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Why we Serbs should support Russia
« on: August 25, 2008, 10:52:37 AM »
Serbs read this please:

South Ossetia was always Russian territory!
The communists had annexed this Russian territory to Georgia! South Ossetia was before the communist rule part of Tsarist Russia! After the evil forces of the world had launched communism in 1917 in Russia, Russia lost many of it's historical and national territories!
The same anti-Orthodox policy was in operation in Serbia.
Serb national and historical territories were given to Croatia - in 1945!
The communists had also established several preconditions in order to surrender Kosovo to the Albanians? The communists had established regional communist committees for Croatia, Slovenia,  Serbia, Vojvodina and Kosovo! You see how they were breaking Serbia apart? For them Vojvodina and Kosovo were never Serbian!
During communism Vojvodina/ Kosovo had for the first time in history its own representation/ parliament?

Do you understand what's going on, my Serbs? We Orthodox people (Russians and Serbs) were fooled by those communists!

Think about this: who was benefited by the anti-Orthodox policy of the communists? Think about that !

Do we Serbs and Russians have the right to remove these consequences coming from the communist period? Yes of course!
That is exactly what Putin is doing in Russia! He is restoring Russia!
Serbs should also join this anti-communist policy!

That's why we must support Russia.
Russia is not only defending it's people but also removing the consequences of communism!

Secondly,

In Serbia the pro Western front, which receives direct instructions from the NATO, supports the pro EU regime in Georgia! See which kind of people are anti-Russian in Serbia!
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 10:57:48 AM »





Serbian hero jailed by NATO.
Support Radovan Karadzic.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 11:10:08 AM »
What have Georgia and Serbia in common ?

How stands behind this all?


Georgia 




Serbia

Watch out for these kind of governments!
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 11:13:46 AM »
Read and see Serbs:

Titile: what Serbia and Georgia have in common!

http://blog.srpskinacionalisti.com/2008/08/srbija-i-gruzija/#more-54

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 01:49:39 PM »
You are supporting Russia because you believe it would benefit Serbia. However trying to justify the morality of Russian aggression against Georgia is ridiculous. History hadn't begun in 1917...
The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 02:14:56 PM »
You are supporting Russia because you believe it would benefit Serbia.

We say that Russia is also protecting its people outsite the territory of the Russian federation.

.However trying to justify the morality of Russian aggression against Georgia is ridiculous. History hadn't begun in 1917...

I can give you many examples of real aggression - which was conducted by real aggressors. We all know who started to attack the Russian peace keepers in south Ossetia and what the consequences could be of a Georgian (foreign) occupation of Ossetia. I as a Krajina Serb can not support induviduals who want to conduct the actions which can be compared with Croatia's action of 1995.

. History hadn't begun in 1917...

The story behind 1917 is a long story.
If you want I can give you some articles about that subject.

The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.


Comrade,

You believe also that Krajina was part of Croatia's kingdom?
 You think that America and her allies are your allies. Thats why you believe their "history".
You can support America everybody has a free will. I am not attacking you because of your support of America. I understand why you support the US.

I am not from those areas(Ossetia), but I am descovering new things!
These stories come from the same source which is also telling the world that the Serbs were not present at the Balkans before 600! You see that is realy ridiculous!
Based on false history someboy justifise attacks against certain nations. 
The crimes against Serbia were also justified with "historical" "facts".
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 03:20:43 PM »
The difference between you and me is that when Israel, or America, or whatever  is wrong, I admit that, whereas you will not admit that Russia is ever wrong, at most you are going to blame the communist.

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 03:48:06 PM »
The difference between you and me is that when Israel, or America, or whatever  is wrong, I admit that, whereas you will not admit that Russia is ever wrong, at most you are going to blame the communist.

They were wrong. They, the Russians, and we the Serbs were very, very wrong.
But they both have paid a huge prize for that and of course I admit that Russia was ruled by a evil regime during the period 1917-1989.

The Russians have killed their Tzar and his relatives! They were instructed by a foreign power, but they could have rejected and overpowered every foreign intention and attack - if they were united and 100% loyal to Orthodoxism. Not all Russians were communists, but all communists, in Russia, were mostly (brainwashed) Russians.

