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Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« on: September 03, 2008, 09:23:02 PM »
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New research coincides with a surge of the disease in unvaccinated children

WASHINGTON - New research further debunks any link between measles vaccine and autism, work that comes as the nation is experiencing a surge in measles cases fueled by children left unvaccinated.

Years of research with the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, better known as MMR, have concluded that it doesn’t cause autism. Still, some parents’ fears persist, in part because of one 1998 British study that linked the vaccine with a subgroup of autistic children who also have serious gastrointestinal problems. That study reported that measles virus was lingering in the children’s bowels.

Only now have researchers rigorously retested that finding, taking samples of youngsters’ intestines to hunt for signs of virus with the most modern genetic technology. There is no evidence that MMR plays any role, the international team — which included researchers who first raised the issue — reported Wednesday.
Nor was there a relationship with vaccine timing: Just five of the 25 autistic children had MMR precede GI complaints that in turn preceded autism symptoms.

Researchers consulted some prominent vaccine critics in designing the study. California advocate Rick Rollens praised the work but said it didn’t eliminate other vaccine concerns that deserve similar study. Meanwhile, he said it should draw much-needed attention to the suffering of patients like his son, who has both autism and GI disorders.

“No longer can mainstream medicine ignore the parents’ claims of significant GI distress,” he said.



“Although in fact there was evidence that this vaccine was safe in the bulk of the population, it had not been previously assessed with respect to kids with autism and GI complaints,” said Dr. W. Ian Lipkin of Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, who led the work published in PLoS One, the online journal of the Public Library of Science.

“We are confident there is no link between MMR and autism,” Lipkin said.

Added co-author Dr. Larry Pickering of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: “I feel very certain that it is a safe vaccine.”

Significant spike in U.S. measles cases
Measles, a highly infectious virus best known for its red skin rash, once routinely sickened thousands of children a year and killed hundreds, until childhood vaccinations made it a rarity in this country. But so far this year, the U.S. has counted 131 measles cases, the most in a decade. Most patients were unvaccinated. Some were infants too young for their first MMR shot, but nearly half involved children whose parents rejected vaccination, the CDC reported last month.

No one knows just how many autism patients also suffer gastrointestinal disorders, pain that they may not be able to communicate. But Lipkin said that by some estimates, up to a quarter may be affected.

The MMR fear was that the vaccine’s weakened measles virus somehow lodged in and inflamed intestines, allowing waste products to escape and reach the central nervous system, Lipkin said. So his team had two questions: Does measles virus really persist in children with both disorders and not other youngsters? And did vaccination precede the GI complaints which in turn preceded autism?

Researchers studied 25 children with both autism and GI disorders, and another 13 children with the same GI disorders but no neurologic problems. The youngsters — the average age was 5 — all were undergoing colonoscopies for their GI conditions anyway, allowing tissue samples to be tested for genetic traces of measles virus. All had been vaccinated at younger ages.

The tests uncovered traces of measles genetic material in the bowels of one boy with autism — and one boy without autism. That doesn’t prove virus never temporarily lodged in more children, but it contradicts the earlier study that raised concern.


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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 12:39:04 AM »
A very big risk factor in autism is an older (as in over 50) father. Sperm quality degrades with age.

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 12:41:50 AM »
Do you remember when Savage made fun of Autistic children and called them all sort of names?!
                                                                                                      That was a Big Sign that he's a Sick Individual...

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 12:45:29 AM »
I think Michael Maggot is autistic myself. He's clearly not all there.

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 12:48:11 AM »
Autism in ALL of it's spectrum areas, is absolutely no laughing matter. G-d help the idiot who laughs at someone's misfortune! >:(

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 12:49:35 AM »
And Michael Sewage is certainly an idiot!  O0 ;D

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 12:54:27 AM »
Autism in ALL of it's spectrum areas, is absolutely no laughing matter. G-d help the idiot who laughs at someone's misfortune! >:(
Absolutely Right,
       I have a family friend who had twins with Autism and has been dealing with this for 7 years now... It most certainly is NOT a laughing matter!
 

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 12:56:55 AM »
Autism in ALL of it's spectrum areas, is absolutely no laughing matter. G-d help the idiot who laughs at someone's misfortune! >:(
Absolutely Right,
       I have a family friend who had twins with Autism and has been dealing with this for 7 years now... It most certainly is NOT a laughing matter!
 

My B.S. is in Special Education, and I've had experience in various settings with children that have this unfortunate disease.

