What do people here think of Germans?

[mainestategop]

I was wondering what people here on JTF thinks of Germans in general. I noticed a lot of resentment against them, no doubt due to the holocaust and World War II. I was also wondering if it is okay for Jews and righteous gentiles like myself to attend Oktoberfest? Theres a church down in Augusta celebrating and was invited to attend.

[mainestategop]

I was thinking of asking Chaim but then again thought it would be best to post here to get a quicker response.

[P J C]

We have Germans on this site. I believe Pheasant is a German. So is George W Bush the Hero

[Vito]

Yep Pheasant is German, and he's well respected here by the Jews.

[mord]

Same as everyone else you have good and bad people in all countries, except most islamic countries 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Pheasant is a righteous German--from Germany, in fact--but 99.8% of Teutons, at least in their own land, are scum of the earth to this day. Few European nations and their publics are as committed to Hamas, Hezbollah, and "land for peace".

On the other hand, in my experience most German-Americans are not bad at all.

[briann]

We have Germans on this site. I believe Pheasant is a German. So is George W Bush the Hero

I believe that German's represent the largest nationality in America.   Something like 30%.

BTW, German central Europe has an extraordinary history, that shouldn't be trivialized by what Hitler did.  I think that there is evil everywhere... and because of ignorance and extraordinary circumstances, evil can gain political control.

Just like with Obama... many who support him... arent evil, they are ignorant.  They just don't think its even a possibility that Obama has been a member of a Black supremacist Church.  I dont think its fair to say that the USA is evil if he is elected.  We are just ignorant and are fearful, which is what both Obama and Hilter feed upon.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

PS: A local Christian college around here is putting on a "Mocktoberfest" featuring bratwurst and root beer.  

[mord]

I believe that German's represent the largest nationality in America.   Something like 30%

40% and some of the best Generals in ww2 were German Americans,many also served in the OSS on very dangerous missions

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

We have Germans on this site. I believe Pheasant is a German. So is George W Bush the Hero

I believe that German's represent the largest nationality in America.   Something like 30%.

BTW, German central Europe has an extraordinary history, that shouldn't be trivialized by what Hitler did.  I think that there is evil everywhere... and because of ignorance and extraordinary circumstances, evil can gain political control.

Just like with Obama... many who support him... arent evil, they are ignorant.  They just don't think its even a possibility that Obama has been a member of a Black supremacist Church.  I dont think its fair to say that the USA is evil if he is elected.  We are just ignorant and are fearful, which is what both Obama and Hilter feed upon.

I have to disagree. The history of Germany and the Teutonic people is one of satanic racism (derived from their pagan Odinism) and malevolent anti-Semitism--which did not start with, but was certainly typified by, Martin Luther some 500 years ago (and 400 years before Hitler ys"vz). Adolf Hitler won with nearly 100% of the German popular vote in a free and unfettered election (remember, this was Weimar Germany at the time--a completely modern and fair constitutional democracy) specifically because he campaigned on the issue of anti-Semitism and promised to put a stop to the horrible Jews who were swindling the German Gentiles and "enslaving" them. The German public just ate this up. They had never had a candidate before who said so very openly everything they had always felt and wished for.

Americans for Obama, on the other hand, are divided between those who are truly evil and are voting for him because they know what he stands for (i.e. all his black and Arab supporters and at least a third of his white supporters) and those who are stupid, selfish, greedy, and ignorant and support him because they actually believe John McCain and Sarah Palin are responsible for the bank meltdown and think that Obama will bring "change". So, I think it's apples and oranges.

[Vito]

How's Maine doing anyway? I was suppose to take a ride up there with my bike this summer, couldn't make it. Any recommended spots for moose hunting? : D

[Dr. Dan]

I was wondering what people here on JTF thinks of Germans in general. I noticed a lot of resentment against them, no doubt due to the holocaust and World War II. I was also wondering if it is okay for Jews and righteous gentiles like myself to attend Oktoberfest? Theres a church down in Augusta celebrating and was invited to attend.

It depends on the individual. We cherish righteous people of all races and creeds and religions and nations.

We hate evil people and evil behavior.

As far as Germany..they perpetrated the most horrible murderous actions against the Jews murdering 6 MILLION!!!!!!!  Till this day they are unapologetic about it since they support Islamic nations and encourage Israel to surrender...therefore, Germany as a nation, JTF will never forgive nor forget.

But once again, individual Germans who are righteous, we love like brothers..IT's a person by person basis.

[zachor_ve_kavod]

I do not have a problem with German people per se, particularly those who were not around during the war.  I am somewhat more suspicious of Germans who may have been tainted by the period.  I do try however, to be fair with people.  So I don't have a real problem with Germans.