Serb Partisans were not different. Those two nations were so naive. I feel sorry for them! They have suffered so much!
Look at the Serb communists. They expelled their own king in order to gain a leader like Tito? That is a crime against your own nation. They betrayed their own king and fatherland and they chose for the anti-Orthodox option! Not all the Serbs were communists but all the communists at the Balkans were Serbs! The Serbs were the most fanatic communists at the Balkans! Their hatered against Orthodox-Serb civilization was not much different then the hatered of the Ustasha's (Croatians fascists). They, the Serb Partizans, have fanatically participated in the crimes against the Serbs (who were loyal to the king and fatherland) and they were also responsible for the destruction of many Serbian churches!

The Serb communists did not act different than the Croatian fascists.
The Croatian fascists had tortured and killed Serb children, women and men.
They, communist Serbs, mostly killed only respected Serb males - who were loyal to the king and fatherland. That is the only difference between Croatian fascists and Serb communists.

I can tell you what communist Serbs did to people like me who were pro Orthodox and nationalistic!
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 08:02:56 PM »
Did you hear Chaim say that it's a mistake for Serbs to solely rely on Russia for support?

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 04:10:18 PM »
Did you hear Chaim say that it's a mistake for Serbs to solely rely on Russia for support?

I respect you and your support to us, the Serbs.
I really appreciate it.

I also respect Russia. Russia’s people were the only volunteers who came to Krajina, in 1991, and to Bosnia and Hercegovina, in 1992, to fight alongside with their Serb Orthodox Christian brothers against the Croat-Muslim coalition which was supported by the US and the EU. I did not see other people fighting against Croatian fascism in 1991 in Yugoslavia!

We saw Nazi oriented Europeans standing on Croatia's side and proclaiming that they are helping their Aryan relatives in the war against the communist Serbs!

Further, we Serbs always had the same enemies and the same friends!
We know who our traditional and historical allies and enemies are.
 
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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2008, 04:32:25 PM »
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.

Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 06:21:40 PM »
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.


Oo how i wish this could be true.
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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2008, 09:15:13 PM »
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.
This sounds logical if they hadn't lost their balls by then due to the massive dumbing down an "socializing" of their nations which allowed the Mohammadan invasion to begin in the first place.

As for the Russia and Georgia issue, I cannot side with Russia for the reason I hate Communists to which I'd love to see Georgia's independance BUT, I am absolutely disgusted with Georgia's embracement of "Globalism", "Multi-Culturalism", "Diversity" and all the other ineptitudes that have distroyed Europe and are killing off the West for their sole desire to become a tin pot "ally" of the Establisment.

This is about Oil and the fact that America will use them up and spit them out as soon as the Establisment sees fit.  Russia, due to this being in their sphere of the World has more justification to intercede with American Establisment plans to coax Georgia into their "globalist" plan.  Far more than America and Iraq...

.....I stand divided on this issue.  I just hope it turns into a World War where the righteous Americans, Brits, Canadians, Israelis etc. use the opportunity to not only cleanse their nations of the Mohammadan, Turd World, Communist and animalistic drek but the World. 

I'm of the opinion that America shouldn't have wasted both bombs on Japan but should have chosen their targets more wisely.  One on Tokyo and the other on Moscow....
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 03:28:51 AM »
.....I stand divided on this issue.  I just hope it turns into a World War where the righteous Americans, Brits, Canadians, Israelis etc. use the opportunity to not only cleanse their nations of the Mohammadan, Turd World, Communist and animalistic drek but the World

I'm of the opinion that America shouldn't have wasted both bombs on Japan but should have chosen their targets more wisely.  One on Tokyo and the other on Moscow....

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 03:42:27 AM »
.....I stand divided on this issue.  I just hope it turns into a World War where the righteous Americans, Brits, Canadians, Israelis etc. use the opportunity to not only cleanse their nations of the Mohammadan, Turd World, Communist and animalistic drek but the World. 

How can you cleanse the whole world? Is the world yours?
Are you claiming that the US and her allies are the world's officers?
They do not have the right to conduct ethnic cleansing in other sovereign states.

We will not allow that the world's colonization powers, who are responsible for the biological extermination of the natives in America, Africa, Australia and New Sealand,
conduct ethnic cleansing on the territory of the Republic of Serbia. We did not allowed Hitler, in 1941, to collect the Yugoslav Jews in order to send them to German death camps. We will also not allow the today's European and overseas colonialpowers to cleanse even one citizen of the Republic of Serbia.   
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2008, 03:58:41 AM »
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.

