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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008, 09:35:14 PM »
Of course they aren't afraid.  This isn't 1912-1965 anymore.  America, today, is so infested with Communists and anti-American traitors that we've lost without firing a shot.

In 1988, when Reagan demanded "Tear down these walls!" he, and America, didn't "defeat Communism" but unleashed it onto the World.  If one compares the world today the Communist and Pseudo-Communist States are still there but there has been a blistering growth in Socialism and a tragic decline in the Judeo-Christian West.

"Democracy is the road to socialism." - Karl Marx

"The goal of Socialism is Communism" - Vladimir Lenin

Friedrich August von Hayek, author of the fabulous book "The Road to Serfdom" argued that the road to socialism leads society to totalitarianism...
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 09:30:43 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 03:12:57 PM »
You support this man.

Friend,

Look we support Orthodox Russia and the Russian nation.
They are Orthodox just like us. We know that it is not easy to be Orthodox.
It is not easy to protect the purity of your religion while others are compromising centuries long and trying to convince you to do the same thing.

You should read something about the histories of the Orthodox churches of Serbia and Russia. Just to inform your self about our experiences with others during the last 1000 years.

About Medvedev.
He is a politician. If he is pro Orthodox than we will support him and if he is not than he should be replaced. The today's government of Russia should as soon as possible unite with other Orthodox sates, such as WhiteRussia and Ukraine.
This will encourage other Orthodox countries to also enter in an union which is dominated by Orthodox nations.  I do not know why they are waiting.
Further it is good that Russia has at least saved its people outsid ethe territory of the Russian federation. We all know that those Russian peace keepers whose rights, in regard to the presence in the parts of Gerogia, were respected by the US and the authorities of Georgia were attacked by the Georgian soldiers. To justifize the Georgian attack against the Russians in regions like South Ossetia, is ridiculous.

If all nations were behaving  like Serbia and Russia than the whole world would be a much better place. What do we Serbs want? We only protect what is ours, we have never invaded other countries or exterminated other peoples. Because we are not like that, they hate us. The same counts for Russia.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 04:29:15 PM »
You support this man.

Friend,

Look we support Orthodox Russia and the Russian nation.
They are Orthodox just like us. We know that it is not easy to be Orthodox.
It is not easy to protect the purity of your religion while others are compromising centuries long and trying to convince you to do the same thing.

You should read something about the histories of the Orthodox churches of Serbia and Russia. Just to inform your self about our experiences with others during the last 1000 years.

About Medvedev.
He is a politician. If he is pro Orthodox than we will support him and if he is not than he should be replaced. The today's government of Russia should as soon as possible unite with other Orthodox sates, such as WhiteRussia and Ukraine.
This will encourage other Orthodox countries to also enter in an union which is dominated by Orthodox nations.  I do not know why they are waiting.
Further it is good that Russia has at least saved its people outsid ethe territory of the Russian federation. We all know that those Russian peace keepers whose rights, in regard to the presence in the parts of Gerogia, were respected by the US and the authorities of Georgia were attacked by the Georgian soldiers. To justifize the Georgian attack against the Russians in regions like South Ossetia, is ridiculous.

If all nations were behaving  like Serbia and Russia than the whole world would be a much better place. What do we Serbs want? We only protect what is ours, we have never invaded other countries or exterminated other peoples. Because we are not like that, they hate us. The same counts for Russia.
You have great points, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a Nation of conquest. They are a nation that supports the Iranian nuclear program. They can come out and personally endorse ME and I still will not support their tactics in Georgia and the Middle East. It is understandable for a Serb to support Russia. But personally in my book, the interest of the United States and Israel come before the interest of Serbia. I support Serbia, but I support my country and Israel more.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 04:37:59 PM »
Brother, The Serbian people should have their own nation back and the Mohammadan Albanians, sorry if anyone disagrees with me, should be deported back to any one of the dozens of Mohammadan lands of their choosing exactly like the Mohammadan squatters in Eretz Yisrael.