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 01:13:12 AM »
I don't think that vaccines cause this in most cases but there could be occasional incidents of tainted vaccines that affect certain sensitive parts of the population. Anyway, I think the greater concern is often when kids don't get vaccinated. Kids are suffering from diseases they aren't supposed to, like measles and whooping cough.

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2008, 01:25:18 AM »
A very big risk factor in autism is an older (as in over 50) father. Sperm quality degrades with age.

Shalom C F   :)   This is a tiny bit off topic but it has to do with the MMR vaccine. My daughter had a high fever of 104 to 106 within 24 hours after her MMR vaccine. We took her to the emergency room and they put her on ice to bring down the fever. The fever lasted 5 days on and off and when the fever broke, she broke out with a ( measels type ) of rash. The doctors in the ER said her vaccine had nothing to do with the fever, but I think differently. I believe it's possible my daughter got a ( bad batch ) of the MMR vaccine and it gave her the measels....a milder case but measels nevertheless.

   
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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 01:50:29 AM »
A very big risk factor in autism is an older (as in over 50) father. Sperm quality degrades with age.

Shalom C F   :)   This is a tiny bit off topic but it has to do with the MMR vaccine. My daughter had a high fever of 104 to 106 within 24 hours after her MMR vaccine. We took her to the emergency room and they put her on ice to bring down the fever. The fever lasted 5 days on and off and when the fever broke, she broke out with a ( measels type ) of rash. The doctors in the ER said her vaccine had nothing to do with the fever, but I think differently. I believe it's possible my daughter got a ( bad batch ) of the MMR vaccine and it gave her the measels....a milder case but measels nevertheless.

   
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I'm concerned about this as well, Dox
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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2008, 01:57:54 AM »
Shalom C F   :)   This is a tiny bit off topic but it has to do with the MMR vaccine. My daughter had a high fever of 104 to 106 within 24 hours after her MMR vaccine. We took her to the emergency room and they put her on ice to bring down the fever. The fever lasted 5 days on and off and when the fever broke, she broke out with a ( measels type ) of rash. The doctors in the ER said her vaccine had nothing to do with the fever, but I think differently. I believe it's possible my daughter got a ( bad batch ) of the MMR vaccine and it gave her the measels....a milder case but measels nevertheless.
I have mixed feelings on vaccines. On the one hand, they are a luxury that allows us to escape most of the misery of childhood illness. On the second hand, we have created several generations of people with idle immune systems. The immune system is a "dynamic" aspect of the body--it isn't just a preprogrammed organ system, it is a fluid, changing organism almost with a mind of its own and independent of the rest of the body. It doesn't like being told what to do or its job being taken from it. It is strongly suspected that universal vaccination and antibiotic overuse have literally produced resentful, rebellious immune systems in the form of horrific, bizarre allergies (such as the great spike of lethal peanut allergies), multichemical sensitivity syndrome, and/or several autoimmune diseases in which the body's own defenses declare war on us. An immune system that is out of work finds something to do after a while, one way or another.

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Re: Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2008, 04:25:58 AM »
Shalom C F   :)   This is a tiny bit off topic but it has to do with the MMR vaccine. My daughter had a high fever of 104 to 106 within 24 hours after her MMR vaccine. We took her to the emergency room and they put her on ice to bring down the fever. The fever lasted 5 days on and off and when the fever broke, she broke out with a ( measels type ) of rash. The doctors in the ER said her vaccine had nothing to do with the fever, but I think differently. I believe it's possible my daughter got a ( bad batch ) of the MMR vaccine and it gave her the measels....a milder case but measels nevertheless.
I have mixed feelings on vaccines. On the one hand, they are a luxury that allows us to escape most of the misery of childhood illness. On the second hand, we have created several generations of people with idle immune systems. The immune system is a "dynamic" aspect of the body--it isn't just a preprogrammed organ system, it is a fluid, changing organism almost with a mind of its own and independent of the rest of the body. It doesn't like being told what to do or its job being taken from it. It is strongly suspected that universal vaccination and antibiotic overuse have literally produced resentful, rebellious immune systems in the form of horrific, bizarre allergies (such as the great spike of lethal peanut allergies), multichemical sensitivity syndrome, and/or several autoimmune diseases in which the body's own defenses declare war on us. An immune system that is out of work finds something to do after a while, one way or another.

CF,

I seem to be one suffering from that right now. I have vasculitis which is an autoimmune anomaly which modern science doesnt really know how to treat right now. It is not fun...

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