Look what your Western allies is saying, I have quoted him, above, in red!

Serbs and Russians were, for centuries long, protecting "Christian" Europe from invaders from out side. It were the Serbs and the Russians who were responsible for the greatest anti-fascist actions which were conducted during WW2. Unfortunately we do not expect to receive "thanks you" from your side but, like "MarZutra" is proclaiming above, we deserve an A-tom in our houses!

Why would Serbia/ Russia give again blood for the West?

Look, we are prepared to inform you about the real happenings and the truth of Russia and former Yugoslavia. Obviously, you are totally walking on the wrong road. Above, on this topic, I read opinions which say the following:
-   We need WW3 in order to cleanse the whole world!
-   Russia, and her allies probably, must receive an A-bom.
 
This way of thinking, talking and acting is not good.
Be also informed that I am expressing my self diplomatically, moderated, at this moment. I have heard to much!

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2008, 08:52:27 AM »
How can you cleanse the whole world? Is the world yours?No, but it is for the "righteous" and moral people of each Nation, in my opinion, and not their "globalist", "enlightened" and/or Jihadist enemies.
Are you claiming that the US and her allies are the world's officers? Absolutely. The Establisment, even since the days of the British Empire were acting as the "World's Police".  Heck even Canada, a non-entity, loves to delve into other nations internal politics...  Often America has been charged, labeled and critized as "the Word's Police Man"...  This is all a part of the Socialist World Order headed by the Anglo-American Establishment - a book by Clinton's mentor Caroll Quigley... ;)
They do not have the right to conduct ethnic cleansing in other sovereign states.Of course they have no right but through molested media, contorted "facts", and further fabrications touting their aganda...they can and will move: The Iraq War is one when every fact dictated to bomb the Hell out of Saudi Arabia or Iran...not Iraq and some dirt piles on Afghanistan..

We will not allowed that the world's colonization powers, who are responsible for the biological extermination of the natives in America, Africa, Australia and New Sealand, This position I question as it is a very simplistic and guided statement brother...conduct ethnic cleansing on the territory of the Republic of Serbiathis portion I emphatically agree with...as it has been factualized by the Clinton Admin, with aid from both Russia, Britian: NATO and Germany..my sympathies are with you.... We did not allowed Hitler, in 1941, to collect the Yugoslav Jews in order to send them to German death camps. We will also not allowed the today's European and overseas colonialpowers to cleanse even one citizen of the Republic of Serbia.This I agree with but unfortunately Serbia like soon to be Georgia is an "Ally" of the Establishment and not the West persay.  The Establishment will swallow up Georgia's, like Serbia's, usefulness and spit them out/abandon them.....  This is the outcome of the Establisment's push to a New World Socialist Order....imo...

and NO I'm not Nik.... ;)
   
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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2008, 02:17:04 PM »
The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.
have you got arguments to prove that?

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2008, 03:00:35 PM »
The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.
have you got arguments to prove that?

This is taken from Wikipedia, and if you don't trust it, sorry I am not going to do the research myself since honestly this part of the world is of little concern to me as long as the Muslim aren't involved.
http://www.answers.com/topic/south-ossetia
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History

Medieval and early modern period

The Ossetians are originally descendants of Iranian-speaking tribes from Central Asia. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian influence. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don river in present-day Russia and part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia[9] where they formed three distinct territorial entities. Digor in the west came under the influence of the neighboring Kabard people, who introduced Islam. Tualläg in the south became what is now South Ossetia, part of the historical Georgian principality of Samachablo[10] where Ossetians found refuge from Mongol invaders. Iron in the north became what is now North Ossetia, under Russian rule from 1767. Most Ossetians are now Christian (approximately 61%); there is also a significant Muslim minority.