Russia was a horrible despotic entity while under the Czars and collapsed into absolute debasement under the Soviet Union....their past dealings are not even close to be supportable (the Russian Government although the people are probably ok) in my books...
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 04:55:44 PM »
You support this man.

Friend,

Look we support Orthodox Russia and the Russian nation.
They are Orthodox just like us. We know that it is not easy to be Orthodox.
It is not easy to protect the purity of your religion while others are compromising centuries long and trying to convince you to do the same thing.

You should read something about the histories of the Orthodox churches of Serbia and Russia. Just to inform your self about our experiences with others during the last 1000 years.

About Medvedev.
He is a politician. If he is pro Orthodox than we will support him and if he is not than he should be replaced. The today's government of Russia should as soon as possible unite with other Orthodox sates, such as WhiteRussia and Ukraine.
This will encourage other Orthodox countries to also enter in an union which is dominated by Orthodox nations.  I do not know why they are waiting.
Further it is good that Russia has at least saved its people outsid ethe territory of the Russian federation. We all know that those Russian peace keepers whose rights, in regard to the presence in the parts of Gerogia, were respected by the US and the authorities of Georgia were attacked by the Georgian soldiers. To justifize the Georgian attack against the Russians in regions like South Ossetia, is ridiculous.

If all nations were behaving  like Serbia and Russia than the whole world would be a much better place. What do we Serbs want? We only protect what is ours, we have never invaded other countries or exterminated other peoples. Because we are not like that, they hate us. The same counts for Russia.
You have great points, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a Nation of conquest. They are a nation that supports the Iranian nuclear program. They can come out and personally endorse ME and I still will not support their tactics in Georgia and the Middle East. It is understandable for a Serb to support Russia. But personally in my book, the interest of the United States and Israel come before the interest of Serbia. I support Serbia, but I support my country and Israel more.

Do you have serious proves that the Russian federation is endangering the US and Israel? Can you prove to me that Russia is directly sponsoring Iran's nuclear activities?
I think that the main intention of invading Iran is a part of the world's plan to encircle Russia. If Russia wanted Iran to have nuclear bombs, than Iran would already have one? Do not you agree?

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 04:58:08 PM »
You support this man.

Friend,

Look we support Orthodox Russia and the Russian nation.
They are Orthodox just like us. We know that it is not easy to be Orthodox.
It is not easy to protect the purity of your religion while others are compromising centuries long and trying to convince you to do the same thing.

You should read something about the histories of the Orthodox churches of Serbia and Russia. Just to inform your self about our experiences with others during the last 1000 years.

About Medvedev.
He is a politician. If he is pro Orthodox than we will support him and if he is not than he should be replaced. The today's government of Russia should as soon as possible unite with other Orthodox sates, such as WhiteRussia and Ukraine.
This will encourage other Orthodox countries to also enter in an union which is dominated by Orthodox nations.  I do not know why they are waiting.
Further it is good that Russia has at least saved its people outsid ethe territory of the Russian federation. We all know that those Russian peace keepers whose rights, in regard to the presence in the parts of Gerogia, were respected by the US and the authorities of Georgia were attacked by the Georgian soldiers. To justifize the Georgian attack against the Russians in regions like South Ossetia, is ridiculous.

If all nations were behaving  like Serbia and Russia than the whole world would be a much better place. What do we Serbs want? We only protect what is ours, we have never invaded other countries or exterminated other peoples. Because we are not like that, they hate us. The same counts for Russia.
You have great points, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a Nation of conquest. They are a nation that supports the Iranian nuclear program. They can come out and personally endorse ME and I still will not support their tactics in Georgia and the Middle East. It is understandable for a Serb to support Russia. But personally in my book, the interest of the United States and Israel come before the interest of Serbia. I support Serbia, but I support my country and Israel more.

Do you have serious proves that the Russian federation is endangering the US and Israel? Can you prove to me that Russia is directly sponsoring Iran's nuclear activities?
I think that the main intention of invading Iran is a part of the world's plan to encircle Russia. If Russia wanted Iran to have nuclear bombs, than Iran would already have one? Do not you agree?
Why don't you ask Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. If there is any buzz that Russia is supporting the program, than we CAN NOT AND WILL NOT take a chance.
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 05:03:52 PM »
You support this man.

