sorround Russia.

1. I am against the false state of Kosovo because Kosovo was always Serbian territory. Kosovo is Serbia's Jerusalem. It is the source of our civilization.
2. Kosovo was recognized by America/EU - in 1995 during the Dayton agreement - as a Serbian province. America promised also to communist Milosevic in 1999 - according to the UN SC's resolution 1244 - that Kosovo will remain part of Serbia, after NATO's arrival on Kosovo. Today in 2008 America declares Kosovo independent?
Well, this says everything about America. They do not care about international rights or justice at all.

Can you compare Ossetia with Kosovo?
In Ossetia the pro US government of Georgia wanted to repeat the Croatian ethnic cleaning like conducted against Krajina Serbs. In 1995 communist Milosevic did not do anything to save the Krajina Serbs from Croatian fascim! Thank G-d that Russia is protecting its people!
Read this please:

[DALMACIJA]

I want to share this with you!

+ My question: Is it fair to attack the Ossetian Russians ?

- Anti-Russians propaganda anwser:
Yes, it is you must understand the rage of Georgia's government!


WHO HAD UNDERSTANDED MY THE RAGE?

When Croatia started to banish the Serbs from Croatian controlled areas
in 1991, was the Serbian rage/ resist understanded? Who understanded us when we protected our selves from the 3d genocide, which was prepared against us, in the 20th century?

"You must understand their rage!"
We are not buying this anymore!

[syyuge]

You are completly ignoring my, aove mentioned, arguments why the Serbs support Russia.
 

"If Kosovo Albanias have the right for their own sovereinty, why can not Russians in Ossetia have their own?" 


So if you're against Kosova independence, shouldn't you also be against Ossetia independence? 

So if Kosovo's so-called independence is abolished, then the Ossetia's so-called independence shall also be abolished.

Initiation of circular acts may lead to circular logic's.

[spiritus_persona]

Russia is only interested in power, wealth, and land.  Russia doesn't care about the Serbs or South Ossetia or anything else unless it benefits from it.  You can't trust the Russian bear, because they have an ulterior motive for everything.

[t_h_j]

Russia is only interested in power, wealth, and land.  Russia doesn't care about the Serbs or South Ossetia or anything else unless it benefits from it.  You can't trust the Russian bear, because they have an ulterior motive for everything.

if thats the case, then why didn't they march on tblisi a week ago?

[syyuge]

Russia is only interested in power, wealth, and land.  Russia doesn't care about the Serbs or South Ossetia or anything else unless it benefits from it.  You can't trust the Russian bear, because they have an ulterior motive for everything.

if thats the case, then why didn't they march on tblisi a week ago?

Problem is that if Russia does not marches on Tbilisi, some body else will.

The relations between Georgia and Russia have deteriorated to such an extreme extent that @ when in the end Russia joins together with battered Nato & USA, then Georgia may be leaving Nato to join the advancing evil combination of Red Dragon, False Prophet & pak666.

[judeanoncapta]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

Look we understand that you, who live in America, are surrounded with American propaganda.  I also understand why you are anti-Russian. That's logic since you support the US and the interests of the US above Russia's, that's logic.
I can not expect from you, who live in America, to be pro Russian and anti-American.
But you must also understand what Russia is doing in Georgia.
Nobody has the right to attack the Russians of Georgia. Russia will do everything to save it's people out side the Russian federation.

The US is provoking Russia by
- Supporting criminal and anti-Russian movements in Orthodox countries like Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia.
- Trying to convince Russia's neighboring nations to join the NATO
-  Applying for the establishment of the rocket missile system 200 km near Russia's borders. We must not forgot that America has illegally established military bases in Kosovo - Serbia.  They destroyed Yugoslavia by supporting the separatists and attacking the Serbs. After that was succeeded the US is trying to conduct the same process of collapsing in the Republic of Serbia.   

And now they want to continue to expand their influence towards the East?
Why so much attack against Orthodox nations?

Are we dealing with some kind of anti-Orthodox plan?

I think one of the main problems facing the former Soviet republics is that the borderlines are so arbitrary and are not divided on racial or ethnic lines.

There might be a new fight between Russia and the Ukraine over the Crimea.

The Crimea is russian. The only reason it is part of the Ukraine is because Kruschev wanted to give a bone to his home province.

There may be nuclear war over an area that never should have been part of Ukraine.

I don't like Russia and I think they are evil for arming the Muslims. But I couldn't care less if they take over the Crimea or other parts of the surrounding republics with Russian majorities.

It may be illegal according to international law. But it is not worth going to nuclear war over.

[P J C]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

Look we understand that you, who live in America, are surrounded with American propaganda.  I also understand why you are anti-Russian. That's logic since you support the US and the interests of the US above Russia's, that's logic.
I can not expect from you, who live in America, to be pro Russian and anti-American.
But you must also understand what Russia is doing in Georgia.
Nobody has the right to attack the Russians of Georgia. Russia will do everything to save it's people out side the Russian federation.

