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Offline zachor_ve_kavod

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I ask this question respectfully, please do not take offense.  Zoidberg asked Chaim on ask JTF about Christian persecution of the Jews in comparison to muslim persecution of Jews.  I understood Chaim's answer, but I have to take exception to one specific point.  Chaim suggested that the persecutions the Jews endured was G-d's punishment to them for living outside the land of Israel.  Even the holocaust was punishment to the Jews for living outside Israel.  I have heard this before and to a degree it makes sense.  What does not make sense to me is why G-d would choose to punish the 1.5 million children who were murdered by the nazis (ym"sh).  What was their crime?  Or was their murder a punishment to their parents?  Am I being too literal?  Am I misinterpretting?  Could somebody please help me to understand this difficult topic?

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Re: Could somebody please help me understand Chaim's answer to Zoidberg?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 07:45:48 PM »
Sometimes children suffer because of the sins of their parents. Think of the flood.

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Re: Could somebody please help me understand Chaim's answer to Zoidberg?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 07:57:27 PM »
How better to impact/punish someone then to harm thier children. For your child to die before you is the most unnatural thing in the universe.
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Re: Could somebody please help me understand Chaim's answer to Zoidberg?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 07:58:21 PM »
How better to impact/punish someone then to harm thier children. For your child to die before you is the most unnatural thing in the universe.

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Re: Could somebody please help me understand Chaim's answer to Zoidberg?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 08:12:12 PM »
How better to impact/punish someone then to harm thier children. For your child to die before you is the most unnatural thing in the universe.

Shamgar,

You are telling me... Think how my mother must feel with her youngest son  taken on 9/11 by Islamic Terrorists? It is beyond understanding!

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PS: Yet after 9/11 I did my teshuva and I have more faith in Hashem. Some Jews gained faith after the Holocaust and some lost their faith.

PPS: There was a great renaissance in Jewish learning after the terrible events of the Holocaust. In some way it may be Hashems way of reminding the Jews what happens if we forget to keep our side of the covenent, which includes not living with Amalek {those who hate Jews}.


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