Friend,

Look we support Orthodox Russia and the Russian nation.
They are Orthodox just like us. We know that it is not easy to be Orthodox.
It is not easy to protect the purity of your religion while others are compromising centuries long and trying to convince you to do the same thing.

You should read something about the histories of the Orthodox churches of Serbia and Russia. Just to inform your self about our experiences with others during the last 1000 years.

About Medvedev.
He is a politician. If he is pro Orthodox than we will support him and if he is not than he should be replaced. The today's government of Russia should as soon as possible unite with other Orthodox sates, such as WhiteRussia and Ukraine.
This will encourage other Orthodox countries to also enter in an union which is dominated by Orthodox nations.  I do not know why they are waiting.
Further it is good that Russia has at least saved its people outsid ethe territory of the Russian federation. We all know that those Russian peace keepers whose rights, in regard to the presence in the parts of Gerogia, were respected by the US and the authorities of Georgia were attacked by the Georgian soldiers. To justifize the Georgian attack against the Russians in regions like South Ossetia, is ridiculous.

If all nations were behaving  like Serbia and Russia than the whole world would be a much better place. What do we Serbs want? We only protect what is ours, we have never invaded other countries or exterminated other peoples. Because we are not like that, they hate us. The same counts for Russia.
You have great points, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a Nation of conquest.

Well, they only conquest their national and historical territories.
Do you know how many Russian areas were during the USSR annexed to Russia's surrounding countries? In Yugoslavia the same was happening. Nations like Croatia, Bosnia and Albania (former and current fascist states) were rewarded with pure Serbian ethnic and national lands.

One serious question:
After the evil of communism "finally" collapsed, in 1990, for example Germany had united their lands into one state. Russia had also the right to unitedtheir people outside the communist borders of Russia with the new democratic Russian federation.
We Serbs wanted also after the communist period, which brought the Serbs and the Russians by the end of the 20th century to the brink of survival, to unite our lands into one Serbian state.  Germany did the same after 1990, we were also uniting Serbian ethnic territories in a common Serbian state.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 05:07:40 PM »
Dalmacija, Russia has financed all of the Muslim and Communist terrorist groups stemming from the early 1960's.  They were the ones who supported the Arabs against Israel in 1967 and in 1973.  Today Russia is aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and many of the other Islamic and Turd World dictatorships.  Knowing that Russia has a past history with Syria and Syria holds lengthy ties to Iran would logically conclude that Russia aids/ or will aid Iran.  Conversely, Iran is getting support from both China and North Korea.  Russia also holds cohort with both which logically conclude that Russia, via any of these routs, supports Iran.

Russia recently sold Iran their latest missile defense system.  Communists, like the American Establisment and the Mohammadans are the scourge of the Earth...imo  

How many of these areas were annexed and conquered under Russia by the Czars prior to USSR expansionist activities? 
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 05:14:05 PM »
Dalmacija, Russia has financed all of the Muslim and Communist terrorist groups stemming from the early 1960's.  They were the ones who supported the Arabs against Israel in 1967 and in 1973.  Today Russia is aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela,  

Muslim terrorist were financed by the US against the Soviets in the 80s and in the 90s
against the Serbs?

China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela are not bad countries.
Do you know that 40% of the persons who were directly involved in the establishment of Israel, in 1948, were Russian Jews. The most exiled Jews lived in Russia.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 06:34:46 PM »
Muslim terrorist were financed by the US against the Soviets in the 80s and in the 90s
against the Serbs?

China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela are not bad countries.
Do you know that 40% of the persons who were directly involved in the establishment of Israel, in 1948, were Russian Jews. The most exiled Jews lived in Russia.
Sorry but I totally disagree with you.  All of the aforementioned countries are despotic dictatorships with minimal freedoms and are akin to second world toilets.  China has amongst the most human, environmental and animal rights atrocities comparable second only to Africa.  North Korea is highly comparable to Cambodia under the The Khmer Rouge.  The only reason we, in the West do not see anything is due to their total media closure.  Venezuela is another horrible anti-West and anti-Israel turd hole and Cuba is another organizer, financier, trainer and supporter of Islamic and Pan-Arab terrorist groups. 