The US is provoking Russia by
- Supporting criminal and anti-Russian movements in Orthodox countries like Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia.
- Trying to convince Russia's neighboring nations to join the NATO
-  Applying for the establishment of the rocket missile system 200 km near Russia's borders. We must not forgot that America has illegally established military bases in Kosovo - Serbia.  They destroyed Yugoslavia by supporting the separatists and attacking the Serbs. After that was succeeded the US is trying to conduct the same process of collapsing in the Republic of Serbia.   

And now they want to continue to expand their influence towards the East?
Why so much attack against Orthodox nations?

Are we dealing with some kind of anti-Orthodox plan?

Russia is provoking the United States by

-Fubnding Iran nuclear program

-Conquering sovereign democratic allies

-Launching Air studs near OUR coast

RUSSIA CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE JUSTIFIED FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!

[t_h_j]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

Look we understand that you, who live in America, are surrounded with American propaganda.  I also understand why you are anti-Russian. That's logic since you support the US and the interests of the US above Russia's, that's logic.
I can not expect from you, who live in America, to be pro Russian and anti-American.
But you must also understand what Russia is doing in Georgia.
Nobody has the right to attack the Russians of Georgia. Russia will do everything to save it's people out side the Russian federation.

The US is provoking Russia by
- Supporting criminal and anti-Russian movements in Orthodox countries like Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia.
- Trying to convince Russia's neighboring nations to join the NATO
-  Applying for the establishment of the rocket missile system 200 km near Russia's borders. We must not forgot that America has illegally established military bases in Kosovo - Serbia.  They destroyed Yugoslavia by supporting the separatists and attacking the Serbs. After that was succeeded the US is trying to conduct the same process of collapsing in the Republic of Serbia.   

And now they want to continue to expand their influence towards the East?
Why so much attack against Orthodox nations?

Are we dealing with some kind of anti-Orthodox plan?

Russia is provoking the United States by

-Fubnding Iran nuclear program

-Conquering sovereign democratic allies

-Launching Air studs near OUR coast

RUSSIA CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE JUSTIFIED FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!

remind me as to what sovereign democratic ally russia "conquered"?

[P J C]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

Look we understand that you, who live in America, are surrounded with American propaganda.  I also understand why you are anti-Russian. That's logic since you support the US and the interests of the US above Russia's, that's logic.
I can not expect from you, who live in America, to be pro Russian and anti-American.
But you must also understand what Russia is doing in Georgia.
Nobody has the right to attack the Russians of Georgia. Russia will do everything to save it's people out side the Russian federation.

The US is provoking Russia by
- Supporting criminal and anti-Russian movements in Orthodox countries like Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia.
- Trying to convince Russia's neighboring nations to join the NATO
-  Applying for the establishment of the rocket missile system 200 km near Russia's borders. We must not forgot that America has illegally established military bases in Kosovo - Serbia.  They destroyed Yugoslavia by supporting the separatists and attacking the Serbs. After that was succeeded the US is trying to conduct the same process of collapsing in the Republic of Serbia.   

And now they want to continue to expand their influence towards the East?
Why so much attack against Orthodox nations?

Are we dealing with some kind of anti-Orthodox plan?

Russia is provoking the United States by

-Fubnding Iran nuclear program

-Conquering sovereign democratic allies

-Launching Air studs near OUR coast

RUSSIA CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE JUSTIFIED FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!

remind me as to what sovereign democratic ally russia "conquered"?

You mean CONQUERING.

[t_h_j]

Better than a Fag Buchanus article, but still the same Russian propaganda. The West and Russia will never have a good relationship, no matter what. Democrats (meaning people who believe in democracy, not members of the party) and tyrants will never be able to live side by side any more than Muslims and infidels will.

Look we understand that you, who live in America, are surrounded with American propaganda.  I also understand why you are anti-Russian. That's logic since you support the US and the interests of the US above Russia's, that's logic.
I can not expect from you, who live in America, to be pro Russian and anti-American.
But you must also understand what Russia is doing in Georgia.
Nobody has the right to attack the Russians of Georgia. Russia will do everything to save it's people out side the Russian federation.

The US is provoking Russia by
- Supporting criminal and anti-Russian movements in Orthodox countries like Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia.
- Trying to convince Russia's neighboring nations to join the NATO
-  Applying for the establishment of the rocket missile system 200 km near Russia's borders. We must not forgot that America has illegally established military bases in Kosovo - Serbia.  They destroyed Yugoslavia by supporting the separatists and attacking the Serbs. After that was succeeded the US is trying to conduct the same process of collapsing in the Republic of Serbia.   

And now they want to continue to expand their influence towards the East?
Why so much attack against Orthodox nations?

Are we dealing with some kind of anti-Orthodox plan?

Russia is provoking the United States by

-Fubnding Iran nuclear program

-Conquering sovereign democratic allies

-Launching Air studs near OUR coast

RUSSIA CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE JUSTIFIED FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!

remind me as to what sovereign democratic ally russia "conquered"?

You mean CONQUERING.

no, not conquering.  If they really wanted georgia, they would have taken it weeks ago.  It is apparent they don't want it.