South Ossetia under Russia and the Soviet Union

The modern-day South Ossetia was annexed by Russia in 1801, along with Georgia proper, and absorbed into the Russian Empire. Following the Russian Revolution, South Ossetia became a part of the Menshevik Georgian Democratic Republic, while the north became a part of the Terek Soviet Republic. The area saw brief clashes between the Georgian governmental forces and Ossetians led by Ossetian and Georgian bolsheviks in 1920. The Soviet Georgian government established by the Russian 11th Red Army in 1921, created the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast (i.e. district) in April 1922. Although the Ossetians had their own language (Ossetian), Russian and Georgian were administrative/state languages.[11] At present, Russian is the only administrative language[citation needed] used by the separatist government in Tskhinvali. In the Soviet time, under the rule of Georgia's government, it enjoyed some degree of autonomy, including to practice (Ossetian) language and teach it in schools.[12]

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2008, 04:08:09 PM »
How can you cleanse the whole world? Is the world yours?No, but it is for the "righteous" and moral people of each Nation, in my opinion, and not their "globalist", "enlightened" and/or Jihadist enemies.
Are you claiming that the US and her allies are the world's officers? Absolutely. The Establisment, even since the days of the British Empire were acting as the "World's Police".  Heck even Canada, a non-entity, loves to delve into other nations internal politics...  Often America has been charged, labeled and critized as "the Word's Police Man"...  This is all a part of the Socialist World Order headed by the Anglo-American Establishment - a book by Clinton's mentor Caroll Quigley... ;)
They do not have the right to conduct ethnic cleansing in other sovereign states.Of course they have no right but through molested media, contorted "facts", and further fabrications touting their aganda...they can and will move: The Iraq War is one when every fact dictated to bomb the Hell out of Saudi Arabia or Iran...not Iraq and some dirt piles on Afghanistan..

We will not allowed that the world's colonization powers, who are responsible for the biological extermination of the natives in America, Africa, Australia and New Sealand, This position I question as it is a very simplistic and guided statement brother...[/b]conduct ethnic cleansing on the territory of the Republic of Serbiathis portion I emphatically agree with...as it has been factualized by the Clinton Admin, with aid from both Russia, Britian: NATO and Germany..my sympathies are with you.... We did not allowed Hitler, in 1941, to collect the Yugoslav Jews in order to send them to German death camps. We will also not allowed the today's European and overseas colonialpowers to cleanse even one citizen of the Republic of Serbia.This I agree with but unfortunately Serbia like soon to be Georgia is an "Ally" of the Establishment and not the West persay.  The Establishment will swallow up Georgia's, like Serbia's, usefulness and spit them out/abandon them.....  This is the outcome of the Establisment's push to a New World Socialist Order....imo...

and NO I'm not Nik.... ;)
   

Inform your self about the history of your continent!

The plan of Europe’s colonization powers included also the organization of the biological extermination of the whole native population of North- South and Middle America, New Zealand, Australia and Africa. A famous German philosopher Karlheinz Deshner exposed these crimes in his book, entitled: ”The Politics of the Roman Popes during the 20 Century”.
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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2008, 05:48:22 PM »
if an atomic bomb has fallen on moscow,it would have been the end of america,russia europe and asia,and in the mean time the muslims would have just done they jihad here and there and voila,we have allahs europe...
And if america rulled the world,that wouldn't mean freedom or any [censored] like that,don't beging to fool ur self,in the end they would turn ppl in to oil(*cinical*)they would rapture the planet so the few ppl could live in unimaginable wealth while the rest of the planet suffered and died eventualy,if communist rulled the world(commys=capitalsts=nazis) the same thing would have happened,the last hope for human kind is for america to be defeted,and i personaly hope they destroy england aswell

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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2008, 07:12:21 PM »
Brother I know the history of my continant but you must realize that much of the "history" taught today is "history" anti-White "politically correct" revisionisms. 

There are cases of true ethnic cleansing, the Boeothuck of Newfoundland for example....but many, in the attempt to hate whitey have been totally molested.  Most of the active "cleansing" in the Americas were done via the Spanish while the opposite was under the English and the French wherever they could...unless there was a war...  If that be the case, the enemies lost... ;)
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 04:02:31 AM »
Brother I know the history of my continant but you must realize that much of the "history" taught today is "history" anti-White "politically correct" revisionisms. 


Haha. You made me really laugh! Anti-White? ? I am really laughing right now.
Nobody was trialed for the greatest crimes which took place in History! Neither was the colonial politic ever openly and honestly disapprove by the world's officers.
They are still accomplishing their colonial goals!
I say this society, on you continent, is pro white! Your media and society is only talking about so called  "crimes" of the Eastern nations! Nobody is condemning the horrible crimes of the European and overseas colonial powers - which are still active today! They are not as openly as during the middle ages, but they are still in operation.