These are all countries of the, or support the, old USSR Communist block.  Many of the terrorist groups operating in Europe during the 1960's-80's were greatly aided by Cuba not to mention Russian and Cuban involvement in the each and every Marxist revolution in Africa and South America.... 

Gotta disagree with you here brother.  You know a very good book on this subject is "The Black Book of Communism" There were Cubans too fought on the side of the Arabs in the '67 and '73 war....
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 06:41:48 PM »
Muslim terrorist were financed by the US against the Soviets in the 80s and in the 90s
against the Serbs?

China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela are not bad countries.
Do you know that 40% of the persons who were directly involved in the establishment of Israel, in 1948, were Russian Jews. The most exiled Jews lived in Russia.
Sorry but I totally disagree with you.  All of the aforementioned countries are despotic dictatorships with minimal freedoms and are akin to second world toilets.  China has amongst the most human, environmental and animal rights atrocities comparable second only to Africa.  North Korea is highly comparable to Cambodia under the The Khmer Rouge.  The only reason we, in the West do not see anything is due to their total media closure.  Venezuela is another horrible anti-West and anti-Israel turd hole and Cuba is another organizer, financier, trainer and supporter of Islamic and Pan-Arab terrorist groups. 

These are all countries of the, or support the, old USSR Communist block.  Many of the terrorist groups operating in Europe during the 1960's-80's were greatly aided by Cuba not to mention Russian and Cuban involvement in the each and every Marxist revolution in Africa and South America.... 

Gotta disagree with you here brother.  You know a very good book on this subject is "The Black Book of Communism" There were Cubans too fought on the side of the Arabs in the '67 and '73 war....
You are right. Those countries will not be endorsed by me. Human rights are nonexistent there.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 07:56:02 PM »
Another one of the biggest frauds of "political correctness" and other "progressive" and "humanist" frauds are so-called human, animal, environmental "rights".  All Socialistic schema's to vanquish what was formerly called and valuded: MORALITY.... 

my two cents...
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2008, 04:49:09 AM »
The reason russia is acting imeperialistic is because they are trying to fight fire with fire, NATO(US) is building missiles in poland, making ex-soviet republics join NATO. NATO is puttin pressure on russia and russia isn't backing down. Just like the US reacted to the Cuba crisis, the russians are reacting to the missiles in poland. Like the US reacted in Grenada so are the Russians reacting in Georgia.

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2008, 05:39:56 AM »
The reason russia is acting imeperialistic is because they are trying to fight fire with fire, NATO(US) is building missiles in poland, making ex-soviet republics join NATO. NATO is puttin pressure on russia and russia isn't backing down. Just like the US reacted to the Cuba crisis, the russians are reacting to the missiles in poland. Like the US reacted in Grenada so are the Russians reacting in Georgia.

Good observation.
We are indeed facing the same crises just like the Cuba crisis.
This time it is the opposite party who wants to build rocket systems on sensitive areas.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2008, 07:49:01 AM »
The reason russia is acting imeperialistic is because they are trying to fight fire with fire, NATO(US) is building missiles in poland, making ex-soviet republics join NATO. NATO is puttin pressure on russia and russia isn't backing down. Just like the US reacted to the Cuba crisis, the russians are reacting to the missiles in poland. Like the US reacted in Grenada so are the Russians reacting in Georgia.
This is most certainly a valid and worthy reason, however I doubt that it is what it seems to be. I'm more apt to believe that it is more of a show as per Communism's dialectical theory.  Putin is a staunch Communist and once head of the KGB.  Russia, daily, is reverting back to its former Soviet era. 