On the other hand, I do have a problem with Germany.  Because it was Germany as an entity that our people, our language, and our culture.  I think Germany will be forever cursed for what it did to Jewry.  How does this translate into day to day life?  I choose not to invest in Germany, or visit it, or celebrate its festivals.  I neither forget nor forgive Germany, nor will I ever.  

This may seem abstract because like I said, I don't have a problem with German people.  But that is for me to deal with.

[briann]

We have Germans on this site. I believe Pheasant is a German. So is George W Bush the Hero

I believe that German's represent the largest nationality in America.   Something like 30%.

BTW, German central Europe has an extraordinary history, that shouldn't be trivialized by what Hitler did.  I think that there is evil everywhere... and because of ignorance and extraordinary circumstances, evil can gain political control.

Just like with Obama... many who support him... arent evil, they are ignorant.  They just don't think its even a possibility that Obama has been a member of a Black supremacist Church.  I dont think its fair to say that the USA is evil if he is elected.  We are just ignorant and are fearful, which is what both Obama and Hilter feed upon.

I have to disagree. The history of Germany and the Teutonic people is one of satanic racism (derived from their pagan Odinism) and malevolent anti-Semitism--which did not start with, but was certainly typified by, Martin Luther some 500 years ago (and 400 years before Hitler ys"vz). Adolf Hitler won with nearly 100% of the German popular vote in a free and unfettered election (remember, this was Weimar Germany at the time--a completely modern and fair constitutional democracy) specifically because he campaigned on the issue of anti-Semitism and promised to put a stop to the horrible Jews who were swindling the German Gentiles and "enslaving" them. The German public just ate this up. They had never had a candidate before who said so very openly everything they had always felt and wished for.

Americans for Obama, on the other hand, are divided between those who are truly evil and are voting for him because they know what he stands for (i.e. all his black and Arab supporters and at least a third of his white supporters) and those who are stupid, selfish, greedy, and ignorant and support him because they actually believe John McCain and Sarah Palin are responsible for the bank meltdown and think that Obama will bring "change". So, I think it's apples and oranges.

I disagree.  Again... ALL of Europe and Russia was horrifically anti-semitic in its past.  Russia was in my opinion the worst. 
However... Germany was by far the most accepting of Jews in Central Europe around the turn of the century, and this is why so many Jews emigrated there during this time (which is one of the horrific ironies of the Third Reich)

My grandmother's family lived in Germany before its collapse, and they had fairly good treatment there, as compared with their previous generation, that lived in Russia.

By the way, to this day.... I will always be skeptical of any nationalist move coming from Germany or Russia  I can't say that about any other western country.

[Ulli]

I think there is a curse, because of the holocaust. It is obvious.

The majority of the people seem to be unable to live without big gouvernment and socialism. And this attitude always to tell people what they have to do. Even to tell the Israeli gouvernment, after all what happened, what is the proper way. It is shameless.

Imo all this problems, that Europe in general and Germany particular have are founded in the fundamental rejection of God and in the twisting of the natural economic order.

They have a lot of weird ideas how to redistribute the wealth, how to do social engeneering, how to force people what they have to believe and they think this will bring them the garden of eden in this world.

But through this they have broken western civilisation and have created a zoo.

Even a lot of people who reject Islam, are doing this not because it is insane and criminal, but because Islam, of course only theoretically and outwardly, is rejecting immoral behaviour.

I really don't know whom I despise more. The murder-muslims or the gay, prostitution & feminist leftist activists who fight against it in order to fight for their immoral behaviour.

I have given up to convince people about this. My loyality to this bolschewist state is zero.

[Rubystars]

I'm part German and I'm proud of my heritage. My German ancestors came here to TX in 1845 and there are lots of people with my surname in TX now. There even used to be a dialect of German called Texas German, which is mostly a dead language now, but some people are trying to archive it so it won't be completely lost to history. Sometimes there are still a lot of festivals in New Braunfels, where most German immigrants passed through when they came to TX. I'd love to go to Oktoberfest if it was a family-friendly event, but I dont' think it would be good to go to some of those festivals if they're just an excuse for people to drink. I went to an Italian festival once even though I'm not Italian, and earlier in the day it was great and family friendly but by the afternoon it became a crowd of drunks, so if you go to a festival choose your festival and time wisely.

There's a lot of good stuff in German history like literature (Goethe, Grimm fairy tales, etc.), inventions (like the printing press for one) classical music (Handel, Bach, etc.), modern music (Kraftwerk) art,  scientists and engineers, etc. It also has some great food (who doesn't like pretzels?) Also as people mentioned there are really wonderful JTFers on here from that country!

The Holocaust was absolutely horrible, possibly the worst thing that ever happened in history! There's absolutely no excuse for that, and I'm sure that's why the nation of Germany and many other areas of Europe are being punished by God. God is allowing the Muslims and socialists to take over probably because of the sins of European nations. I grieve for the fact that the German nation and other Europeans sinned so badly and hurt and killed so many people, and that they are being punished now.