It is obviously that you have problem with your guilty conscience.
The Western media was lying about the Serbs, in the 90, in order to wash the past of Nazi Catholic Europe and of Colonial Protestant America. American and European politicians were playing the roles of "heroes" while the "evil" Serbs were exterminating others! The greatest criminals of the world the colonialpowers are  judging today the Serbs in the Hague court! That’s a great shame and a crime!
The Serbs and the Russians in comparison to you, from the West, are angels!

Secondly, trough the anti-Serb campaign you want to justify your colonial politic towards Serbia. Serbian lands are today victimized by neo- colonial associations, which are responsible for the biological extermination of the natives of North- South and Middle America, New Zealand, Australia and Africa. You should do research about these historical facts, in stead of attacking Russia and applying for WW3 in order to cleanse the whole world! Those intentions arew wrong! You are again proving myn point!
To drop an A-bom in Moskow? Those terrorist/ genocidal statements are also proving my point!

The natives of North- South and Middle America, New Zealand, Australia and Africa
were not exterminated by their selves. Remember what Croatia's president Tudjman had said about the Jews. According to him a great number of the killed Jews, during WW2, was not killed by the  Nazis, but they had committed suicide! Do not use those tricks, comrade.

With a history like that, you have not even 0.00001% right to attack Russia!
If the whole world was like Russia/ Serbia, everything would be different!
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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2008, 08:06:55 AM »
I'm not trying to be rude but I'm not a Communist.  Please do not call me "comrad" ok ;).  The fact of the matter is that when Ol-Whitey did her colonizing around the world, it was confronted with the most vile and unproductive people, cultures and faiths period.  Yes, you are 100% correct that they did commit mass attrocities in their attempt to build an "Empire": England, Denmark, Spain, France, Belguim etc. Very true. 

However nothing comparable to what Russia did during its haydays of Communism in the Ukrane under Lenin and Stalin. Which is akin to all other Communist and pseudo-Communists regimes of the 20th century.

You want to talk facts....  Everyone knows what a toilet Africa is today.  Think of it prior to Ol-Whitey.  There was no written languages, no civil infrastructure, no technology, no medical practices, no educational institutions...nothing but cannibalism, rape, murde, disease, attrocities committed hourly of the lowest order and a warring hominid feudal stone age lifestyle.  The same goes for India to which wife burnings were common practice until the Brits crushed it.  The Islamic World was similar with many of their cultural/religious specificites crushed in areas where the Brits were, which of course resurfaced after their leaving.  South America, Africa, Islamic World, Hindustan, Australia and Asia have all benefitted from Ol-Whitey in many ways and still do today.  Only today it isn't colonists it is treason...as America and Britian have built every one of their enemies. 

Many of these "ethnic cleansing" were not of a political directive but of wars faught by the ethnic people against ol-whitey.  For obvious reasons.  The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico is a very good example...  Brother please think about what all of these places, cultures, religions and peoples would look like today if Ol-Whitey hadn't have ever discovered and colonized. 

You want to talk history, especially Communist style Colonianism you might wish to read about the Jesuit Reductions in Paraquay, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia and Uruguay.  The only "ethnic cleansing" here was the culture and faiths of the natives of South America with a Communalized form of "Christianity'...

I've already stated that I sided with Serbia and too Georgia against Russia and all of her Communist/Socialist, Islamic and Turd World allies...   

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Column one: Georgia, Israel and the nature of man
By CAROLINE GLICK
 
In their statements Wednesday on Russia's invasion of Georgia, both US President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice openly acknowledged that Russia is the aggressor in the war and that the US stands by Georgia.  This is all very nice and well.   But what does the fact that it took the US a full five days to issue a clear statement against Russian aggression tell us about the US?   What does it say about Georgia and, in a larger sense, about the nature of world affairs?