Communism is an ideology that is expansionist/imperialist by nature, like Islam.  The elitists who run America are working towards the same ends as the proletariat in Russia: One World Order/Government. They may well both be on the same page and working together towards this means and this is only one step/show in that process for the masses: "Capitalist America" which includes their "allies": NATO vs. a pseudo "Communist Russia" (which includes their earlier cohorts)

I, simply don't know but I did post a fabulous article on the forum about the "Petrodollar" if anyone wishes to do a search for the link.

I, as a Jew, am totally against Communism, Socialism, Humanism, Nazism, Islam and these Elitists working hand in glove with all of the aforementioned New Utopian Socialist World Order...as Judaism is decidedly against all of these in fact, theology and in practice.

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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2008, 07:31:26 PM »
The reason russia is acting imeperialistic is because they are trying to fight fire with fire, NATO(US) is building missiles in poland, making ex-soviet republics join NATO. NATO is puttin pressure on russia and russia isn't backing down. Just like the US reacted to the Cuba crisis, the russians are reacting to the missiles in poland. Like the US reacted in Grenada so are the Russians reacting in Georgia.
This is most certainly a valid and worthy reason, however I doubt that it is what it seems to be. I'm more apt to believe that it is more of a show as per Communism's dialectical theory.  Putin is a staunch Communist and once head of the KGB.  Russia, daily, is reverting back to its former Soviet era. 

Communism is an ideology that is expansionist/imperialist by nature, like Islam.  The elitists who run America are working towards the same ends as the proletariat in Russia: One World Order/Government. They may well both be on the same page and working together towards this means and this is only one step/show in that process for the masses: "Capitalist America" which includes their "allies": NATO vs. a pseudo "Communist Russia" (which includes their earlier cohorts)

I, simply don't know but I did post a fabulous article on the forum about the "Petrodollar" if anyone wishes to do a search for the link.

I, as a Jew, am totally against Communism, Socialism, Humanism, Nazism, Islam and these Elitists working hand in glove with all of the aforementioned New Utopian Socialist World Order...as Judaism is decidedly against all of these in fact, theology and in practice.

.02 cents from Ol-MarZutra :)

Imho communism and capitalism are the same sh*t in a different pakage,capitalisam is communism backwords if u get what i want to say,and bought ideals are to rule the world,and that a selective few ppl rule with enormeus power etc
And you should know,if there was a part of history that really damaged serbia or russia ,that would be the communist era!why in gods name would somebody want to be communist,to have forigne agents ruleing ur country....
Communism sounds good etc but it has a totaly different face,and if putin was a commy,he'd of left Yeltsin play president,in other words,if putin was a communist he'd listen to he's masters wich allways intended for ussr to brake down

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2008, 08:38:12 PM »
Communism doesn't even sound good to me....  The theory itself is even flawed on paper...forget about practice...  At least in "Capitalism" the individual has a fighting chance to be something of him/herself.  I do suppose that this is who America became the most powerful, technologically advanced, efficient, free and productive nation this Earth has ever seen..

You're points about Communism are  O0
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2008, 11:38:34 PM »
Talk about complete and utter hypocracy!
How can any American accuse others of Nation conquest and terrorism and expect to be taken seriously?

It has 200,000 soldiers permanently stationed in dozens of countries around the globe and its global military presence expands every year.

If it doesn't like another country's economic policies, it tars the leadership as tyrants and brutes, declares the country a dictatorship
While countries whose leaders are tyrants and brutes and who routinely trample human rights are called friends and allies if they have the right  economic policies (Iran, Chile, Guatemala, Philippines, El Salvador, Haiti.)
It routinely intervenes in the elections of other countries, funding political parties, NGO's and media, but prohibits other countries from
intervening in its own elections.

It commits war crimes unrestrained, free from censure and prosecution, because it controls the international body that establishes war crimes tribunals. It refuses to sign a treaty to establish a international criminal court that could prosecute war crimes free from its interference.

It's always strapped for cash when it comes to social spending, health care and Social Security, but can find billions at the drop of a hat
for a new weapons program.
The US polices have the effect of intensifying the misery of the world's poor, while increasing the wealth of the country's business elite.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries.
These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960,
Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

Lets keep in mind that the US is the only nation on Earth to have ever used a nuclear weapon in anger.
It won't commit to refraining from using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapon states.
So what right do they have to dictate morality to Iran or N.Korea?