Likewise, I grieve for the fact that America is being punished and that America sinned. America and other Allies could have done something to stop the Holocaust but they didn't. America and the Allies could have bombed the rail lines, or even the death camps themselves, stopping the murder of Jews and other people there. They let that go on. Chaim has talked about this on his show before, about how the Allies failed to stop the Holocaust in progress and turned their back on the Jews. Another grave sin that America has committed involves the millions of innocent babies that are murdered every year through abortion. God can't look at that and pretend it didn't happen. So even America has done horrible things that deserve harsh punishment from God.

My hope is that all Western nations will one day turn their face to God and begin behaving in a righteous manner, so that God will lift the curses from us and begin to bring blessings instead.

The first step in turning this situation around for the West (America and Germany included) is to pray for and to bless Israel as best we can. We must begin to support Israel and we must fight worldwide anti-Semitism. This will merit God's blessings, and more importantly, it's the right thing to do.

We must also do all we can to protect the innocent and weak, whether they are babies in the womb, disabled people, or our elderly. The way we treat the weakest and most helpless among us is a mark of our civilization and we must strive to be kind and generous.

I think the example that Germany gave the world is that even the most civilized nations can turn absolutely evil. No nation should ever consider themselves safe from corruption or safe from evil leadership or think they're too good to be punished by God for evil actions. America has a lot to learn from Germany's example. Tamar Yonah in one broadcast of hers mentioned that some of the Jewish families didn't believe what was going on in Germany at first because they thought they lived in a civilized and good society. Don't ever assume that even the best countries are immune from evil people taking over.

Right now we have a horrible person who wants to lead our country in America and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. This monster (and he is a monster) wants to destroy Israel. He wants to pursue Jewish blood and he wants to also extend the murder of millions of babies. He doesn't even want a baby born alive to be saved if they survive an abortion.

This monster will bring horrible punishment upon the United States. Please do all you can fight him or we will have learned nothing from what happened to Germany.

[Americanhero1]

Geez that is a long answer

[Rubystars]

Geez that is a long answer

I had a lot to say. 

[t_h_j]

Pheasant is a righteous German--from Germany, in fact--but 99.8% of Teutons, at least in their own land, are scum of the earth to this day. Few European nations and their publics are as committed to Hamas, Hezbollah, and "land for peace".

On the other hand, in my experience most German-Americans are not bad at all.

LOL more brilliance from C.F.

[t_h_j]

We have Germans on this site. I believe Pheasant is a German. So is George W Bush the Hero

I believe that German's represent the largest nationality in America.   Something like 30%.

BTW, German central Europe has an extraordinary history, that shouldn't be trivialized by what Hitler did.  I think that there is evil everywhere... and because of ignorance and extraordinary circumstances, evil can gain political control.

Just like with Obama... many who support him... arent evil, they are ignorant.  They just don't think its even a possibility that Obama has been a member of a Black supremacist Church.  I dont think its fair to say that the USA is evil if he is elected.  We are just ignorant and are fearful, which is what both Obama and Hilter feed upon.

I have to disagree. The history of Germany and the Teutonic people is one of satanic racism (derived from their pagan Odinism) and malevolent anti-Semitism--which did not start with, but was certainly typified by, Martin Luther some 500 years ago (and 400 years before Hitler ys"vz). Adolf Hitler won with nearly 100% of the German popular vote in a free and unfettered election (remember, this was Weimar Germany at the time--a completely modern and fair constitutional democracy) specifically because he campaigned on the issue of anti-Semitism and promised to put a stop to the horrible Jews who were swindling the German Gentiles and "enslaving" them. The German public just ate this up. They had never had a candidate before who said so very openly everything they had always felt and wished for.

Americans for Obama, on the other hand, are divided between those who are truly evil and are voting for him because they know what he stands for (i.e. all his black and Arab supporters and at least a third of his white supporters) and those who are stupid, selfish, greedy, and ignorant and support him because they actually believe John McCain and Sarah Palin are responsible for the bank meltdown and think that Obama will bring "change". So, I think it's apples and oranges.

check your history CF... Hitler never won anything even close to 100% of the popular vote...

[muman613]

t_h_j,

I just checked wikipedia {we know that their statistics are questionable, but lets assume they are correct}...

Date	Votes	Percentage	Seats in Reichstag	Background
May 1924	1,918,300	6.5	32	Hitler in prison
December 1924	907,300	3.0	14	Hitler is released from prison
May 1928	810,100	2.6	12
September 1930	6,409,600	18.3	107	After the financial crisis
July 1932	13,745,800	37.4	230	After Hitler was candidate for presidency
November 1932	11,737,000	33.1	196
March 1933	17,277,000	43.9	288	During Hitler's term as Chancellor of Germany

According to this chart it seems the maximum popular vote was 43.9 percent in 1933 . I am not a big fan of Germany and it seems anti-semitism is once again on the rise there. I hope that this is not something about the German people as a whole. As others have said, there is evil everywhere.


muman613

PS: I used to drive a VW bus... Even though VW was Hitlers car company.