Russia's blitzkrieg in Georgia this week was not simply an act of aggression against a small, weak democracy.  It was an assault on vital Western security interests.  Since it achieved independence in 1990, Georgia has been the only obstacle in Russia's path to exerting full control over oil supplies from Central Asia to the West.   And now, in the aftermath of Russia's conquest of Georgia, that obstacle has been set aside.   Georgia has several oil and gas pipelines that traverse its territory from Azerbaijan to Turkey, the main one being the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline.  Together they transport more than 1 percent of global oil supplies from east to west.   In response to the Russian invasion, British Petroleum, which owns the pipelines, announced that it will close them.   This means that Russia has won.  In the future that same oil and gas will either be shipped through Russia, or it will be shipped through Georgia under the benevolent control of Russian "peacekeeping" forces permanently stationed in Gori.   The West now has no option other than appeasing Russia if it wishes to receive its oil from the Caucasus.   Russian control of these oil arteries represents as significant a threat to Western strategic interests as Saddam Hussein's conquest of Kuwait and his threat to invade Saudi Arabia in 1990.   Like Saddam's aggression then, Russia's takeover of Georgia threatens the stability of the international economy.

While Russia's invasion of Georgia is substantively the same as Saddam's attempt to assert control over Persian Gulf oil producers 18 years ago, what is different is the world's response.   Eighteen years ago, the US led a UN-mandated international coalition to defeat Iraq and roll back Saddam's aggression. Today, the West is encouraging Georgia to surrender.   Whether due to exhaustion over the domestic fights about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, dependence on Russian oil supplies, a residual and unjustified belief that Russia will side with the West in a confrontation with Iran over its nuclear weapons program, or the absence of an easy option for defending Georgia, it is manifestly clear that today the West is fully willing to accept complete Russian control of oil supplies from Central Asia.

Notwithstanding the strong statements issued Wednesday by Bush and Rice, the West has taken two steps to make its willingness to accept Russia's moves clear.   First, there was French President Nicolas Sarkozy's photogenic mediation-tour to Moscow and Tbilisi on Tuesday.   And second there was the US's response to Sarkozy's shuttle diplomacy on Wednesday.   Sarkozy's mediation efforts signaled nothing less than Europe's abandonment of Georgia.   During his visit to Moscow, where he met with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and Putin's Charlie McCarthy doll, "President" Dmitry Medvedev, Sarkozy agreed to a six-point document setting out the terms of the cease-fire and the basis for "peace" talks to follow.   The document's six points included the following principles: The non-use of force; a cease-fire; a guarantee of access to humanitarian aid; the garrisoning of Georgian military forces; the continued deployment of Russian forces in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and anywhere else they wish to go; and an international discussion of the political status of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

As a reporter for France's Liberation noted, by agreeing to the document France abandoned the basic premise that Georgia's territorial integrity should be respected by Russia.   Moreover, by leaving Russian forces in the country and giving them the right to deploy wherever they deem necessary, Sarkozy accepted Russian control of Georgia. By grounding Georgian forces in their garrisons, (or what is left of them after most of Georgia's major military bases were either destroyed or occupied by Russian forces), Sarkozy's document denies Georgia the right to defend itself from future Russian aggression.  In their appearances on Wednesday, both Bush and Rice praised Sarkozy's efforts and Rice explained that the US wants France to continue its efforts to mediate between Russia and Georgia.   Although both American leaders insisted that Georgia's territorial integrity must be respected, neither offered any sense of how that is to be accomplished.   Neither explained how that aim aligns with the French-mediated cease-fire agreement that gives international backing to Russia's occupation of the country.   The West's response tells us three basic things about the nature of world affairs.   First, it teaches us that "international legitimacy" is determined neither by a state's adherence to international law nor by a state's alliances with great powers.   Rather, international legitimacy is determined by the number of divisions a state possesses.

After Russia illegally invaded Georgia, European and American officials as well as Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama hinted that Russia had a legitimate right to invade, when they wrongly referred to South Ossetia as "disputed territory."   While South Ossetia and Abkhazia are separatist provinces, their sovereignty is not in dispute.   They are part of Georgia. Georgia acted legally when it tried to protect its territory from separatist violence last Friday. Russia acted illegally when it invaded.   Yet aside from the Georgian government itself, no one has noticed this basic distinction.   "We don't have time now to get into long discussions on blame," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Tuesday.

"We shouldn't make any moral judgments on this war. Stopping the war, that's what we're interested in," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner explained, adding, "Don't ask us who's good and who's bad here."

