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Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« on: October 10, 2008, 01:23:40 PM »
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 Is Sarah Palin Jewish?
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Yes, based on Jewish tradition that makes one "Jewish" if born to a mother of Jewish ethnic decent, although touting at least a mask of evangelical christianity. IsraelNews.com was most upset about her relationship with Jews for Jesus, see
http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3005 .

Sarah Palins mother (Sally Sheigam) was of Lithuanian Jewish heritage and so were both of her mothers parents (Louise Sheigam and Shmuel Sheigam). Her father Chuck Heath can also be considered of Jewish blood because his mother, Beatrice Coleman, was of Jewish decent. Further information on Governor Palin's ancestors can easily be found in the vital records in the Lithuanian State Historical Archives in Vilnius. http://www.archyvai.lt/ The Archives holds birth, marriage, divorce, and death records for the Lithuanian Jewish community from 1851 until 1915 when the Jews were required to leave the country because of World War I. They are in 18th Century Cyrillic script and Yiddish Many of these records include the mother's maiden name and town of registration.


Although she states that she was not a supporter of Pat Buchanan's presidential bid in 2000, Pat Buchanan has claimed that Palin did support him, and ABC News captured video of her welcoming Mr Buchanan to Alaska while wearing a Buchanan pin. Buchanan, a very conservative Catholic, is not popular among most Jewish voters due to his far right-wing views on the relationship between church and state, his occasional positive statements on the Nazi movement, and his lack of support for Israel (usually based upon principle, not clear anti-semitism). Some, including the McCain campain, claim that in 2000 Palin supported Steve Forbes.

Palin has three flags in her office: the flag of Alaska, the flag of the United States, and the flag of Israel. Two of Palin's prominent Alaska Jewish allies, Rabbi Joseph Greenberg and businessman Terry Gorlick, told Politico they consider her a friend of the Jews...see http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3005

In addition, when she ran for governor, the
Republican Jewish Coalition Executive Director Matt Brooks issued the following statement today: "By choosing Governor Sarah Palin as the vice-presidential candidate, John McCain once again demonstrates good judgment and a commitment to challenging politics-as-usual. As governor of Alaska, Palin has enjoyed a strong working relationship with Alaska's Jewish community.

see http://www.ozaukeecountyrepublicans.com/cm/pdfs/news/RJC%20Applauds%20McCain%20Pick%20of%20Palin%20as%20VP.pdf

see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2072808/posts

see http://www.vosizneias.com/19873/2008/08/31/alaska-chabad-rabbi-sarah-palin-a-great-friend-the-jewish-community/

see http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/36429/What_They_Stopped_Me_From_Saying_Sarah_Palin.html
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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 01:36:01 PM »
I would not be surprised if this were true (that she has some Jewish blood). I think that she does look Jewish.

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 01:37:04 PM »
I would not be surprised if this were true (that she has some Jewish blood). I think that she does look Jewish.

How does someone look Jewish?

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 01:38:07 PM »
I agree, how does someone look Jewish?

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 01:43:15 PM »
Yes, of course, there are Jewish looks. Jewish people have the same DNA. I am not so good at telling Sephardic Jews apart from other similar looking people (a good rule of thumb though is if you are not sure whether thia is a Jew or an Arab, look in their eyes: Jews' eyes look intelligent  :) ), but Ashkenazi Jews are easier for me to recognze.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 01:48:34 PM »
Yes, of course, there are Jewish looks. Jewish people have the same DNA. I am not so good at telling Sefardic Jews apart from other similar looking people (a good rule of thumb though is if you are not sure whether thia is a Jew or an Arab, look in their eyes: Jews' eyes look intelligent  :) ), but Ashkenazi Jews are easier for me to recognze.

Jews are not a race, they come in every shape and form.

fat, skinny, tall, short, blue eyed, brown eyed, green eyed, blonde haired, brown haired, white skin, olive skin, green skin

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 02:46:52 PM »
Yes, of course, there are Jewish looks. Jewish people have the same DNA. I am not so good at telling Sefardic Jews apart from other similar looking people (a good rule of thumb though is if you are not sure whether thia is a Jew or an Arab, look in their eyes: Jews' eyes look intelligent  :) ), but Ashkenazi Jews are easier for me to recognze.