Its now become common knowlegde that the US supported Saddam Hussein while he was poisoning his people in Iraq.
And spent over 2 billion dollars training Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, and also supported Al-Qaeda in Kosovo and Bosnia.
As well as supporting other terrorist organizations like the Albanian KLA.

It has the largest stock pile of of smallpox, anthrax, and other biological chemical weapons in the world. In fact, it has 30,000 tons of chemical weapons.
It refuses to sign a treaty banning land mines.

Etc, etc, etc!
One can go on and on!
You can write several encyclopedias of American war crimes and hypocrisy.

What rights does this country have to impose is warped moral authority on anyone?

They use the most powerful media and propaganda machine in the world to promote their imperialist ideals.
Don't kid yourself that America is about freedom and democracy.
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2008, 04:19:57 AM »
@Serbian-Australian,

Very good post my brother!

Not to forgot that they had also exterminated the half of this planet during the colonization periodes, which are still in continue.

 

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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 09:15:14 AM »
Talk about complete and utter hypocracy!
How can any American accuse others of Nation conquest and terrorism and expect to be taken seriously?

It has 200,000 soldiers permanently stationed in dozens of countries around the globe and its global military presence expands every year. Yes, part of the quest for a new Utopian Socialist Order.

If it doesn't like another country's economic policies, it tars the leadership as tyrants and brutes, declares the country a dictatorship Like which ones?  Most countries on Earth today are dictatorships or pseudo-dictatorships....
While countries whose leaders are tyrants and brutes and who routinely trample human rights are called friends and allies if they have the right economic policies (Iran, Chile, Guatemala, Philippines, El Salvador, Haiti.)  Good point but also works both ways with Russia as the old Soviet Union funded, armed and assisted every Marxist Revolution.  Now I'm not letting America off the hook because they allowed Mao, Castro and many others come to power by highly questionable means..
It routinely intervenes in the elections of other countries, funding political parties, NGO's and media, but prohibits other countries from intervening in its own elections. As does Russia only Russia, more specifically the Soviet Union, goes further to, again, arm, aid, fund, organize and even assist Revolutionary Regimes all over the planet.  Both sides of the coin brother...  American Elitists have had a "global policy" since Woodrow Wilson while Russia has had the same since Lenin....  "Ends justifies the means" - Marx.

It commits war crimes unrestrained, free from censure and prosecution, because it controls the international body that establishes war crimes tribunals. What body is that?  Certainly it isn't the United Nations you speak?  Russia has that body thoroughly controlled and dominated.  You choice of words is not entirely correct as can be used in contra towards many other nations or even terrorist entities....It refuses to sign a treaty to establish a international criminal court that could prosecute war crimes free from its interference. Why would anyone want to sign any "international" treaty in the first place.  Nations should be concerned primarily with their own, inside their own borders....  It would be suicide for any nation to sign such a document.  Could you imagine if Israel (which probably signed this dumb dumb document anyway) signed it?  They'd have each and every anti-Jew Mohammedan, Communist and Socialist Regime up their bottom crying about "war crimes".....which they already do.  This is as fraudulent as the so-called "World Court"

It's always strapped for cash when it comes to social spending, health care and Social Security, but can find billions at the drop of a hat for a new weapons program.  Yes, that is the Federal or Bolshevizing of the Federal Government dominated by Elitists which are an oligarchy over the tax paying Federal Reserve funding masses...  Good point...

The US polices have the effect of intensifying the misery of the world's poor, while increasing the wealth of the country's business elite. Not true at all.... If anything, they are making the wealthy around the world more wealthy off the backs of others.  But than again, you cannot blame solely the United States for this as the ideology behind this stems from Marxism: Communism: "Free Trade".  However accepted by the leaders of all the Communist, pseudo Communist, Socialist and even Mohammedan dictatorships, America, being the sole economic engine on this planet, was the catalyst bringing this "Free Trade" fraud to fruition in 1987 between Canada and the United States by so-called "Conservatives": Ronald Reagan and Brian Mulroney.  Of course this was later expanded via both countries, including Britain, to bring about NAFTA, CAFTA, entities like the EU etc. to bring about "economic trading zones/blocks".  All a Communalist anti-freedom scam..