[George]

;-) :-(

[muman613]

More on this issue:

CF may have a point, at a certain time Hitler recieved 84.6% of the electorate. Though at this time he was already using his paramilitary squads to eliminate his opposition.

Again from Wikipedia:

President Paul von Hindenburg died on 2 August 1934. Rather than holding new presidential elections, Hitler's cabinet passed a law proclaiming the presidency dormant and transferred the role and powers of the head of state to Hitler as Führer und Reichskanzler (leader and chancellor). Thereby Hitler also became supreme commander of the military, whose officers then swore an oath not to the state or the constitution but to Hitler personally.[48] In a mid-August plebiscite, these acts found the approval of 84.6% of the electorate.[49] This action technically violated both the constitution and the Enabling Act. The constitution had been amended in 1932 to make the president of the High Court of Justice, not the chancellor, acting president until new elections could be held. The Enabling Act specifically barred Hitler from taking any action that tampered with the presidency. However, no one dared object. With this action, Hitler effectively removed the last remedy by which he could be dismissed from office—and with it, all checks and balances on his power.

I dont know if this was a fair election as at the time his use of violence was well established.

muman613

However, some people have referred to Hitler's legacy in neutral or favourable terms. Former Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat spoke of his 'admiration' of Hitler in 1953, when he was a young man, though it is possible he was speaking in the context of a rebellion against the British Empire.[257] Louis Farrakhan has referred to him as a "very great man".[258] Bal Thackeray, leader of the right-wing Hindu Shiv Sena party in the Indian state of the Maharashtra, declared in 1995 that he was an admirer of Hitler.[259] Friedrich Meinecke, the German historian quotes of Hitler, "It is one of the great examples of the singular and incalculable power of personality in historical life".[260]

[Ulli]

t_h_j

Don't let us debate about the exact numbers. Here are the election results of 1932:

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - Hitlerbewegung (NSDAP)    37,3 %  Nationalist Socialist Antisemites
Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (SPD)    21,6 % Socialists
Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands (KPD)    14,3 % Socialists
Deutsche Zentrumspartei (Zentrum)    12,4 % Catholic civically
Deutschnationale Volkspartei (DNVP)    5,9 % Nationalist Socialist Antisemites
Bayerische Volkspartei (BVP)    3,2 %  Civically
Deutsche Volkspartei (DVP)    1,2 %  Real liberal
Deutsche Staatspartei (DStP)    1,0 %  liberal perhaps a little bit leftist, but ok
Christlich-Sozialer Volksdienst (CSVD)    1,0 % protestant christian mixed up with socialism and nationalism
Reichspartei des deutschen Mittelstandes    0,4 % national liberal
Deutsche Bauernpartei (DBP)    0,4 % Farmer party
Landbund    0,3 %    rightwing farmer party
Deutsches Landvolk    0,3 % center Farmer Party
Reichspartei für Volksrecht und Aufwertung (Volksrechtpartei)    0,1 %    Anti inflation Party

If I have added the numbers rightly, the parties a sane person could vote for got under 20% of the whole votes.

I think I would have voted for DVP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_People%27s_Party

But they only got 1,2 % of the vote :-(

[muman613]

I found this entry on Wikipedias page on Hisler about his religious beliefs. It is very interesting and conflicts with the popular notion that he was an occultist or atheist...

Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments,[261] In private (not in public) Hitler made at least one attack against Catholicism that "resonated Streicher's contention that the Catholic establishment was allying itself with the Jews."[262] However, as Richard Steigmann-Gall points out when explaining the institutional particularities of religion in Nazi Germany; In Germany, a country in which the Catholic and the Protestant church are largely financed through a church tax collected by the state, Hitler (like Goebbels) never "actually left his church or refused to pay church taxes. In a nominal sense therefore [he] can be classified as Catholic."[263]

Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in Jesus Christ.[264] In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[265][266] His private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity.[267] However, in contrast to early Nazi ideologues, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or Ariosophy,[267] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[268][269] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[268][270] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.

Hitler believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence"—was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization. In Hitler's conception Jews were enemies of all civilization.

Hitler, despite his native Catholicism, favored aspects of Protestantism if they were more amenable to his own objectives. At the same time, he adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.[271][272]

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness..."[273]


I think the man was messed up no matter what religion he professed. He had no morals and would seem to be a descendant of Amalek himself. Amalek believed that he had a job to make life miserable for the Jews. Hisler made this his same goal.

muman613