Then there is the fact that Georgia has gone out of its way to liberalize and democratize its society and political system and to be a loyal ally to the US. It sent significant forces to Iraq and Kosovo. Far from returning the favor, in Georgia's hour of need, all the US agreed to do was give Georgian forces a free plane ride home from Iraq. That the administration has no intention of defending its loyal ally was made clear Wednesday afternoon when the Pentagon sharply denied Georgian claims that the US would defend Georgian airports and seaports from Russian aggression.

The Pentagon's blunt denial of any plan to restore Georgian sovereignty was one of the first truly credible statements issued by the US Defense Department on the conflict. It took the US four days to acknowledge Russian aggression beyond South Ossetia. Even as convoys of journalists were shelled, civilian's homes were bombed, and Georgian military bases were destroyed by Russian forces in Gori, a Defense Department official said, "We don't see anything that supports [the Russians] are in Gori. I don't know why the Georgians are saying that."

The general lesson that emerges from Washington's claims of ignorance is that reality itself is of no concern to policy-makers bent on ignoring it. Through its obvious lies, Washington was able to justify taking no action of any sort against Russia and not speaking out in defense of Georgia until after Russia forced Georgia to surrender its sovereignty through the French mediators.

The US and European willingness to let Georgia fall despite its strategic importance, despite the fact that it has operated strictly within the bounds of international law, and despite its obvious ideological affinity and loyalty to them will have enormous repercussions for the West's relations with Ukraine, the Baltic States, Poland and the Czech Republic. But its aftershocks will not be limited to Europe. They will reverberate in the Middle East as well. And Israel, for one, should take note of what has transpired.

In Israel's early years, with the memory of the Holocaust still fresh in its leaders' minds, Israel founded its strategic posture on an acceptance of the fact that the soft power of international legitimacy, peace treaties, alliances and common interests only matters in the presence of the hard power of military force. People such as David Ben-Gurion realized that what was unique about the Holocaust was not the Allies' willingness to sit by and watch an atrocity unfold but the magnitude of the atrocity they did nothing to stop. Doing nothing to prevent an innocent nation from being destroyed has always been the normal practice of nations.

Yet over time, and particularly after Israel's victory in the Six Day War, that fundamental acceptance of the world as it is was lost.   It was first mitigated by Israel's own shock in discovering its power.  And it was further obfuscated in the aftermath of the war when the Soviets and the Arabs began promulgating the myth of Israeli aggression.   In recent years, the understanding that the only guarantor of Israel's survival is Israel's ability to defeat all of its enemies decisively has been forgotten altogether by most of the country's leaders and members of its intellectual classes.   Since 1979 and with increasing intensity since 1993, Israeli leaders bent on appeasing everyone from the Egyptians to the Palestinians to the Syrians to the Lebanese have called for Israel's inclusion in NATO, or the deployment of Western forces to its borders or lobbied Washington for a formal strategic alliance.   They have claimed that such forces and such treaties will unburden the country of the need to protect itself in the event that our neighbors attack us after we give them the territories necessary to wage war against us.   It has never made any difference to any of these leaders that none of the myriad international forces deployed along our borders has ever protected us.   The fact that instead of protecting Israel, they have served as shields behind which our enemies rebuild their forces and then attack us has made no impression.   Instead, our leaders have argued that once we figure out the proper form of appeasement everyone will rise to defend us.

If nothing else comes of it, the West's response to the rape of Georgia should end that delusion.  Georgia did almost everything right. And like Israel was, for its actions Georgia was celebrated in the West with platitudes of enduring friendship and empty promises of alliances that were discarded the moment Russia invaded.   Georgia only made one mistake, and for that mistake it will pay an enormous price.   As it steadily built alliances, it forgot to build an army.   Israel has an army.   It has just forgotten why its survival depends on our willingness to use it.    If we are unwilling to use our military to defeat our enemies, we will lose everything.   This is the basic, enduring truth of international affairs that we have ignored at our peril.   No matter what we do, it will always be the case.   For this is the nature of world affairs, and the nature of man.

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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2008, 09:13:39 AM »
Oj Ameriko sta bi tijela vise, Oj Ameriko sta bi tijela vise ?

Da ti Putin latinicom pise ?

MarZutra,

I will anwser your post last later or maybe tomorrow.
Right now I have no time.
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