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. Yes, and there were good reasons for that as the same can be said about Russia and many of the other nations of the world.
These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.  A VERY simplistic and benighted position here brother.  If you research each and every war, America wasn't the sole activist in these to which there were goals and there were others on the other side of the spectrum aiding, funding, arming and training: Russia.  You are getting into a "he said-she said" blame game here solely looking at one side.  While your position is technically correct it is factually jaded as it only take into account the anti-Americanist line of thought while affording none to that which might well be on the other side of the geo-political chess board: Russia (and its communist cohorts).

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state. Yes and comparable, if not worse for Russia and its Cheka: OGPU: NKVD: KGB: FSB etc..

Lets keep in mind that the US is the only nation on Earth to have ever used a nuclear weapon in anger. It was a war dumb dumb!  I'm sure Hitler with his V1 and V2 program or Japan would have used them first if they had the means and the opportunity.  What a benighted Statement.  The ONLY mistake America had made, aside from slavery, was not dropping one of the bombs on Tokyo and the other on Moscow!
It won't commit to refraining from using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapon states. Neither should it.
So what right do they have to dictate morality to Iran or N.Korea?  They don't the same that Russia didn't have the right to do similar in many other of the bordering nations captured under the Czars or the Soviets....or Afghanistan.  Further, when a nation like Iran states they will "wipe" a nation off the map for simply being a different faith...  Israel has the right to protect itself.  America should, not only keep its wealth but keep its interests within its own borders.  This applies to every nation.  China with Tibet, the Mohammedans with their dozens of nations gained by conquest, Russia with Georgia....but the world rolls on...  Might I ask if you are a Communist?  Only a Communist or one who is a Pro-Commie would state these aforementioned statements?

Its now become common knowlegde that the US supported Saddam Hussein while he was poisoning his people in Iraq. Russia Supported Saddam Hussein and all of the other dictators throughout this Earth as well....what's your point here?
And spent over 2 billion dollars training Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, Agreed.  To fight a proxy war against Russia invading Afghanistan.and also supported Al-Qaeda in Kosovo and Bosnia This I have no knowledge on.  Possibly correct and possibly not considering Russia has financed almost every Red Terrorist, Pan Arab and Islamist group since the early 1960's..  Probably with American monies due to America, indirectly building up each and every one of its enemies that today would be empoverished turd holes if it weren't for America and its pseudo-capitalist system..
As well as supporting other terrorist organizations like the Albanian KLA. This may well be true but I do believe, like the others that other nations like Britain, France and others were also involved as they were in Kosavo.  I believe even Canada had sent over troops.....Heck we have troops littered all over the planet as well.  Is Canada an evil imperialist nation as well?  While NATO or the Coalition drops bombs we drop "Humanitarian Relief"....Oye vey!!

It has the largest stock pile of of smallpox, anthrax, and other biological chemical weapons in the world. This I doubt but would not be surprised.In fact, it has 30,000 tons of chemical weapons. Most of which probably came from the old Soviet Union....
It refuses to sign a treaty banning land mines. I believe it did a year or two ago no? 

Etc, etc, etc!
One can go on and on! We all can.....  You pick any country and I'm sure that some members here can tear it to shreds.  The fact that there is so much anti-American communist propaganda out there seems to dictate most of the beliefs and statements you've taken here.  You are an Australian or a Serb in exile in Australia?  You should thank yourself that you are not living in any of those nations you protect with your contempt for America.  Perhaps if you study more on historical fact you will come to realize that without America the other 3/4's of this Earth would be impoverished and despotic turd holes.  It was American Capitalism that built and rebuilt Europe, Russia, China, Japan, the entire Mohammedan/Oil producing world, Africa and South America...via direct economic policies or via third hand fraudulent means and "trade agreements"....  I'm sure you'd much rather a home in the United States than in any of those nations you have aforementioned...
You can write several encyclopedias of American war crimes and hypocrisy. Of course, as well for any and all of the other nations you've chosen.... 