Jews are not a race, they come in every shape and form.

fat, skinny, tall, short, blue eyed, brown eyed, green eyed, blonde haired, brown haired, white skin, olive skin, green skin

Jews sure are a race. They are as much of a race (or ethnicity, if you will) as the English, the French, the Danes, the Poles, etc., etc... There have been NUMEROUS DNA studies proving this. In fact, Jews are even more homogeneous than other ethnicities. They come from the same stock of male genes, just as the Bible tells us, with a somewhat wider variety of the female genes. Please google this if you don't believe me. For example, the Oppenheim studies. Jewish common genetic ancestry is today proven to be a scientific fact. Blue eyes and fair hair are a part of the original Jewish phenotype as much as the much more common brown hair and eyes. The reason that there are more fair Jews in some regions than others, also the reason Sephardic Jews look somewhat different (darker) than the Ashkenazi Jews is the natural selection phenomenon called "genetic drift." Google it as well.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 02:53:00 PM »
Yes, of course, there are Jewish looks. Jewish people have the same DNA. I am not so good at telling Sefardic Jews apart from other similar looking people (a good rule of thumb though is if you are not sure whether thia is a Jew or an Arab, look in their eyes: Jews' eyes look intelligent  :) ), but Ashkenazi Jews are easier for me to recognze.

Jews are not a race, they come in every shape and form.

fat, skinny, tall, short, blue eyed, brown eyed, green eyed, blonde haired, brown haired, white skin, olive skin, green skin

Jews sure are a race. They are as much of a race (or ethnicity, if you will) as the English, the French, the Danes, the Poles, etc., etc... There have been NUMEROUS DNA studies proving this. In fact, Jews are even more homogeneous than other ethnicities. They come from the same stock of male genes, just as the Bible tells us, with a somewhat wider variety of the female genes. Please google this if you don't believe me. For example, the Oppenheim studies. Jewish common genetic ancestry is today proven to be a scientific fact. Blue eyes and fair hair are a part of the original Jewish phenotype as much as the much more common brown hair and eyes. The reason that there are more fair Jews in some regions than others, also the reason Sefardic Jews look somewhat different (darker) than the Ashkenazi Jews is the natural selection phenomenon called "genetic drift." Google it as well.

Jews may have common ancestery by ethnic background, but Jews are not a race, perhaps you could see the Hebrews or Israelites are a ethnic group which consist of a majority of Jews. Judaism is a religion. That's like someone saying "I'm from the catholic race".

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 02:59:57 PM »
Jews are imo really special. They are neither race, but they are nor only a religion. They sit between all chairs. If you would replace the word "race" by "nation" I would fully agree. Because a race nobody is able to join.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 03:03:47 PM »
Yes, of course, there are Jewish looks. Jewish people have the same DNA. I am not so good at telling Sefardic Jews apart from other similar looking people (a good rule of thumb though is if you are not sure whether thia is a Jew or an Arab, look in their eyes: Jews' eyes look intelligent  :) ), but Ashkenazi Jews are easier for me to recognze.

Jews are not a race, they come in every shape and form.

fat, skinny, tall, short, blue eyed, brown eyed, green eyed, blonde haired, brown haired, white skin, olive skin, green skin

Jews sure are a race. They are as much of a race (or ethnicity, if you will) as the English, the French, the Danes, the Poles, etc., etc... There have been NUMEROUS DNA studies proving this. In fact, Jews are even more homogeneous than other ethnicities. They come from the same stock of male genes, just as the Bible tells us, with a somewhat wider variety of the female genes. Please google this if you don't believe me. For example, the Oppenheim studies. Jewish common genetic ancestry is today proven to be a scientific fact. Blue eyes and fair hair are a part of the original Jewish phenotype as much as the much more common brown hair and eyes. The reason that there are more fair Jews in some regions than others, also the reason Sefardic Jews look somewhat different (darker) than the Ashkenazi Jews is the natural selection phenomenon called "genetic drift." Google it as well.

Just because Catholicism is a religion and Judaism is a religion doesn't mean that one could use this comparison as a valid analogy. Go argue with genetic scientists that Jews are not an ethnicity. Don't forget though to show them your own scientific data, because the discussion might quickly get very technical. Read up on different Y-chromosome haplotypes, it'll be useful.

