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MUST READ FOR JEWS: E-Book "To Eliminate the Opiate" - Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman
MarZutra:
Dear Chavarim,
Firstly I'd like to wish you all L'SHANA TOVA TIKATEVU VETEJATEMU - Happy 5769! With that the following past few years we have witnessed many different tragic events with regards to Israel and America and have delved into many a discussion and debate.
Below is a highly credible work called "To Eliminate the Opiate Vol. 1" by Rabbi/Dr. Marvin S. Antelman which explains the history and workings of the Erev Rav: "Jewish" anti-Jew movements with goals of eliminating Jewry, Judaism and Israel for the Platonic quest towards a Global Utopian Order. The groups within are all historically based and work hand in hand with those Gentile peoples/groups that work tirelessly towards the elimination of Christianity. Both are Communalist-Humanist and here is the Jewish side of this reality at work today undermining Israel, Jewry, Judaism, America and the Constitution.
E-BOOK "To Eliminate the Opiate": http://www.scribd.com/doc/4040430/Eliminate-the-Opiate
It is my opinion that every Jew should read this work...
Enjoy :'(
q_q_:
alot of it is guilt by association.
A classic thing he discovered in NY public library, was Moses Mendellesohn's ordination certificate. Most would say "I didn't know he was a rabbi, but it's possible".
Infact, it is a sabbatean thing, full of codewords, completely unlike any normal ordination certificate
It shows the ordinations going back from Mendelssohn, to Jonathan Eibeschutz(who ordained him), back to Shabbetai Tzvi(1600s).
He printed it in hebrew in his book about Eibeschutz - bchor satan.
Many of his references are to Gershom Scholem, a secular jewish professor that is very familiar with jewish mystical texts. One book I flicked through as I read Vol 2 was "The messianic idea in judaism" by him. Another book Rabbi Antelman referenced often was about Sufism.
Rabbi Antelman is the same guy that invented the bullets with porn in them to use against terrorists. And he has come up with what he thinks is a cure for aids, it can cause liver damage but onr or two cracks are pedalling it. He is a multi-talented genius, and somewhat eccentric.
But his 2 books, vol 1 and 2, should be judged on their own merits.
I ran into them from Chamish. His work at least has references!
And good ones too. He chose to make sure all his references were good authoritative sources.
The years he wrote the books were along the lines of, vol 1 in 1970, and vol2 in 2000.
When I read reading them, vol1 -was- tricky to find but I found it available in book form from the texas noachides. (vendyljones site), rabbi antelman pointed me to it. But if it's available in e-book form as it seems to be here then that's great.
muman613:
Shalom,
Chamish doesnt think much of JTF and Chaim. I have written him and told him that Chaim is much more important to the movement. BTW, I dont believe this Sabatean thing at all. It is a rehash of just about every conspiracy theory.
muman613
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on September 23, 2008, 08:18:09 PM ---Shalom,
Chamish doesnt think much of JTF and Chaim.
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that's because Chaim doesn't think much of Chamish.
Fact is, he uncovered about Rabin.
You have to use your intelligence here
--- Quote from: muman613 on September 23, 2008, 08:18:09 PM ---I have written him and told him that Chaim is much more important to the movement. BTW, I dont believe this Sabatean thing at all. It is a rehash of just about every conspiracy theory.
muman613
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I don't know who you wrote to but i'm sure they'll realise you are off your rocker.
Obviously the leader of JTF is more important to JTF than anybody else.
Chamish has nothing to do with JTF. Neither has Rabbi Antelman. Neither does the beaver that climbed up the nearby tree last week.
I can't be bothered to ask you to define the "sabbatean thing". I just mentioned Moses Mendelssohn though, and Rabbi Jonathan Eibeschutz. Eibeschutz is not believed to be sabbatean by mainstream religious rabbis, because he was a Gaon, and well respected. But they aren't familiar with this ordination certificate, and haven't given much thought to the amulets he wrote out. Rabbi Yaakov Emden (great rabbi, and I think an ancestor of rabbi kahane) suspected Eibeschutz and faught against him.
I don't quite know what you want to deny and I don't think you do either
muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on September 24, 2008, 03:11:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on September 23, 2008, 08:18:09 PM ---Shalom,
Chamish doesnt think much of JTF and Chaim.
--- End quote ---
that's because Chaim doesn't think much of Chamish.
Fact is, he uncovered about Rabin.
You have to use your intelligence here
--- Quote from: muman613 on September 23, 2008, 08:18:09 PM ---I have written him and told him that Chaim is much more important to the movement. BTW, I dont believe this Sabatean thing at all. It is a rehash of just about every conspiracy theory.
muman613
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I don't know who you wrote to but i'm sure they'll realise you are off your rocker.
Obviously the leader of JTF is more important to JTF than anybody else.
Chamish has nothing to do with JTF. Neither has Rabbi Antelman. Neither does the beaver that climbed up the nearby tree last week.
I can't be bothered to ask you to define the "sabbatean thing". I just mentioned Moses Mendelssohn though, and Rabbi Jonathan Eibeschutz. Eibeschutz is not believed to be sabbatean by mainstream religious rabbis, because he was a Gaon, and well respected. But they aren't familiar with this ordination certificate, and haven't given much thought to the amulets he wrote out. Rabbi Yaakov Emden (great rabbi, and I think an ancestor of rabbi kahane) suspected Eibeschutz and faught against him.
I don't quite know what you want to deny and I don't think you do either
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q_q_,
You are entitle to believe whatever kokamamie theory you like. But I stand by my assesment of Chamish. Just doing a search on this site for the name 'Chamish' comes up with quite a littany of facts which make me more inclined to disbelieve what he writes.
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Shlomo says:
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#3) Barry Chamish is a crazy person. He is not someone you should get all your information from. He, definitely, does not carry this "documentable and incontrovertible proof" you desire.
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OdKahaneChai says:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on July 11, 2007, 08:59:54 PM ---Barry Chamish was invited to a Holocaust Deniers Conference.
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He's a nutcase, that Chamish. He was on the Tamar Yonah a few weeks ago - and wow! He reminded me of a mad scientist character from a movie.
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CHAIM SAYS:
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He's completely insane.
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CHAIM SAYS:
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Unfortunately, I know Chamish personally.
Chamish is an assimilated, intermarried, self-hating Jew who collaborates with neo-Nazi web sites. He's not only insane, he's also the scum of the earth.
Chamish has no following whatsoever among any real conservatives in the U.S., and he is detested and ridiculed by the rightwing in Israel.
Chamish serves his establishment masters by propagating conspiracy theories that make the right look like a bunch of lunatics.
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Chamish is in business to sell books. There will always be minds willing to believe just about any conspiracy theory as long as there are 'some' so-called facts. I dont believe my understanding of Chamish is too far from the majority.
I have some other emails from people who correspond with Chamish and they dont agree with his approach. Even if he were speaking some truth his method is deficient. If he is right I will have to apologize, but at this time I do not feel that I have said anything untrue.
muman613
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