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On voting in a church
q_q_:
--- Quote from: bullcat3 on November 03, 2008, 11:47:40 AM ---Well q_q_, the first time I heard ever heard this issue brought up, I understood that the person objected to the polling place because of how it would appear if they came out of a church. It, also, was my understanding that they felt they shouldn't be exposed to any aspect of the church and it's influence.
Having reached the age I am and being secure in my faith...I really couldn't understand that line of thinking.
Your explanation though...made sense to me and helped me to understand the feelings of this other person.
So I am sorry that it was not obvious to me...but it wasn't.
I would object to voting in a mosque and maybe some other places...but I wouldn't whine about it. I would vote by absentee ballot.
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I was certainly not explaining the feelings or thinking of muman..
I think your impression of his "reasons"/feelings are correct..
I was ignoring him (notice I didn't quote him), and I was dealing with the issue he "brought up" about entering a church.
muman613:
--- Quote from: bullcat3 on November 03, 2008, 11:47:40 AM ---Well q_q_, the first time I heard ever heard this issue brought up, I understood that the person objected to the polling place because of how it would appear if they came out of a church. It, also, was my understanding that they felt they shouldn't be exposed to any aspect of the church and it's influence.
Having reached the age I am and being secure in my faith...I really couldn't understand that line of thinking.
Your explanation though...made sense to me and helped me to understand the feelings of this other person.
So I am sorry that it was not obvious to me...but it wasn't.
I would object to voting in a mosque and maybe some other places...but I wouldn't whine about it. I would vote by absentee ballot.
--- End quote ---
bullcat3,
This has nothing to do with personal feelings about the church. I have simply stated that the Halacha concerning this has been decided and any Jew who wants to follow the Halacha {Jewish law} should do what the Rabbis suggest.
There is the issue of Chillul Hashem which would be seen when a religious Jew is seen in a church which contains imagery and other things which goes against the beliefs of a Jew. The concept of Chillul Hashem seems to be beyond some of the people reading this here but there are good explanations of this on the internet. Chillul Hashem is a transgression which occurs when a person observes a Jew violating Halacha. Like if a non-Jew observes a Jew who is obviously observant going into a McDonalds and ordering a cheeseburger {Chas Veshalom}. This causes a degradation of G-ds name in this world.
The issue is not whether I like or don't like the church. The issue is that the church represents that which is not in line with Jewish belief.
muman613
PS: Notice I ignored q_q_ in my post... And q_q_ is not qualified to speak on my behalf.
AsheDina:
q_q is like a mentor to me. He was referring to me. I just dont have any issues with churches, I am also not Orthodox. I just dont have issues with it, and there are things that are more major to me. My friends lots of them being full on Christians, have NEVER pushed me into their doctrines or beliefs.
I WILL SAY that when a Jewish person is SINCERELY wanting to totally fulfill the will of HaShem, he/she NEEDS to practice Judaism all the way, or none at all, so in this I am in agreement with Muman & q_q.
I also believe that ALL Jews NEED to be RESTORED to Torah and Judaism TOTALLY, & this takes time. This is why I am 100% AGAINST ANY type of 'missionizing' I feel that Jews need to HELP Jews go BACK to G-d, and Christians NEED to pull Christians BACK to Christianity.
I am doing what I can, as a person who has TOTAL and COMPLETE faith in HaShem. 100%.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: AsheDina on November 03, 2008, 06:34:31 PM --- q_q is like a mentor to me. He was referring to me. I just dont have any issues with churches, I am also not Orthodox. I just dont have issues with it, and there are things that are more major to me. My friends lots of them being full on Christians, have NEVER pushed me into their doctrines or beliefs.
I WILL SAY that when a Jewish person is SINCERELY wanting to totally fulfill the will of HaShem, he/she NEEDS to practice Judaism all the way, or none at all, so in this I am in agreement with Muman & q_q.
I also believe that ALL Jews NEED to be RESTORED to Torah and Judaism TOTALLY, & this takes time. This is why I am 100% AGAINST ANY type of 'missionizing' I feel that Jews need to HELP Jews go BACK to G-d, and Christians NEED to pull Christians BACK to Christianity.
I am doing what I can, as a person who has TOTAL and COMPLETE faith in HaShem. 100%.
--- End quote ---
You are an inspiration to dozens.
I'm honoured that you say i'm like a mentor to you
AsheDina:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on November 03, 2008, 07:13:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: AsheDina on November 03, 2008, 06:34:31 PM --- q_q is like a mentor to me. He was referring to me. I just dont have any issues with churches, I am also not Orthodox. I just dont have issues with it, and there are things that are more major to me. My friends lots of them being full on Christians, have NEVER pushed me into their doctrines or beliefs.
I WILL SAY that when a Jewish person is SINCERELY wanting to totally fulfill the will of HaShem, he/she NEEDS to practice Judaism all the way, or none at all, so in this I am in agreement with Muman & q_q.
I also believe that ALL Jews NEED to be RESTORED to Torah and Judaism TOTALLY, & this takes time. This is why I am 100% AGAINST ANY type of 'missionizing' I feel that Jews need to HELP Jews go BACK to G-d, and Christians NEED to pull Christians BACK to Christianity.
I am doing what I can, as a person who has TOTAL and COMPLETE faith in HaShem. 100%.
--- End quote ---
You are an inspiration to dozens.
I'm honoured that you say i'm like a mentor to you
--- End quote ---
q_q, the reason that I really like you, is because you really are pretty much Torah, all Torah & nothing but Torah. Jews have to RETURN TO TORAH not to lots of other teachers. Most of the time, you point to TORAH. That is the ONLY necessity to bring Jews back. The POWER is in TORAH. :)
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