Jews may have common ancestery by ethnic background, but Jews are not a race, perhaps you could see the Hebrews or Israelites are a ethnic group which consist of a majority of Jews. Judaism is a religion. That's like someone saying "I'm from the catholic race".

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 03:05:28 PM »
Aren't all of our ancestors Jewish?
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 03:07:06 PM »
Aren't all of our ancestors Jewish?

No
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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 03:07:12 PM »
It isn't possible to "look" Jewish since a Jew can be a member of any race or background.  A Jewish "look" is a stereotype.  I do not have a big nose, thanks.  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2008, 03:09:00 PM »
Jews are imo really special. They are neither race, but they are nor only a religion. They sit between all chairs. If you would replace the word "race" by "nation" I would fully agree. Because a race nobody is able to join.

Yes, you can join. A family could adopt a child. A nation could give citizenship to a stranger. A gentile could similarly join the Jewish nation/race (however you call it) by converting. A couple of generations down the line his descendents would be fully assimilated. Arguing that the Jewish people are not genetically related is highly preposterous and antisemitic. This does not change the fact that the Jews are also (as well, in addition) a religion. It is because Judaism is a religion, it has been possible for strangers to join the Jewish nation in the millenia before Israel was restored.

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 03:09:55 PM »
Aren't all of our ancestors Jewish?

Not really, there are descendants of others besides Abraham. The Jewish people are primarily descendants of our patriarch Abraham. And it is true that the Jewish genes are scientifically proven. There are genetic diseases which only affect Ashkenazic Jews.

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2008, 03:10:52 PM »
It isn't possible to "look" Jewish since a Jew can be a member of any race or background.  A Jewish "look" is a stereotype.  I do not have a big nose, thanks.  ;D

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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2008, 03:13:41 PM »
Well, this one doesn't look Jewish:



This one doesn't look jewish:

http://www.jewishledger.com/articles/2007/07/24/news/on_the_cover/news03.txt


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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2008, 03:14:03 PM »
Jews are imo really special. They are neither race, but they are nor only a religion. They sit between all chairs. If you would replace the word "race" by "nation" I would fully agree. Because a race nobody is able to join.

Yes, you can join. A family could adopt a child. A nation could give citizenship to a stranger. A gentile could similarly join the Jewish nation/race (however you call it) by converting. A couple of generations down the line his descendents would be fully assimilated. Arguing that the Jewish people are not genetically related is highly preposterous and antisemitic. This does not change the fact that the Jews are also (as well, in addition) a religion. It is because Judaism is a religion, it has been possible for strangers to join the Jewish nation in the millenia before Israel was restored.

I agree  :)
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Re: Are Sarah Palins ancestors Jewish
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2008, 03:27:24 PM »
Jews are imo really special. They are neither race, but they are nor only a religion. They sit between all chairs. If you would replace the word "race" by "nation" I would fully agree. Because a race nobody is able to join.

Yes, you can join. A family could adopt a child. A nation could give citizenship to a stranger. A gentile could similarly join the Jewish nation/race (however you call it) by converting. A couple of generations down the line his descendents would be fully assimilated. Arguing that the Jewish people are not genetically related is highly preposterous and antisemitic. This does not change the fact that the Jews are also (as well, in addition) a religion. It is because Judaism is a religion, it has been possible for strangers to join the Jewish nation in the millenia before Israel was restored.

Ok look, my dad was born Jewish, my mom is a German, she is German ethnic background and she converted to Judaism, try telling my mom she's a Jew by race, she practices Judaism but that doesn't mean she's of the "Jewish Race".

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2008, 03:29:27 PM »
I'm confused... :eat:
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2008, 03:32:26 PM »
I'm confused... :eat:

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2008, 03:33:15 PM »
Was Noah a Jew?
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2008, 03:38:07 PM »
Noah was a gentile.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2008, 03:41:10 PM »
Noah was a gentile.


Yeah!!! At least there is one famous gentile in the OT.

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2008, 07:48:06 PM »
Noah was a gentile.


Yeah!!! At least there is one famous gentile in the OT.



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