What rights does this country have to impose is warped moral authority on anyone? It isn't imposing "morality" at all... It is imposing a New Utopian Socialist World Order.  AKIN to that of your "mother" Russia, in all actuality....  I think you might delve deeper into what the Western concept of Morality is, its history and who invented it...and for what purpose.  America, like most others, are now Socialist States and not their previous Judeo-Christian Democracies...or Constitutional Republic.

They use the most powerful media and propaganda machine in the world to promote their imperialist ideals.As does all those within your list of "righteous" nations.  At least in America there is the concept of free speech which all of those you've listed do not afford to its masses.  I agree with this statement because it is the Establishment that owns and directs them....not the American people.  If anything, these same media establishments hurt Americans internally over externally....
Don't kid yourself that America is about freedom and democracy. America IS but its Oligarchy: Elitist lead Establishment is NOT.  Akin to Lenin, Stalin and all the rest of those deprave Communist bastards...seeking domination and power...

I agree in some parts and disagree in others.  You must, like in most nations, be able to separate the Nations peoples from its ruling Establishment/Oligarchies...or in your case Proletariats...
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 10:03:07 AM »
You can not deny the fact that the US and its allies have caused almost all the wars which took place after WW2.

If a country wants to be independent, sovereign and free of US/EU influences
it is not automatically a communist or anti-American state. This counts for countries like Venezuela and Russia and others. It is funny to see how people are marked as communists only because they have an other opinion!
People have turned communism in their obssetion.


It is also not normal to blame the Russians for the establishment of the communist rule in Russia and in other nations. Communism is invented in the West and it was brought by the West in Russia. From Russia that plague had spread out it self, regrettably, to other countries and nations. 

You said something about capitalism. That American capitalism had reconstructed Russia, Japan and other countries?

America reconstructed Japan's infrastructure in 1945? Dropping two A-boms on two Japanese cities which had a great number of Orthodox Japanese citisence?
In 1999 the EU + US intended, probably, also to reconstruct Serbia's economy and infrastructure - with their, democratic, bombing campage?
Are we offending somebody if we say that we do not need that kind of help?
American help is very bitter. If they provide financial help to you, than you must realize that you must to pay it twice as much back! Nothing is free is this world and everything has its own price.


To hell with communism and Leninism!
Let the other countries be communist. I am glad that my nation is partly free of communism. If America/ West were not sponsering the current regime of my country I would had a communist free land!

America and the West support communism, because it is a regressive and destructive system. Of course they want that communist systems occupy the countries of the nations who are by them considered as enemies.
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 10:27:25 AM »
How can you condemn communism and be proWest?
Have you experienced the bitterness of communism, like we in our countries?

If communism was not launched on Russia and Serbia in the 20th century, how would the situation look like in Europe/ world today? Russia and Serbia would be the most powerful and influential countries of the age.

With out communism, which stopped the expansion of the Empire of you competitors, Russia would today be a much greater and stronger country and Europe would be cooperating with Orthodox Russia in stead with Protestant America. With Russia as the leading nation of the world, the world would be a better place, only if Russia would have been then a real Orthodox nation.

With out communism Russia would have today 500.000.000 orthodox citisence in stead of nearly 150.000.000!

You know that communism has been your allie number uno 1.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2008, 09:38:01 AM »
Lets keep in mind that Georgia is a democracy in name only.

Venezuela has far more rights when it comes to the media and freedom of speech. :-X

Mikheil Saakashvili (The current Georgian president) won the 2004 elections with a 96% majority!!   :o
The Americans said that this was a great win for democracy.

Lets not foget that Iraq also had elections, and Saddam Hussein won 99.96%
And we all know that it was true and fair because the Iraqi government insisted "the count was fair and accurate".   O0

I guess democracy is what the Americans tell us it is. :::D

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